Statement from BSCP

There is nothing wrong with Yen wanting to be known as the Barry Hearn of Asia nor RAYA being the Matchroom of Asia. Actually that could have been something that a Nation can be proud of. That would have been a great destination had it not been for the journey.


Yen's mudflap message " Ride my bus or be roadkill"!

Clear enough folks?
 
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hardknox222 said:
To be honest, it is very difficult to determine what side to believe. This rebuttal from the BSCP makes sense to me but on the other hand, the facts that BMPAP had posted before also made sense. The only thing that is clear to me is EITHER one group is lying or both groups are lying. They cannot both be truths because each groups' claims are exact opposites of the other. I am so confused and so sad that this is happening to the Filipino players. :( Can't you guys just get along?
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As the saying goes. There's two sides to every story.. and the truth.. :D
 
miko said:
As the saying goes. There's two sides to every story.. and the truth.. :D
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and palyers knows the truth!!!

they'd rather not join bscp thanto be put into subjection by the vultures..
 
Hail Mary Shot said:
thanks for the clarification DP. but may I ask somethin, what can you say about the turmoil during a February qualifier, where a BSCP official tried to change the rules in the middle of an almost concluded event? this happened after the BSCP and BMPAP had come to terms weeks earlier. I am familiar with politics and how politicians and lawyers try to divert legal matters by putting up late, unsigned and unpublished stipulations. those acts alone cause chaos and deemed illegal (breach of contract). what is the BSCPs answer to this? players busted their asses inorder to qualify and be seeded just to be informed later on that they (BSCP) will only take one player and reserve the other remaining 3 slots automatically to their own players who got eliminated or didn't attend in the qualifier? I'm sure anybody would get mad at this (most specially the players who joined the qualifier and won matches to qualify) since it is evident that the BSCP wasted the players' time and had given them nothing but false hope.

will they say again that they (BSCP) are the law and have the right to change their minds anytime as they wish? does this show arrogance and tyranny? what happened to diplomacy? what happened to the rules that were signed beforehand? was that all but BS? all those things written on paper are virtually useless if the BSCP itself doesn't abide by it. instead, they tried to enforce their own laws.


the BSCP buried itself with the Alex P. incident. if the BSCP was that sincere to impartiality and fairness, they should admitted that they were wrong and had apologized by now. the clock is still ticking and no form of apology coming from the BSCP. such lack of sensitivity indeed shows arrogance and stubborness to compromise. why should an organization like that gets respected if they cant even respect the players or apologize to them if they clearly wronged the person?
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To be honest....I don't know what to think about that incident.

I wasn't there and I keep hearing a lot of versions of that story. There is the BSCP version, the BMPAP version and a lot of other versions in between. I find it difficult to discern which is truth from fallacy with everything I've heard.

I've known the BSCP guys I've heard it from can be difficult sometimes to deal with. But then, the guys I heard the BMPAP versions from I have also known to exaggerate a few stories before. Both I considered incredible sources. Add to that a few people to tell it to me as if they were actually there...but weren't.

But I can say this, how you put it above (and is almost the same with the BMPAP version) is indeed very irregular to say the least. Such a qualifier shouldn't have been held that way as to create frustrations and false expectations from the players. I agree the players work their butts off just to compete for a spot. And to have them suffer a sudden change like that wasn't supposed to be the behavior of such an organization.

BSCP officials said that it had to be done because of an oversight of one of them. The BMPAP players felt cheated and couldn't accept any explanation. The then acting qualifier director lost his patience and mean words were spoken. At that point, eyes rolled, backs were turned and that was that.

I myself didn't like how it sounded. If it did happen exactly the way you said it above, and if it happened to me, I may have done the same thing as the BMPAP players.

But I was also aware that tensions were already high during that time. Given that atmosphere, animosity was thick and patience was thin. The situation was already volatile and all it needed was a spark. And apparently, that's exactly what it got....one little spark!


Or atleast so they say...
 
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Darth-Pinoy said:
To be honest....I don't know what to think about that incident.

I wasn't there and I keep hearing a lot of versions of that story. There is the BSCP version, the BMPAP version and a lot of other versions in between. I find it difficult to discern which is truth from fallacy with everything I've heard.

I've known the BSCP guys I've heard it from can be difficult sometimes to deal with. But then, the guys I heard the BMPAP versions from I have also known to exaggerate a few stories before. Both I considered incredible sources. Add to that a few people to tell it to me as if they were actually there...but weren't.

But I can say this, how you put it above (and is almost the same with the BMPAP version) is indeed very irregular to say the least. Such a qualifier shouldn't have been held that way as to create frustrations and false expectations from the players. I agree the players work their butts off just to compete for a spot. And to have them suffer a sudden change like that wasn't supposed to be the behavior of such an organization.

BSCP officials said that it had to be done because of an oversight of one of them. The BMPAP players felt cheated and couldn't accept any explanation. The then acting qualifier director lost his patience and mean words were spoken. At that point, eyes rolled, backs were turned and that was that.

I myself didn't like how it sounded. If it did happen exactly the way you said it above, and if it happened to me, I may have done the same thing as the BMPAP players.

But I was also aware that tensions were already high during that time. Given that atmosphere, animosity was thick and patience was thin. The situation was already volatile and all it needed was a spark. And apparently, that's exactly what it got....one little spark!


Or atleast so they say...
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If Edwin can post the Senate transcript of Alcano's account on the incident here, we will have a first person account of the story. I think it will take only a page.

Edwin?

We can extend a little understanding to those whose patience was on the edge, but the situation being volatile or not, you do not treat a champion like that. It is very revealing of the arrogance and lack of consideration to players by BSCP. It is really no wonder why the players decided to stay as far away as they can from BSCP -- even the post-dated checks (in small amounts) of tournament winnings show how the players are not given importance. BSCP doesn't seem to care if players go around pool halls looking for someone to rediscount their checks.
 
JAM said:
The event is open to all Filipino players.



Is that why it is limited to Filipino players only? :confused:

I wish the U.S. would have an American-only tournament. I cannot think of one time when any tournament in the United States was restricted to Americans only. :frown:
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You misinterpreted it wrong Jennie, it says it's open to all Filipino players, there's no "only" there...
 
sputnik said:
If Edwin can post the Senate transcript of Alcano's account on the incident here, we will have a first person account of the story. I think it will take only a page.

Edwin?

We can extend a little understanding to those whose patience was on the edge, but the situation being volatile or not, you do not treat a champion like that. It is very revealing of the arrogance and lack of consideration to players by BSCP. It is really no wonder why the players decided to stay as far away as they can from BSCP -- even the post-dated checks (in small amounts) of tournament winnings show how the players are not given importance. BSCP doesn't seem to care if players go around pool halls looking for someone to rediscount their checks.
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Sorry guy, no dsl yet in my little island paradise that I just moved to. Am still posting in an internet cafe in the city as of the moment but will soon grant your request when I return to Manila this week.

Edwin<<will soon have wifi while on a cot by a white sand beach
 
Darth-Pinoy said:
To be honest....I don't know what to think about that incident.

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You don't really need to get details of that incident but just the knowledge that it existed and the reason for why it happened is because of "the need to CONTROL".

Why the need to CONTROL? See my posts in this thread #37, 40 and 41 then you'll understand the root of all this. Yen and company's goal was fine but how they tried to get to it was the BIG mistake.

Baka akala nila sila lang ang kumakain ng kanin?
 
gopi-1 said:
You misinterpreted it wrong Jennie, it says it's open to all Filipino players, there's no "only" there...
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But it is for Filipinos' (BSCP members only - *see BSCP requirement in their press release) only because of it being the Philippine National Pool Championships.
 
jay helfert said:
Thanks for this post. It may be the most honest interpretation of what is happening currently in the PI. Because of my personal conflict of interests, I choose not to get involved. For me it is sad also, because I have grown fond of the Philippines, the friendly people, the wonderful climate for pool and the value our dollar still has over there.

It reminds me in some ways of the hostility created when the BCA sold their pool leagues and a splinter group was formed that started a new pool league. All the accusations hurled back and forth, and the difficulty amateur players faced in deciding what league to play in. Somehow some way, it all finally worked out. There remain two leagues at odds with each other, but both have found their rightful place in the pool firmament.

Perhaps time will heal this rift in the PI and both organizations can find a way to thrive and progress. I sure do hope so. I'm not getting any younger. :)
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'twas made clear back in Feb Jay. Amateur is under the NSA or BSCP and the Professionals are under the GAB-accredited BMPAP.
 
Hail Mary Shot said:
thanks for the clarification DP. but may I ask somethin, what can you say about the turmoil during a February qualifier, where a BSCP official tried to change the rules in the middle of an almost concluded event? this happened after the BSCP and BMPAP had come to terms weeks earlier. I am familiar with politics and how politicians and lawyers try to divert legal matters by putting up late, unsigned and unpublished stipulations. those acts alone cause chaos and deemed illegal (breach of contract). what is the BSCPs answer to this? players busted their asses inorder to qualify and be seeded just to be informed later on that they (BSCP) will only take one player and reserve the other remaining 3 slots automatically to their own players who got eliminated or didn't attend in the qualifier? I'm sure anybody would get mad at this (most specially the players who joined the qualifier and won matches to qualify) since it is evident that the BSCP wasted the players' time and had given them nothing but false hope.

will they say again that they (BSCP) are the law and have the right to change their minds anytime as they wish? does this show arrogance and tyranny? what happened to diplomacy? what happened to the rules that were signed beforehand? was that all but BS? all those things written on paper are virtually useless if the BSCP itself doesn't abide by it. instead, they tried to enforce their own laws.


the BSCP buried itself with the Alex P. incident. if the BSCP was that sincere to impartiality and fairness, they should admitted that they were wrong and had apologized by now. the clock is still ticking and no form of apology coming from the BSCP. such lack of sensitivity indeed shows arrogance and stubborness to compromise. why should an organization like that gets respected if they cant even respect the players or apologize to them if they clearly wronged the person?
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It's not anymore going to be just a public apology. This is now also going to cost them some jail time as the libel suit has been filed.
 
i hope the "mounting pressure" from the lower rated pro players will not make bmpap give up their just cause of making sure phil. pro pool players will not become subjects of yen and cohorts...

i hope those players can see the scenario-- bscp(yen and cohorts) taken over the the phil. pool scene...dictating and driving them like dogs without giving them true dignity and nurturing...
 
Darth-Pinoy said:
To be honest....I don't know what to think about that incident.

I wasn't there and I keep hearing a lot of versions of that story. There is the BSCP version, the BMPAP version and a lot of other versions in between. I find it difficult to discern which is truth from fallacy with everything I've heard.

I've known the BSCP guys I've heard it from can be difficult sometimes to deal with. But then, the guys I heard the BMPAP versions from I have also known to exaggerate a few stories before. Both I considered incredible sources. Add to that a few people to tell it to me as if they were actually there...but weren't.

But I can say this, how you put it above (and is almost the same with the BMPAP version) is indeed very irregular to say the least. Such a qualifier shouldn't have been held that way as to create frustrations and false expectations from the players. I agree the players work their butts off just to compete for a spot. And to have them suffer a sudden change like that wasn't supposed to be the behavior of such an organization.

BSCP officials said that it had to be done because of an oversight of one of them. The BMPAP players felt cheated and couldn't accept any explanation. The then acting qualifier director lost his patience and mean words were spoken. At that point, eyes rolled, backs were turned and that was that.

I myself didn't like how it sounded. If it did happen exactly the way you said it above, and if it happened to me, I may have done the same thing as the BMPAP players.

But I was also aware that tensions were already high during that time. Given that atmosphere, animosity was thick and patience was thin. The situation was already volatile and all it needed was a spark. And apparently, that's exactly what it got....one little spark!


Or atleast so they say...
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What oversight? Is it that BSCP didn't expect their players to finish second to BMPAP players in the round robin(4players per group) stage of the qualifiers. With that round robin result, they were afraid that none of their players will survive the elimination round so they took back one of the 2 slots in contention. This action then guarantees that one of their players get a slot and in so doing guarantees that BSCP gets some of their money back. What money? They enticed players to join BSCP/PBDF with promises of financial assistance such as a monthly stipend. But what these players didn't realize when they signed-up is that they, the players, are going to repay these stipends from their winnings.

That is the big difference between BMPAP Managers and the BSCP/RAYA's PBDF. BMPAP players don't need to pay back the salaries that they recieve while BSCP/RAYA's PBDF players monthly stipend accumulates as a loan that the players need to pay back from their winnings. Antonio Gabica has won in events produced by BSCP/RAYA and in tournaments like Guinness and WPA events where he automatically got seeded but as of today owes the BSCP/RAYA's PBDF over Php250,000.00. Ask any BMPAP player how much they owe their managers (except for advances on personal conveniences like automobiles or houses).....the answer NADA!

Which player then has the more peaceful mindset to focus on giving their all when playing? The BMPAP player that's who!
 
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arian dacongan said:
i hope the "mounting pressure" from the lower rated pro players will not make bmpap give up their just cause of making sure phil. pro pool players will not become subjects of yen and cohorts...

i hope those players can see the scenario-- bscp(yen and cohorts) taken over the the phil. pool scene...dictating and driving them like dogs without giving them true dignity and nurturing...
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No pressure at all Arian. These so-called lower ranked players are starting to see the light. They have started changing their attitude and started running their lives as it should be, as professional athletes. The recent tournament results and media appearances show improvement. I see that they now understand what the BMPAP is all about and how they can benefit from it. Evidence? Just check out the tournament news here in the AzB home Page reports. There you'll see a lot of new names beating our top-rank players. So is the BMPAP about the players? You betcha!
 
JAM said:
Please enlighten our dear readers, pro9dg.

Pray tell, who is sponsoring this event? Inquiring minds may want to know! :smile:

JAM
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Here's an answer to your question directly from where its happening Jam. I personally don't know where the funding for the W10BC is coming from.

Producing a pool event is just like producing a movie. It needs the stars to draw the viewers and without the hope for a high number of viewership then what return (exposure-wise) can the funding sponsors expect? RAYA cannot anymore flaunt nor guarantee to possible sponsors that the top Filipino Pool Players will play in their events specially after we issued an Advisory about the need for a "letter of intent to participate" from BMPAP players as a guarantee for corporate sponsors that these players will participate in a proposed event. If RAYA needs top-ranked Filipino Poolplayers then they need to get a written agreement/permission from the BMPAP because these players are BMPAP Talents. Movie Producers approach Talent Agencies that manages the Actors/Actresses that they need for their production. Pool Event production is the same as how it works in movie production Mr. RAYA!

RAYA is a pool event promoter or equivalent to a movie producer. Normally, talents beg this big producers to include them in their production. Basically, the talents are at these producers mercy. Well, it's a different situation now. The players (talents) are a part of the producer/promoter outfit, BMPAP. They, the players are now producers/talent managers too.

I see RAYA press releases about foreign players coming but still no announcement of who their sponsors are. This is truly odd as part of the media values in exchange for sponsorship is the sponsor's name being mentioned in press releases.
Secondly, there still isn't any statement from the Games and Amusement Board that Prize Money has been placed in Escrow and that is a GAB Event Permit REQUIREMENT. So how then can any player here have the urge to join such event? We're so fed up with these post-dated checks.

So, who are the sponsors for the World 10-Ball Championship?
 
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bandido said:
What oversight? Is it that BSCP didn't expect their players to finish second to BMPAP players in the round robin(4players per group) stage of the qualifiers. With that round robin result, they were afraid that none of their players will survive the elimination round so they took back one of the 2 slots in contention. This action then guarantees that one of their players get a slot and in so doing guarantees that BSCP gets some of their money back. What money? They enticed players to join BSCP/PBDF with promises of financial assistance such as a monthly stipend. But what these players didn't realize when they signed-up is that they, the players, are going to repay these stipends from their winnings.

That is the big difference between BMPAP Managers and the BSCP/RAYA's PBDF. BMPAP players don't need to pay back the salaries that they recieve while BSCP/RAYA's PBDF players monthly stipend accumulates as a loan that the players need to pay back from their winnings. Antonio Gabica has won in events produced by BSCP/RAYA and in tournaments like Guinness and WPA events where he automatically got seeded but as of today owes the BSCP/RAYA's PBDF over Php250,000.00. Ask any BMPAP player how much they owe their managers (except for advances on personal conveniences like automobiles or houses).....the answer NADA!

Which player then has the more peaceful mindset to focus on giving their all when playing? The BMPAP player that's who!
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250,000 pesos??? Start your paperworks Edwin, Gaga's bailing out!
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In all fairness, if that is the agreement that Gaga had gotten into without deception, then it can be said that Gaga is simply spending more than his winnings.

At the same token, there is nothing wrong with managers taking commission off earnings. Do you think Manny Pacquiao would be this rich without his manager? It happens in all pro sports.

What I want to know is how the airfares and hotels of BSCP players are being paid.
 
Quoting from the PBDF section in the BSCP website:
Philippine Billiard Development Foundation

objectives:

1.NO COMMISSION CLAUSE. No 40% commission will be deducted from the players winnings, gifts, endorsement fees & etc. All expenses defrayed by PBDF in aid of their quest to compete locally & internationally will be returned to the foundation no more, no less.

This means that all monthly stipend advanced, airfare, hotel accomodation expenses, food allowances, visa fees and entry fees are to be returned by the financially-assisted player to the Philippine Billiard Development FOUNDATION.
 
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