State Open Tournaments?

Most sports organizations have a way to promote their champions or tournaments.

If someone is proposing running geographic based events then which local journalist or publications even colleges could participate.

Thats when the business club meets to decide how to promote a tournament with synergistic impact on local economy.

Ive been reviewing old newspapers that publish pool results, in todays world that is social media. Pool is so universal you can promote it with anything, even titles for your family members.

Many parents buy leagues for their talented athlete to be champion of, if they can afford a tournament at the state level then do it with a state centric mentality.

Teams and solo events and mixed team events are fun at paintball. Billiards could learn from the paintball scene.
 
stewie said:
Or, crazy idea, have some pool organization run it (looking at you, BCA!)
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I was told Mark Griffin bought the amateur leagues from BCA. Those that didn't go along with CSI, formed ACS keeping the old rules and format.
 
ctyhntr said:
I was told Mark Griffin bought the amateur leagues from BCA. Those that didn't go along with CSI, formed ACS keeping the old rules and format.
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BCA is nothing but more stuffed shirts that follow anything the WPA says. If it wasn't for the HOF they would have ZERO function.
 
justnum said:
Most sports organizations have a way to promote their champions or tournaments.

If someone is proposing running geographic based events then which local journalist or publications even colleges could participate.

Thats when the business club meets to decide how to promote a tournament with synergistic impact on local economy.

Ive been reviewing old newspapers that publish pool results, in todays world that is social media. Pool is so universal you can promote it with anything, even titles for your family members.

Many parents buy leagues for their talented athlete to be champion of, if they can afford a tournament at the state level then do it with a state centric mentality.

Teams and solo events and mixed team events are fun at paintball. Billiards could learn from the paintball scene.
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I thought you said titties.
 
lfigueroa said:
When I was speaking of a lack of specifics I was speaking to:

Who the members of "our group" are.

The unidentified "resources" that were at the ready.

The unknown amount of the thousands of dollars you have from unidentified sponsors.

The names of the pool rooms ready to host your events.

Who the experienced referees and TDs you have are.

The unknown size of the budget you say you have for websites, posters, trophies, etc.

Then there are the unknown friends, investors, and individuals supposedly willing to contribute cash and/or sponsor advertising.

And the unidentified fellow teachers, exhibitors, and room owners that are going to participate, not to mention the unidentified playing pros and friends that can get you thousands in cues and equipment.

Lou Figueroa
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Do you think you could be a little more specific? Just kidding. Can't wait for his answer.
 
There is a guy in Delaware I've known for 25 years. He is a decent player (605), and has always been the loudest person in the room, has a lot of gamble, and a bit crazy, in a good way. He also doesn't take shit from anyone. Everyone has always liked him.

He started a fargo based league in Delaware less than 1 year ago and now expanded it to PA and NJ. He must have 20 rooms involved now in 3 states. This guy won't quit. He travels to each place, every single day, runs the leagues, and even runs weekly fargo based tournaments on top of that. There was hardly anything fargo based in the area except one weekly 9 ball event at one room before he started. He finally got a couple of people to help him so he can expand even more.

I told him he is a complete nut-job, and the only type of person who could have accomplished what he did, herding ALL of the cats involved in having any sort of tour/league/tournament/etc. I said this to him as a compliment, and he took it that way.

If you're not that type of person, with a lot of crazy nut-job go-getter personality built in, forget it.
 
lfigueroa said:
When I was speaking of a lack of specifics I was speaking to:

Who the members of "our group" are.

The unidentified "resources" that were at the ready.

The unknown amount of the thousands of dollars you have from unidentified sponsors.

The names of the pool rooms ready to host your events.

Who the experienced referees and TDs you have are.

The unknown size of the budget you say you have for websites, posters, trophies, etc.

Then there are the unknown friends, investors, and individuals supposedly willing to contribute cash and/or sponsor advertising.

And the unidentified fellow teachers, exhibitors, and room owners that are going to participate, not to mention the unidentified playing pros and friends that can get you thousands in cues and equipment.

Lou Figueroa
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Is it unusual to you that I wouldn't post such things before launching tournaments, even though we're working out the details in this thread? I assumed you had experience in business management.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
Is it unusual to you that I wouldn't post such things before launching tournaments, even though we're working out the details in this thread? I assumed you had experience in business management.
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No specifics of any kind about this 'mystery tour' yet you get butthurt when called out for it. good luck running a pool tour with your thin skin.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
I'm not following you here. Just to clarify, I'm not upset.
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How about just stepping away from this until you can come back with actual gameplan/format?? all the guesswork is a colossal waste of time. Are you saying that feedback from a forum is going to be basis for how this deal is going to play out? Have ANY specifics/details been hashed out or is this whole deal still just a big 'what if'?
 
garczar said:
How about just stepping away from this until you can come back with actual gameplan/format?? all the guesswork is a colossal waste of time. Are you saying that feedback from a forum is going to be basis for how this deal is going to play out? Have ANY specifics/details been hashed out or is this whole deal still just a big 'what if'?
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We have a group organizing tournaments, and I asked them to seek player opinions on AZB and at other pages/media. Our group is divided: half want to stick to the usual basic tournaments with added cash, while the other half wants to establish some opens and invitationals.

It seems like half the people in this thread share our group's view that invitationals aren't good ideas.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
Is it unusual to you that I wouldn't post such things before launching tournaments, even though we're working out the details in this thread? I assumed you had experience in business management.
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My original comment was that you were short on specifics and you responded that you had presented specifics.

I then pointed out the many, many details you've not addressed, none of which would impede the launch of any tournament you're contemplating, should that ever come to pass.

As to my background -- it was announcing to the American public things like major weapons systems (stealth bombers and fighters) and other national defense programs. Usually we'd try and have specifics available for stuff like that before going public.

So basically, I know how to put together a good plan for such things. That experience also allows me to identify a poorly conceived plan when I see one.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
My original comment was that you were short on specifics and you responded that you had presented specifics.

I then pointed out the many, many details you've not addressed, none of which would impede the launch of any tournament you're contemplating, should that ever come to pass.

As to my background -- it was announcing to the American public things like major weapons systems (stealth bombers and fighters) and other national defense programs. Usually we'd try and have specifics available for stuff like that before going public.

So basically, I know how to put together a good plan for such things. That experience also allows me to identify a poorly conceived plan when I see one.

Lou Figueroa
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Thank you, sincerely, for your service for our country.

I'm glad you can recognize a poorly conceived plan when you see one. I was seeking diverse input on game and entry fee formats, not soliciting investors. So as you mentioned, you haven't seen a business plan from me—this is intentional.

Given your experience primarily with large corporations, it's important to understand that many investors in small businesses prefer to keep their details private until the official launch, regardless of whether they are investing time, expertise, or both.
 
Badpenguin said:
With feedback like this, who needs enemies? Sheesh give the guy a break.
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He's throwing random ideas at a forum full of pool players. Just what would you expect? This isn't the place for thin skins or getting butthurt easy. Once(IF) this happens he better be ready for this level of feedback and a LOT that will even more honest/brutal. I wish him and his 'group' well but i've seen this show play out too many times over the yrs and it usually did not end well.
 
He asked for thoughts/feelings about proposed tournament formats. Among what he is receiving is being lambasted, personally attacked, having his motives questioned, and penis measuring contests. Is it really that hard just to offer a little positive feedback, or STFU? Are people really this miserable?

With feedback like this, it is no wonder American Pool has died and been taken over by the rest of the world.

Rant over, just saying.
 
garczar said:
He's throwing random ideas at a forum full of pool players. Just what would you expect? This isn't the place for thin skins or getting butthurt easy. Once(IF) this happens he better be ready for this level of feedback and a LOT that will even more honest/brutal. I wish him and his 'group' well but i've seen this show play out too many times over the yrs and it usually did not end well.
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My original post and subsequent discussions haven't been mere "random ideas." I've sought feedback on various tournament formats such as rated/unrated, pro-limited/unlimited designed for 5-tournament seasons with $125 entry fees as proposed 64-person regional playoffs for state invitationals.

Feedback received has varied, with a mix of helpful and less constructive responses, which is typical for any open forum, not just AZB. Although Badpenguin is correct, the bad responses are needlessly harsh.

What kind of scenario "didn't you see play out well many times"? I believe it's prudent to seek opinions and counsel before embarking on any venture.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
Thank you, sincerely, for your service for our country.

I'm glad you can recognize a poorly conceived plan when you see one. I was seeking diverse input on game and entry fee formats, not soliciting investors. So as you mentioned, you haven't seen a business plan from me—this is intentional.

Given your experience primarily with large corporations, it's important to understand that many investors in small businesses prefer to keep their details private until the official launch, regardless of whether they are investing time, expertise, or both.
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Well, then, I guess we'll all just sit back and wait to see what you come up with.

Lou Figueroa
 
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