Stan Shuffet Challenge

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(((Satori))) said:
Perhaps now you can understand that one can take a side between opposing views and still remain credible.
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I never said anything different from that. The problem I have is with those who maliciously slander Stan such as Lou has repeatedly done. I have a problem with those, who have little to zero factual knowledge of the system, attempt to debunk the system with false information. You may know nothing about the system and if you want to simply state, in your opinion, the system can never work, that's fine. But when you then go in and attempt to make Technical arguments and offer analysis that is based purely upon opinion and shows complete lack of factual knowledge, I have a problem with it.

So John Schmidt says Stevie isn't using the system. Stevie says he's using it on every shot. What kind of moron would believe John over Stevie?. When I stand at Stan's table and watch him sink hundreds of balls behind the curtain, and experience it by doing it myself, whom should I believe? When I watch 17 year old Landon Shuffett beat one of the greatest players of all time at Tunica, Earl Strickland, who should I believe? When I cannot see one naysayer offer one piece of factual information showing just one shot that can't be made using the system, who should I believe?
 
There is only one place you can stand to perceive both lines at the SAME time. See if this video helps to explain it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAKAP8iR3Lw

ronscuba said:
I bought and watched the 2nd DVD.

2 questions:

1. Standing behind the CB, Stans says see the CB edge to A line, see the CB center to OB edge line, but you don't stand on either line. Where do you stand ? 1/2 way in between those perceived lines ?

2. Manual pivot seems to be a measurable and repeatable way to pivot a precise amount. Pro One advocates a standing air pivot or standing sweep. The Pro One way to pivot seems to be less precise and use more player feel to determine how much to pivot ?
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ronscuba said:
I bought and watched the 2nd DVD.

2 questions:

1. Standing behind the CB, Stans says see the CB edge to A line, see the CB center to OB edge line, but you don't stand on either line. Where do you stand ? 1/2 way in between those perceived lines ?

2. Manual pivot seems to be a measurable and repeatable way to pivot a precise amount. Pro One advocates a standing air pivot or standing sweep. The Pro One way to pivot seems to be less precise and use more player feel to determine how much to pivot ?
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Regarding number 2. I still manually pivot on every shot for that reason. It is just easier for me, and I can do it so no one can even tell I am doing it if I want to.
 
As you can see, this is yet another example of what aiming-related threads do on the Main forum.

I like how it was done, too -- by a shill AZB account posting a link (and nothing more) to start the thread.

John Belushi-esque "Foot Fight!!!" anyone?

-Sean <-- wasn't a fan initially of moving aiming topics away from the Main forum, but wow, definitely does think now it was the best move ever by the admins
 
This really is an interesting argument. Pool is a cause and effect, results based game. If people tried any aiming system and could not make balls, then they would stop using it. I see people argue that some blindly defend the system that requires "faith" to believe in. People who defend it do so because they use it with results that are better than what they were previously able to attain. That in itself should suggest that there is some validity to the system when enough people are still using it after all this time.
 
ronscuba said:
I bought and watched the 2nd DVD.

2 questions:

1. Standing behind the CB, Stans says see the CB edge to A line, see the CB center to OB edge line, but you don't stand on either line. Where do you stand ? 1/2 way in between those perceived lines ?

2. Manual pivot seems to be a measurable and repeatable way to pivot a precise amount. Pro One advocates a standing air pivot or standing sweep. The Pro One way to pivot seems to be less precise and use more player feel to determine how much to pivot ?
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1. You position your head where your personal vision system can see both. That varies slightly depending upon the shot set up and distance between the cb and on. There is definitely a slight offset, right or left, depending upon whether a or c is used. Stan has produced several YouTube videos covering this in substantial detail.

2. Pro One is slightly less precise. You train yourself to simulate the half tip pivot with your move into the cb. The advantage is you eliminate the half tip mechanical pivot. If you watch a couple of Stan's more recent YouTube videos, he is now playing 100% with CTE and a half tip mechanical pivot.

To be clear, learning CTE/Pro One isn't easy. Anyone who thinks they are going to watch the videos and in a few hours shot at pro speed are sorely mistaken. The game of Pool isn't easy. Show me someone who picks up a cue for the first time and is ruining racks in a week. All I've read said it takes 10,000 hours of practice minimum to hope to reach pro speed. Stan's system isn't some magic formula that reduces that to two weeks. It won't overcome a crooked stroke. It won't eliminate countless hours of practice. IMHO, it is simply a system that will help you improve faster and be more consistent if you dedicate the time to it.
 
sfleinen said:
As you can see, this is yet another example of what aiming-related threads do on the Main forum.

I like how it was done, too -- by a shill AZB account posting a link (and nothing more) to start the thread.

John Belushi-esque "Foot Fight!!!" anyone?

-Sean <-- wasn't a fan initially of moving aiming topics away from the Main forum, but wow, definitely does think now it was the best move ever by the admins
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What did it do Sean?. Did someone point a gun at your head and make you click on the thread and read it? Perhaps you should start an interesting thread such as which chalk is best, which cue maker you prefer or whether everyone should use ld shafts or not. Those would be unique and interesting.

Or perhaps you should start a thread about how you're going to prove the math and then do nothing with it. Now that would really be interesting to read no matter what forum it's posted in. :smile:
 
To your last point, yes learning CTE isn't very easy. It took me 4 straight hours on the table just to finally see the perceptions. Having said that I am glad I did it. I am guessing the initial stages is where most people give up.

nobcitypool said:
1. You position your head where your personal vision system can see both. That varies slightly depending upon the shot set up and distance between the cb and on. There is definitely a slight offset, right or left, depending upon whether a or c is used. Stan has produced several YouTube videos covering this in substantial detail.

2. Pro One is slightly less precise. You train yourself to simulate the half tip pivot with your move into the cb. The advantage is you eliminate the half tip mechanical pivot. If you watch a couple of Stan's more recent YouTube videos, he is now playing 100% with CTE and a half tip mechanical pivot.

To be clear, learning CTE/Pro One isn't easy. Anyone who thinks they are going to watch the videos and in a few hours shot at pro speed are sorely mistaken. The game of Pool isn't easy. Show me someone who picks up a cue for the first time and is ruining racks in a week. All I've read said it takes 10,000 hours of practice minimum to hope to reach pro speed. Stan's system isn't some magic formula that reduces that to two weeks. It won't overcome a crooked stroke. It won't eliminate countless hours of practice. IMHO, it is simply a system that will help you improve faster and be more consistent if you dedicate the time to it.
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nobcitypool said:
What did it do Sean?. Did someone point a gun at your head and make you click on the thread and read it? Perhaps you should start an interesting thread such as which chalk is best, which cue maker you prefer or whether everyone should use ld shafts or not. Those would be unique and interesting.

Or perhaps you should start a thread about how you're going to prove the math and then do nothing with it. Now that would really be interesting to read no matter what forum it's posted in. :smile:
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You haven't been playing long enough to give any views on anything.
The way you write and treat people is actually making me sick.;)

BTW...leave this Sean guy alone before he makes you look like the poster boy for STUPID.:smile:
 
nobcitypool said:
What did it do Sean?. Did someone point a gun at your head and make you click on the thread and read it? Perhaps you should start an interesting thread such as which chalk is best, which cue maker you prefer or whether everyone should use ld shafts or not. Those would be unique and interesting.

Or perhaps you should start a thread about how you're going to prove the math and then do nothing with it. Now that would really be interesting to read no matter what forum it's posted in. :smile:
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I'm talking about precisely *this* behavior, nob. Thank you for your Exhibit A of what I'm talking about.

Every forum -- no matter the subject -- has its "conniption" topic that needs special treatment, which in some cases needs to be cordoned-off into its own little corner. With pool, apparently, that conniption topic is aiming.

And lookie, being it's you with your typical lashing-out behavior, you couldn't resist putting your boxing gloves on and jabbing at me, right? What's hilarious, is that EVERYONE who knows about that thread, also knows the reason why I can't attend to it right now, with the time of the year it is at my employer.

But oh gosh, since you said so, I'll get right on it! <shivers at the notion that "nobcitypool" is putting pressure on me. Such an important person is on me about this project -- oh my!>

-Sean
 
Thanks for the expected response Sean, let me offer Exhibit B of why you're so predictable and arrogant. Nice excuse, wonder which dog will have eaten your homework 6 months or a year from now as that thread drops to oblivion? LMAO

I didn't start this thread nor did I start the John vs Lou thread. Unlike you, I don't consider myself the appointed one and simply post on the threads I find interesting wherever they're located. If I don't find them interesting or appropriate, I don't open them or don't bother posting. You should try that some time Sean, it is liberating.

BTW, "lashing out"? Lashing out would indicate confrontational, name calling behavior. Where do you see that at Sean? If I counter Lou and his cronies remarks with factual points, that's lashing out? I guess it is when you, the mighty one, decides it is so. Sorry dude, you're obviously very impressed with yourself but you've failed to impress me in the least.

sfleinen said:
I'm talking about precisely *this* behavior, nob. Thank you for your Exhibit A of what I'm talking about.

Every forum -- no matter the subject -- has its "conniption" topic that needs special treatment, which in some cases needs to be cordoned-off into its own little corner. With pool, apparently, that conniption topic is aiming.

And lookie, being it's you with your typical lashing-out behavior, you couldn't resist putting your boxing gloves on and jabbing at me, right? What's hilarious, is that EVERYONE who knows about that thread, also knows the reason why I can't attend to it right now, with the time of the year it is at my employer.

But oh gosh, since you said so, I'll get right on it! <shivers at the notion that "nobcitypool" is putting pressure on me. Such an important person is on me about this project -- oh my!>

-Sean
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Lou has sliced and diced Stan's spokes model. thou not a real brand ambassador John tried his best. At this point Stan's brand has taken a severe hit. Is there an aiming system that works for all people ?
 
nobcitypool said:
Thanks for the expected response Sean, let me offer Exhibit B of why you're so predictable and arrogant. Nice excuse, wonder which dog will have eaten your homework 6 months or a year from now as that thread drops to oblivion? LMAO

I didn't start this thread nor did I start the John vs Lou thread. Unlike you, I don't consider myself the appointed one and simply post on the threads I find interesting wherever they're located. If I don't find them interesting or appropriate, I don't open them or don't bother posting. You should try that some time Sean, it is liberating.

BTW, "lashing out"? Lashing out would indicate confrontational, name calling behavior. Where do you see that at Sean? If I counter Lou and his cronies remarks with factual points, that's lashing out? I guess it is when you, the mighty one, decides it is so. Sorry dude, you're obviously very impressed with yourself but you've failed to impress me in the least.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=G4L0VaEsyyY

"Nob! What you doin' with all this hostility, man!"

I just shake my head. Where does all that anger come from?

BTW: if you were trying to get my gourd, try again.

-Sean
 
nobcitypool said:
1. You position your head where your personal vision system can see both. That varies slightly depending upon the shot set up and distance between the cb and on. There is definitely a slight offset, right or left, depending upon whether a or c is used. Stan has produced several YouTube videos covering this in substantial detail.

2. Pro One is slightly less precise. You train yourself to simulate the half tip pivot with your move into the cb. The advantage is you eliminate the half tip mechanical pivot. If you watch a couple of Stan's more recent YouTube videos, he is now playing 100% with CTE and a half tip mechanical pivot.

To be clear, learning CTE/Pro One isn't easy. Anyone who thinks they are going to watch the videos and in a few hours shot at pro speed are sorely mistaken. The game of Pool isn't easy. Show me someone who picks up a cue for the first time and is ruining racks in a week. All I've read said it takes 10,000 hours of practice minimum to hope to reach pro speed. Stan's system isn't some magic formula that reduces that to two weeks. It won't overcome a crooked stroke. It won't eliminate countless hours of practice. IMHO, it is simply a system that will help you improve faster and be more consistent if you dedicate the time to it.
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Wtf is a personal vision system? Oh it's your eyes!!!:killingme:
 
sfleinen said:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=G4L0VaEsyyY

"Nob! What you doin' with all this hostility, man!"

I just shake my head. Where does all that anger come from?

BTW: if you were trying to get my gourd, try again.

-Sean
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Don't flatter yourself Sean, you're nowhere near that important to me. You're like John Schmidt telling people he knows better than Stevie Moore about what aiming system Stevie Moore is using. You've never met me but you know I'm angry. Oops, I forgot, you're the omnipotent one, you see all, know all.
 
Are we still talking about aiming? I know we can't have a thread talking about aiming on the Main Forum, but can we have a thread talking about talking about aiming?

I for one, think the mods should make a new sub-forum. This forum would be the new landing place for any discussion related to the discussion of the merits of allowing conversation about aiming in the Main Forum. This would become our very own Almost talking about but not quite talking about Aiming - purgatory. Here is where any hint of a possible discussion of, or related to, the possibility of a discussion of Aiming on the Main Forum would be sent not to die or to live per se, but just be.

All in favor say aye.
 
nobcitypool said:
Don't flatter yourself Sean, you're nowhere near that important to me. You're like John Schmidt telling people he knows better than Stevie Moore about what aiming system Stevie Moore is using. You've never met me but you know I'm angry. Oops, I forgot, you're the omnipotent one, you see all, know all.
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Hoo-boy, now I'm being compared to John Schmidt, but yet "I'm nowhere near that important to nobbie."

This is really getting entertaining.

-Sean <-- man, I guess he told me, didn't he?
 
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