So is there any knew findings about pro1 Stan that you have come across lately?
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I was just wondering if the alignments are subconsciously engraved on your brain nowStan that you don't need to consciously pick up the lines to make the shots but can fall back on them consciously when really needed?
Timothy, The system is complete and has been for a few years.
It is all over!
My greatest understanding and perhaps the very last piece of the puzzle execution-wise is that manual pivoting can become stronger than a race horse. In other words, I can be totally natural with the pivot because I know the perceptions when in full stance....so, I have combined the sweeps and the pivots in a way that Zi once thought was never possible.
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Do you have a youtube video on this to help me understand exactly what you are saying?
Would that mean that CB edge to OB edge, A, B, or C & 1/8 with a thick or thin 'move' in either direction is all that is needed?
I would find that hard to believe but maybe that is because I've alway shot with english & not a center cue ball hit.
With pro1 I can shoot any shot with English if i so desire. A center cue ball hit is where the system starts you at which in my mind is a bonus because i know i am sitting on the shot line that will make the ball with no english. so adding english from that shot line makes things easier for me.because i am always starting from the shot line, get it?
added- all i post is from my own experience and my opinions.
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Yes, my FULL CIRCLE videos can do just that. I think there are 4 of them.
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ok I will have a look at them.
I went back and looked at the CTE Perception 2 video, I remember watching that awhile back. So I decided to set up the shots and shoot them all as prescribed by Stan. Relative to Stan's perception, the shot furthest to the right was the most difficult. I easily shot it in the first time using CTE. That was CTE, ETA perception with a pivot to thin the shot. Then I tried shooting it with a Pro One pivot. I have to admit, my subconscious mind wouldn't let me move enough on the first couple of shots, I undercut by a diamond. I thought about it and realized what I was doing, then shot the shot without even thinking about the pocket and the cut. That one rattled out. Did it again, hit the shot.
But the fact is, despite some disbelief, all 5 of those shots go with ETA, CTE with a pivot to thin out the cut. You can prove it out with CTE and a mechanical pivot quite quickly. IMHO, that's a primary reason to learn CTE so you can test out shots, it is very objective. You can screw up some shots, especially ones that go against your previous experience, with Pro One when you don't trust the system and try to think your way through it versus just dropping into the shot as you normally do.
If those shots kind of stretch your beliefs, try putting the OB on the long rail second diamond, cut it in with the CB gradually moving out from the same rail at the second diamond of the other end. When you get over to the other side of the table, you'll swear you can't make that with ETA, CTE with a pivot to thin the cut. However, the increased distance between CB and OB (4 diamonds) makes a big difference.
But the fact is, despite some disbelief, all 5 of those shots go with ETA, CTE with a pivot to thin out the cut. You can prove it out with CTE and a mechanical pivot quite quickly. IMHO, that's a primary reason to learn CTE so you can test out shots, it is very objective. You can screw up some shots, especially ones that go against your previous experience, with Pro One when you don't trust the system and try to think your way through it versus just dropping into the shot as you normally do.
If those shots kind of stretch your beliefs, try putting the OB on the long rail second diamond, cut it in with the CB gradually moving out from the same rail at the second diamond of the other end. When you get over to the other side of the table, you'll swear you can't make that with ETA, CTE with a pivot to thin the cut. However, the increased distance between CB and OB (4 diamonds) makes a big difference.
Spot on Rick. I made an animated gif at the time, which showed the pivot was actually about 10 inches back from the bridge V, which moved a few mm during the pivot to accommodate the longer pivot.
Several of us at the time were saying that a longer pivot was required to make this type of long shot using CTE hence the close examination of the actual pivot.
I understand that , but my question was not about english, it was about 'CTE'.
But since we are talking from our individual experiences, I generally start out with an undercut for outside english & use a net bit of swerve & throw to put the ball inside the pocket. I start out with a bit more of an overcut to allow for the combined throw forces & try to keep the squirt/swerve at net zero.
But this is off topic since I don't use cte for this.
Actually, I wasn't referring to you either. You stated you couldn't understand the DVD. You stated you have doubts about CTE/Pro One. 2 to 4 weeks after I purchased the DVD and had spent quite a bit of time trying to get it, it was clear I didn't understand it and had my doubts as well. I'm thankful I had faith and stuck with it.
Thanks for the English lesson. You are correct. I'm getting old. Feel free to call me an idiot if you it makes you feel any better, I would beg Mr. Wilson's indifference on this one occasion.
Yes, good point Ron, I didn't clarify that, but it is often the case that incomplete explanations lead to wrong assumptions.
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My understanding is that the system takes you to a line of centers hit with the OB, not a contact that coincides with a stun shot.
Note that a stun shot contact can alter the path of the OB by 6 inches over an 8 foot shot for a slow versus hard hit.
Note that most shots would be undercut by varying degrees if the system takes one to the line of centers contact.
Getting to a line of centers contact aim would be very useful, but adjustments for variations in throw would be needed often.
Is the bold part why I miss more playing one pocket when rolling the slow ones?
I am aware of what I am doing. It is effortless. I have worked to put the system in place. The beauty of CTE is that one can know what to do visually and physically. That is what I have always wanted.......when you learn what to really do, the game gets easier.
Stan Shuffett
Yes, this is how I understand the system, and how I play it, and I don't have any shots that I have found that I can not make with the system. That being said, there are some adjustments of bridge length depending on how close the cue ball is to the OB.
Shooting center ball or with english is indifferent here. Once you get into the line of the shot by pivoting, you can adjust your cue and tip to play english just as you normally would. Of course, you would also have to make any small adjustments that you would normally make when playing english. CTE simply gets you into the line you would use with a center ball hit. Before I used CTE, I would orient myself into that line, and make adjustments for any deflection that was going to happen due to english. With CTE, you are in the line after the pivot, and make any normal adjustments you would make from there. It may sound like that would be hard to do, but it really is not.
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