State Championships: Why don't all states have them?

The following is the link to the Missouri State Tournament that I started to promote this year's event. All the aspects and requirements are listed therein as well as an entry form that can be printed out and sent it for competitors. One of the unique rules we do enforce is that you "MUST" be a Missouri resident. Each entrant is required to show a valid and current drivers license when they check-in for the tournament before they are allowed to compete.

Check out the thread even if you aren't a resident of Missouri. I honestly believe that the format brings forth a true and undeniable champion who most definately has earned his title justly.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=129207
 
Texas has a BCA State 8-ball Championships and we have a Texas Open 9-Ball tournament. The BCA one is restricted to only Texas BCA players and the Texas Open allows anyone to play.
 
Rhode Island has a state championship event in nine ball. It's called the Ocean State Championship and, I believe, it's a Joss tour event.
 
Arkansas State Champions

i4pool said:
Does anyone have a list of states which have State Championships? For 8-ball, 9-ball, or any? Just curious.

AFAIK, we don't have one here in California. I wish we did. Wouldn't it be great if every state had their own State Championship and then have one National event to name a "National Champion"? I know... I know... I'm just dreaming right. :)

For those states that do have State Championships, do you know what the entry requirements are? In other words, do you have to be a resident of that state? If so, for how long? Or could someone from a neighboring state theoretically win the State Championship where he does not reside? Are these events restricted to non-Pros?

And what governing body, if any, organizes these "state" events?

Lastly, did California ever have State Championships?


Lots of questions... thanks for listening. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this.



BTW, here's a list I have so far of states:

1. Arizona
2. Tennessee (used to)
3. Maryland
4. South Dakota
5. Iowa
6. Missouri (thx dgarfoot)
7. Virginia
8. Texas
9. Rhode Island


Regards,
Abe
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Arkansas has yearly sanctioned State Tournaments for 8-Ball, 9-Ball, and this past year had one pocket, not sure of requirements anymore.

Arkansas Pool Players Association

www.arkansaspool.com

David Harcrow
 
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Colorado has one but it's just self-proclaimed by the Colorado Cue Club. I'm glad that they do it though because no one else really was. I think it takes place in May and Van Boening has played in the last two, as well as Kirkwood and Bartrum. It's 9-ball and takes place on barboxes.

Colorado does not have a system though where a structure of tournaments would take place to lead to a state tournament. Too bad, really.
 
Pictures of the past

If you care to see some pictures of some road players that we all know, in there younger years, you can go to:

www.arkansaspool.com


and click on "tournament results" then scroll down to photo gallery, you'll have to thumb thru them but there's picture's of myself,Country Calvin,Johnny Archer,Ronnie Wiseman,Scotty Townsend,Charlie Owens,Bobby Pickle, Jeremy Jones,Buddy Hall,Cliff Joyner,Reed Pierce and many others you should know when we were all very much younger!.....

now there's alot of pictures of just appa members, but you'll get to see alot of pic's!

I think it's the 5th link of the photo gallery that has all of the older pic's.

enjoy!:smile:


David Harcrow
 
BCA Pool Leagues STAMP program

The other otion is to join one of the National Organizations (BCAPL, APA, VNEA, ACS or others) and express to them your desires for a State Tournament. They will probably help you out with advise but don't expect any finacial help...you're basically on your own with thier blessing.

L8R...Ken[/QUOTE]

The BCAPL gives the states more than advise. We will actively promote the state (or regional) event. We also add quite a bit of money to various events throughout the country. In 2008, we gave added money back in the area of $50,000 to State and regional events. We also gave close to $90,000 at our National event. That is quite a bit when we only charge $10 per year.
Mark Griffin, CEO
BCAPL
 
SKUNKBOY said:
I am kind of disappointed at some of the National Organizations for not partisipating in and supporting State level Tournaments more. We started with one of these National organizations, but revieved very little in support at our tournaments. That is one of the reasons we are independent right now. We utilize a yearly Sanction fee to join our organization, but we keep all of the funds in our state and it get paid back to our players in either service or prize moneys.


L8R...Ken
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Since we took over the BCAPL in 2004, we have been adding pretty good sized sums to local, state, and national events. Iowa used to sanction with the BCA prior to 2004. I flew to Iowas to explain what the BCAPL was going to do, however, they elected to go independent. I have no control what the old BCA used to give to Iowa, but I know we would be able to add a fair amount of support (financial and otherwise) to their state tournament.

Obviously, we would assume Iowa would abide by the same National requirements as all other leagues.

Just wanting to set the record straight. In another post, I stated we add about $50,000 a year to state and regional events and another $90,000 to our National event.

Mark Griffin, CEO
BCAPL
 
State tournaments

Oregon and Washington has been doing a two state event for 14 years. Our association has been with BCA now with BCAPL. We have had over $90,000 payout over $25,000 added last event....we are a success with 1500 players in our March event.We have two championship events a years, 9 ball and 8 ball. We are hoping to expand to other surronding states.........

State tournaments take alot of energy and support,and people dedicated to make it happen, the event just doesn't fall out of a tree. Being associated with BCAPL and the support we recieve is nice and its a good solid association ........
 
Partially Correct

CrisDeLaGarza said:
Texas has a BCA State 8-ball Championships and we have a Texas Open 9-Ball tournament. The BCA one is restricted to only Texas BCA players and the Texas Open allows anyone to play.
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The BCAPL State is mostly "Texas" only, but you do get players in from OK and last year there was a player from Arkansas. At one time the SWEL league had a division in OK and the TD let them play in the TX State.

There is also the ACS but in TX that is pretty much a joke. Last year they held the tourney on Super Bowl weekend and drew a little more than we get for a local tournament. They even let players sign up at the door and a few were not even league playing ACS members.

Is Shane coming with you in March to cheer on your team ?
 
My appologies to Mark Griffin and BCAPL

Sorry Mark, I didn't realize that you were 'spreading the wealth'. All I remember is that in the presentation that you gave in 2004, and your partner in 2005, the BCAPL didn't have much to offer our Association for the $10 sanction fee. But to be fair, neither did the ACS at that time. We did ask for some concessions...not monitary but services...and neither would commit at that time...maybe times have change with a few years under your belt. I don't think you can deny that the ISPA is doing fine without sanctioning with a National Organization...we are still growing.

I remember talking to Mark and I was impressed with some of his ideas, but they were only ideas at that time. I am glad to see that Maek has made some advances with some of his ideas. Keep going Mark, you're making progress.

BTW, maybe you should consider a new presentation for the ISPA...I'm sure we would listen...no promises but if you are willing to give us some of the things we might need, we might be willing to deal.

That offer also goes for you John, at the ACS.

L8R...Ken
 
bordering communities

Black-Balled said:
I think one should have to live in the State to play.
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I don't desagree, however...

The situation we have here in Iowa, with Omaha and the Quad Cities, a lot of the players form those areas live out of state but play leagues in Iowa. We do allow out of state players provided the league they play in schedules 50% of their matches in Iowa. That hasn't been a problem yet. I don't think anyone from Chicago, Minneapolis or St Louis is going to drive to Iowa just to get sanctioned in our Association...of course, it is the largest State level tournament in the world:smile: ...might be insentive.
 
You Would Think

Black-Balled said:
I think one should have to live in the State to play.
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I also heard that (I don't know if it's true or still happening) there was a guy that lived in Chicago and had enough time and money that he flew in and played with a Dallas team often enough to be qualified to play at State and Nationals.

The instance I gave of Oklahoma players playing at our state tournament was based off of the No Place To Play theory.

The lived over the TX border and had no established leagues to play in. The League Operator in the DFW area formed a division up there and thereby they played some of their matches in OK and some in TX
 
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SKUNKBOY said:
I don't desagree, however...

The situation we have here in Iowa, with Omaha and the Quad Cities, a lot of the players form those areas live out of state but play leagues in Iowa. We do allow out of state players provided the league they play in schedules 50% of their matches in Iowa. That hasn't been a problem yet. I don't think anyone from Chicago, Minneapolis or St Louis is going to drive to Iowa just to get sanctioned in our Association...of course, it is the largest State level tournament in the world:smile: ...might be insentive.
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What kind of numbers do you get?
 
Right now, since the Tournament is in the Quad Cities, we have quite a few from that area, but probably only 100 or so from Illinois. Omaha is so far away (over 400 miles) that they usually only send 25 or so players.

We are considering moving our Tournament to Des Moines...a more central location...and I think we will see a great jump in participation. I can see us needing to extend our tournament from 5 days to 6 or more days. As I mentioned earlier, we do provide good races and we will not sacrifice that standard to cut down on time. We might consider splitting the tournament events and having a spring and fall set up. That's just some of the ideas we are working on right now.

L8R...Ken
 
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