Stan's Perception Curtain Video - My Version

Dan White

Dan White

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Hi guys. I'm sure some of you will go nuts over this. Making balls behind a curtain does not confirm that CTE is the reason those balls are going in. Maybe having a professional player behind the cue has something to do with it.

I know many of you won't believe this, but I am conceding that Stan may be using CTE to pocket these balls. How he does that is a mystery to even his supporters here (even though publicly they say they understand everything), and certainly to me.

I believe that any system that can't be properly explained probably has more going on than the proponents of the system realize or care to admit. I am not going to flat out conclude that CTE is BS. I just don't know. I do know that shooting balls under a curtain proves nothing and I am a little concerned that people new to the game will misunderstand that this system is so magical that you can pocket balls without even knowing where the pockets are. That's the only point of the video. Don't over analyze it.

https://youtu.be/_SFSkVlWjLA
 
Dan White said:
Hi guys. I'm sure some of you will go nuts over this. Making balls behind a curtain does not confirm that CTE is the reason those balls are going in. Maybe having a professional player behind the cue has something to do with it.

I know many of you won't believe this, but I am conceding that Stan may be using CTE to pocket these balls. How he does that is a mystery to even his supporters here (even though publicly they say they understand everything), and certainly to me.

I believe that any system that can't be properly explained probably has more going on than the proponents of the system realize or care to admit. I am not going to flat out conclude that CTE is BS. I just don't know. I do know that shooting balls under a curtain proves nothing and I am a little concerned that people new to the game will misunderstand that this system is so magical that you can pocket balls without even knowing where the pockets are. That's the only point of the video. Don't over analyze it.

https://youtu.be/_SFSkVlWjLA
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What I'm taking from this video: you are able to pocket shots after you have memorized the cuts. I can attest that shooting *random* shots under a curtain is very difficult to do just by eyeballing the shot. Stan has plenty of videos where he shows fairly random placing of balls. Stan is also willing to demonstrate curtain shots to anyone that wants to visit his facility. I haven't seen any "live" online demonstrations, but that would be interesting to see if it ever became a reality.

So really, the only clear "proof" that the system is being used to pocket balls and not shot setup is by either visiting Stan (or other CTE proponent) for a live demonstration, a live online stream, or realizing yourself through learning the system. I have one video out there where I put balls out in arbitrary locations, although I purposely try to show different perceptions and a couple banks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJyiZuQsDCU
 
mohrt said:
What I'm taking from this video: you are able to pocket shots after you have memorized the cuts. I can attest that shooting *random* shots under a curtain is very difficult to do just by eyeballing the shot. Stan has plenty of videos where he shows fairly random placing of balls. Stan is also willing to demonstrate curtain shots to anyone that wants to visit his facility. I haven't seen any "live" online demonstrations, but that would be interesting to see if it ever became a reality.

So really, the only clear "proof" that the system is being used to pocket balls and not shot setup is by either visiting Stan (or other CTE proponent) for a live demonstration, a live online stream, or realizing yourself through learning the system. I have one video out there where I put balls out in arbitrary locations, although I purposely try to show different perceptions and a couple banks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJyiZuQsDCU
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I agree, mostly. I can throw balls around the upper part of the table with the curtain up and at least come very close to pocketing the ball if not actually making it. As long as you can see the side rails, you have an idea of where the pocket is. I would expect a professional player could do it better than I no matter how he aims. I didn't reproduce a video that Stan didn't do. I reproduced one he did and that video used hole reinforcers.

Your bank shots in that video were nice, but again the point of all this is that you don't need CTE to perform the trick.

I'd be more impressed if you had a brand new player learn CTE and then be able to do the curtain trick. Anecdotal, yes, but still would be fun to see.
 
I'm still interested in seeing the following

1. Set up multiple shots, as random as possible. With the CB and OB on opposite ends of a raised curtain.
2. Acquire the visuals.
3. Have a friend lower the curtain so the OB is no longer in view.
4. Shoot the shot.

I'd also like to see a non CTE user try this as well.
 
Dan White said:
Your bank shots in that video were nice, but again the point of all this is that you don't need CTE to perform the trick.
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But that's just it, there is no trick. Yes I know you can fake the demonstrations by shooting setup shots and just shooting at a known landmark. It is also possible to just be a damn good shot by eyeballing the rails. The CTE videos are not doing that. The system is being used as described. If you really think it is a fake, I think that can be quickly overcome with a live demo.
 
BeiberLvr said:
I'm still interested in seeing the following

1. Set up multiple shots, as random as possible. With the CB and OB on opposite ends of a raised curtain.
2. Acquire the visuals.
3. Have a friend lower the curtain so the OB is no longer in view.
4. Shoot the shot.

I'd also like to see a non CTE user try this as well.
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Stan has one video out there doing this type of shot that I know of. He does go on to say that having the OB in your view is very helpful. And I agree, as I use the full-circle CTE method where the perception is double-checked (and if necessary tweaked) after you are down on the shot. Dropping a curtain in front of the OB just means you must get everything perfect the first time at ball address, and move in perfectly with no OB as a visual aid.
 
I will bet up to $1000 a shot ON Stan Shuffett doing randomly placed shots, directly to pockets AND bank shots against ANY LIVING HUMAN with a curtain in the way.

Let's see you duplicate the one where he banks ten balls both cross side and double banks placing the balls randomly.

The WHOLE point of doing the curtain shots isn't to TRICK anyone. It's to show that you can TAKE any shot and make it without using the pocket.

So Dan, if it's a trick and you THINK Stan could have done it before CTE then you should be willing to bet it now. OR pick ANY PRO you want and put them in the box.
 
It's funny you pick on the lowest hanging fruit.

Here is one with 15 balls placed with no reinforcers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1v49xzCKc4

Duplicate it - show us that you can make 15 balls placed in similar positions without a miss.

Ought to be easy for you since it's a "trick".
 

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Why are you so passive/aggressive Dan?

You say that there is nothing magical about CTE which implies that Stan said that it is.

First of all, no one ever said anything was "magical" about CTE. Secondly you're right that sufficiently advanced level players will be able to make balls without seeing the pocket to some degree.

But that's not the point. The point of the curtain demonstrations was that BY using CTE the shooter is almost guaranteed to be on the right aim.

As you show in your video you automatically go to whatever OBJECTIVE references you can find, shot 1, the rail, shot 2 half ball hit, shot 3 trial and error to find the aim spot. None of them were done with pure "feel".

So when you have an objective system like CTE the make percentage will be way higher. It's not a "trick" Dan, it's a demonstration. And you sir have NO CHANCE to duplicate all the demos Stan did because you haven't yet understood that it's not magic, it's a tool. And since you can't understand the tool and you DID NOT buy the dvd and work it on the table you don't know how it's applied and why CTE is so precise.
 
JB Cases said:
So Dan, if it's a trick and you THINK Stan could have done it before CTE then you should be willing to bet it now. OR pick ANY PRO you want and put them in the box.
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What does betting have to do with anything? Why is it always betting with you?

Don't over analyze the video, like I said originally. People who are new to the game could look at the curtain video and believe that it's such an amazing feat that CTE must be awesome. Maybe it is, but it is misleading someone who doesn't know much about anything to say this curtain demonstration (I won't call it a trick) proves anything.

I KNOW Stan could have done it before learning CTE because, well, I don't use CTE and I could do it, too. Also, Stan is a professional player and can make all kinds of shots that I'm sure I can't. That doesn't mean CTE works, and until someone has a clear explanation of the magic step (the one none of us really understands) then I have to remain a skeptic.
 
Dan White said:
What does betting have to do with anything? Why is it always betting with you?

Don't over analyze the video, like I said originally. People who are new to the game could look at the curtain video and believe that it's such an amazing feat that CTE must be awesome. Maybe it is, but it is misleading someone who doesn't know much about anything to say this curtain demonstration (I won't call it a trick) proves anything.

I KNOW Stan could have done it before learning CTE because, well, I don't use CTE and I could do it, too. Also, Stan is a professional player and can make all kinds of shots that I'm sure I can't. That doesn't mean CTE works, and until someone has a clear explanation of the magic step (the one none of us really understands) then I have to remain a skeptic.
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Unless you want to call Stan a liar, and state that he isn't using CTE in the video, then it does prove something. It proves that CTE will pocket the balls. So, yes, it is an amazing feat. Here is an aiming system, that when directions are followed, will pocket the balls.
 
mohrt said:
Stan has one video out there doing this type of shot that I know of. He does go on to say that having the OB in your view is very helpful. And I agree, as I use the full-circle CTE method where the perception is double-checked (and if necessary tweaked) after you are down on the shot. Dropping a curtain in front of the OB just means you must get everything perfect the first time at ball address, and move in perfectly with no OB as a visual aid.
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Probably not your intention, but one could read your post and think that having the OB in view during a sweep is necessary for making subconscious adjustments.

My only point was that by not seeing the OB, it limits what adjustments can be made.

I actually think that if CTE is done without any adjustments, then a CTE user would fair much better than someone using a different method in the test I've proposed.
 
Neil said:
Unless you want to call Stan a liar, and state that he isn't using CTE in the video, then it does prove something. It proves that CTE will pocket the balls. So, yes, it is an amazing feat. Here is an aiming system, that when directions are followed, will pocket the balls.
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...performed by a guy who admits he's been studying it for 20 years and is a professional player. I'm sure Stan thinks he is using CTE. I couldn't say one way or the other because the method is a bit shrouded in mystery. My other couple of videos of Stan's stroke show that there's more going on than maybe even Stan realizes.

The one video I just posted isn't meant to disprove anything. It is meant to provide some perspective for new players who don't know what they are really looking at. Nothing more than that.
 
BeiberLvr said:
I'm still interested in seeing the following

1. Set up multiple shots, as random as possible. With the CB and OB on opposite ends of a raised curtain.
2. Acquire the visuals.
3. Have a friend lower the curtain so the OB is no longer in view.
4. Shoot the shot.

I'd also like to see a non CTE user try this as well.
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I would still make quite a few shots. The ones i miss would still be relatively close to the pocket.
Visuals are key. The eyes lead and body follows. If we get a chance to meet up in Florida i would gladly give it a try.
 
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cookie man said:
I would still make quite a few shots. The ones i miss would still be relatively close to the pocket.
Visuals are key. The eyes lead and body follows. If we get a chance to meet up in Florida i would gladly give it a try.
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If we met up, I'd probably be more interested in just banging some around.
 
Dan White said:
Hi guys. I'm sure some of you will go nuts over this. Making balls behind a curtain does not confirm that CTE is the reason those balls are going in. Maybe having a professional player behind the cue has something to do with it.

I know many of you won't believe this, but I am conceding that Stan may be using CTE to pocket these balls. How he does that is a mystery to even his supporters here (even though publicly they say they understand everything), and certainly to me.

I believe that any system that can't be properly explained probably has more going on than the proponents of the system realize or care to admit. I am not going to flat out conclude that CTE is BS. I just don't know. I do know that shooting balls under a curtain proves nothing and I am a little concerned that people new to the game will misunderstand that this system is so magical that you can pocket balls without even knowing where the pockets are. That's the only point of the video. Don't over analyze it.

https://youtu.be/_SFSkVlWjLA
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Very misleading. You used hole reinforcers and admittedly practiced the shots and memorized aim points. The third shot you could have very easily used the shadow on the table after shooting the shot several times.
 
Dan White said:
...performed by a guy who admits he's been studying it for 20 years and is a professional player. I'm sure Stan thinks he is using CTE. I couldn't say one way or the other because the method is a bit shrouded in mystery. My other couple of videos of Stan's stroke show that there's more going on than maybe even Stan realizes.

The one video I just posted isn't meant to disprove anything. It is meant to provide some perspective for new players who don't know what they are really looking at. Nothing more than that.
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"I think"I am using CTE........What a joke! Lol. Haha

Stan Shuffett
 
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