Stance question

FranCrimi said:
I'm not sure how you could stay at the table longer than a couple of seconds standing like that without falling over. In order for your arm to come through without pulling it underneath your torso, which, later in the thread you wrote that you don't do, your upper body must be totally twisted.

If not, then you're not really standing the way you described. It's not unusual for a player to think they are doing something when they are actually doing something different. Happens all the time.
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Fran, thanks for this. Now I know what my problem is. It is supposed to be my body that is twisted and instead it is my mind. Now I gotta start over! :)

Hope all is well for you. It was 18 degrees here this morning so I feel like a New Yorker.
 
Jerry Forsyth said:
Fran, thanks for this. Now I know what my problem is. It is supposed to be my body that is twisted and instead it is my mind. Now I gotta start over! :)

Hope all is well for you. It was 18 degrees here this morning so I feel like a New Yorker.
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It was 2° here this morning, Jerry, with negative single-digits predicted for tonight. You ain't even close to being a New Yorker.

Man, I'm so done with this global warming stuff.
 
I like chicken wings too but not when playing pool!

The way you describe your stance, you likely have to shoot with your wing out. Lol.
 
Did you review the info I have posted in the past? You sound like you are willing to experiment & I feel very strongly that you are capable of adopting the classic snooker stance with ease. Once you feel the groove that it produces, you will wonder why pool players stand so wonky.
 
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I too recently bought Mark Wilson's book. Love the way his stance frees up my stroke, however I seem to have a lot more trouble with my aiming and ball pocketing with this stance versus my previous stance. Guess I have to keep up the good fight and stick with it.
 
Thanks Mosconiac...I did see your info and appreciate it very much. I agree with you about the snooker stance!!
 
Harness Horse said:
I too recently bought Mark Wilson's book. Love the way his stance frees up my stroke, however I seem to have a lot more trouble with my aiming and ball pocketing with this stance versus my previous stance. Guess I have to keep up the good fight and stick with it.
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Pulling my right foot back a bit makes sense to me, but he wants your feet at right angles, with your right foot perpendicular to the cue line and your left parallel to it. It feels absolutely crazy, like I'm going to fall over.
 
Ya know, Fran, you're probably right. I'm doing a terrible job explaining it. I should stop using my words. They always fail me. LOL
 
RichSchultz said:
Ya know, Fran, you're probably right. I'm doing a terrible job explaining it. I should stop using my words. They always fail me. LOL
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I hate my stance but with back and neck problems I am limited on what I can do while still trying to be decently comfortable at the table. They say my stance puts too much pressure on my knees with how I am bent, however when trying to extend my arms and spreading the legs a bit farther out possibly correct this, makes it extremely awkward to shoot.


Translation about my stance: IBFKED :o
 
Here's a frame I captured from a video of my wife's first lesson with me. Not perfect, but I think it could be refined into a decent snooker stance. I didn't do anything but give her the same info Fran gave me when I had a lesson with her. Then I threw the balls on the table and watched what came out of her naturally.

I feel she is standing a few inches too close to the shot and her right foot is angled out a bit too far. She could get her chin lower, but that may come in time. She's also gripping the cue too far back IMO, but that's a whole other issue. She has a nice relaxed grip, keeps her head down, and gets through the ball OK for a raw beginner. Right now her stroke timing basically sucks but I'll be working on that.

Any other observations that someone can make would be helpful, I'm certainly no expert. I just found it intriguing that even second-hand transmission of good fundamentals can lead to a good start compared to the crazy stances of some completely self-taught players I've watched.
 

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mosconiac said:
Search by my username with "stance" as keyword & you'll find a ton of info (as well as sfleinen's). If done correctly, there is no better stance than a "snooker" stance. They didn't evolve that way for no reason.
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Looks like 'stance' is the new 'aiming'.

I suggest you do a search somewhere on the term 'faulty logic'.

If someone were to opine that standing like Willie Mosconi is the key to
running hundreds, you would have a cow.

Dale(been there, done that, know better)
 
Sloppy Pockets said:
Here's a frame I captured from a video of my wife's first lesson with me. Not perfect, but I think it could be refined into a decent snooker stance. I didn't do anything but give her the same info Fran gave me when I had a lesson with her. Then I threw the balls on the table and watched what came out of her naturally.

I feel she is standing a few inches too close to the shot and her right foot is angled out a bit too far. She could get her chin lower, but that may come in time. She's also gripping the cue too far back IMO, but that's a whole other issue. She has a nice relaxed grip, keeps her head down, and gets through the ball OK for a raw beginner. Right now her stroke timing basically sucks but I'll be working on that.

Any other observations that someone can make would be helpful, I'm certainly no expert. I just found it intriguing that even second-hand transmission of good fundamentals can lead to a good start compared to the crazy stances of some completely self-taught players I've watched.
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She looks great at the table ---- much better than most beginners and many intermediate players I've come across. You do good work, and she takes direction well. (And thanks for the compliment.)
 
pdcue said:
Looks like 'stance' is the new 'aiming'.

I suggest you do a search somewhere on the term 'faulty logic'.

If someone were to opine that standing like Willie Mosconi is the key to
running hundreds, you would have a cow.

Dale(been there, done that, know better)
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Willie's stance wasn't bad. I don't think he was a big fan of 9 Ball, and certainly not of making long shots, as many of his time. He was a close-quarters kind of guy and his shooting style suited that.
 
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You would be the first to accuse me of faulty logic. Your presumption that (I stated) everyone that adopts a snooker stance will become the next Ronnie O'Sullivan is ridiculous. Will thoughtful experimentation with your stance improve your game, most certainly. Will it single-handedly launch your professional career, no.

To dismiss the snooker stance as snake-oil or favor of the month would be thoughtless. You wouldn't do that.
 
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Wonder why Alison ran over the entire WPBA field.

Wonder why Karen took over the tradition.

Wonder why Rempe & the Miz got run over by lower-tier players when they tried their hand at snooker.

You stick with close-minded negativity & boorish "logic"...I'll stick with those that get results.
 
mosconiac said:
Wonder why Alison ran over the entire WPBA field.

Wonder why Karen took over the tradition.

Wonder why Rempe & the Miz got run over by lower-tier players when they tried their hand at snooker.

You stick with close-minded negativity & boorish "logic"...I'll stick with those that get results.
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You seem to excell at unfounded assumptions and 'half-thinking'.

You might point to where I even hinted the "snooker" stance is flawed.

Snooker pros certainly do pot with impressive ability - it is not SOLELY due
to the angle of their feet...

Remember Steve Davis? As I recall, he won a frame or two.

Dale
 
FranCrimi said:
Willie's stance wasn't bad. I don't think he was a big fan of 9 Ball, and certainly not of making long shots, as many of his time. He was a close-quarters kind of guy and his shooting style suited that.
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Don't think for a minute Willie wasn't a tremendous shot maker.

The late George Rood, a top 9 Ball player of their time, who played both of
them told me the only reason Willie wasn't as good a shot maker as
Lassiter was because he didn't need to be.

Dale
 
pdcue said:
Don't think for a minute Willie wasn't a tremendous shot maker.

The late George Rood, a top 9 Ball player of their time, who played both of
them told me the only reason Willie wasn't as good a shot maker as
Lassiter was because he didn't need to be.

Dale
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I played Willie, too. He was a great 14.1 player who did not make the transition to 9 Ball well.
 
pdcue said:
You seem to excell at unfounded assumptions and 'half-thinking'.

You might point to where I even hinted the "snooker" stance is flawed.

Snooker pros certainly do pot with impressive ability - it is not SOLELY due
to the angle of their feet...

Remember Steve Davis? As I recall, he won a frame or two.

Dale
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Wow, you are the scud missile of higher thinking.

I said/you said something about "flawed"? I dunno what you are talking about.

That's some unstable thought processing there.

I think I'll leave you alone...I think you've had a bad week & need a hug...or a fifth.

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