Statement from BSCP

[JAM]

I think that the situation in the Philippines is unique. Nowhere else in the world are there "stables" of professional players. Although the Philippines is producing world class talent it is not the epicenter of pool in the world.

People need to stop seeing this as if it's an earth shattering event. Whatever happens in the Philippine pool scene is unlikely to affect much in the real world of pool outside of the Philippines.

No other investors are anxiously watching what happens before they start their own European and North American "stables". The world press isn't camping out at BSCP headquarters to get a comment from Yen Makabenta.

Only here we are making a big deal of it.

I don't really have much of an opinion one way or the other. I am not sure how any of this benefits the players though as it seems as if they are pawns in this power struggle.

Are the billiard managers really going to let the players decide their own fate if they gain control of the professional scene? Since when do the horses run the farm? Having said that I have NO IDEA what the bylaws f the BMAPP (or whatever it is) are. I have no idea how they will handle the very issues they are protesting against.

One thing I am sure of - "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

I always enjoy reading your posts.

You have this uncanny ability to tell it like it, ESPECIALLY when the truth needs to be told. I will not elaborate, but only to say you are absolutely right in your observations about a variety of topics. It's a shame that some will not handle the truth when confronted with it and give you the hand. And I'll just leave it at that!

BTW, John, I saw you on TV at the GenerationPool men's pro event on ESPN sitting in the VIP seats railside! You must have had a blast!

JAM

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

"Ronato Alcano got his big break via the 2006 world Pool Championship in Manila. Marlon Manalo got his start through the BSCP system of nurturing talent. Lee Van Corteza got recognition through the many opportunities given him by the BSCP"

this is one twisted statement comin from the BSCP. does that mean without the 2006 WPC in Manila, Alcano couldn't have won the championship? If I could remember correctly, Alcano was only a late substitution on the 128 man field event. Alcano qualified by sheer luck, and the BSCP didn't bestow him a slot. without that one person backing out of the event, Alcano would've not been able to play. did the BSCP have to do something with that? certainly not. I guess, if only the 2007 8ball world tourney where Alcano won happened in Manila, I believe the BSCP would had used it as well.

regarding Marlon, he's been playing snooker regularly on his own in Mandaluyong before he switched to pool. the BSCP has no influence to that whatsoever but rather by Manalo's own decision to join pool. Manalo joined tourneys even before the BSCP locked their eyes on hosting the WPC event.

lastly, LVC was among those young guns playing along with Orcullo as early as the 2000 millenium. he played several tourneys not later than 2005and a few broadcasted events including the SMB 9B tours and invitational exhibition games (certainly not BSCP events) . I can't see why the BSCP takes credit for such exposure if LVC already got the exposure due to his preliminary stage encounters prior to some BSCP events.

what I understand is that the BSCP wants to take credit for all those players' accomplishments while the only job that they did was to issue IDs.

 

[Darth-Pinoy]

Thanks Joey, that's only three words, which definately helps. But who's trying to deceive who here? Or is everyone involved just out to get the most for themselves and no-one else needs to care what happens?

I have no axe to grind here. And I can give you some facts that I know first-hand.

1) The BSCP case against Alex is definitely a boo-boo. They shouldn't have done that to Alex for it was simply out of line. Why would you punish somebody who didn't even get, or has never gotten, a single complaint from anyone in or any other tournament? Everybody loved Alex and his antics in event in question.

2) 95% of all top Filipino pros do belong with the BMPAP. However, not all share the same sentiments. Most of them simply want to play and earn thier living. So why are they there? Because their managers says so, and they are afraid that if they do otherwise, their benefactors would no more release a cent to them. Understandable......but inconvenient.

3) BSCP can be too strict and insensitive to the players. Players, being human as well, have certain needs and nuances that need some attention and consideration. The officers of BSCP do not pay attention to those. It's like; "You play. That's all you gotta do. And play good! You don't wanna play? Fine...we'll let the next guy play.". That shouldn't be how it is. You really wanna nurture a player, you gotta be aware of his life. What is he going through now? How will he play or how will things affect his game?

***

(Random conversations with several players. Translated from Filipino)

4) From lower-class BMPAP players themselves : "I wish I could also play in the BSCP tours. I heard they also had lotsa nice prizes up for grabs there. And the competition isn't that tough coz most of the tough guys are here! I think I can do well there too. But Boss XXX won't let me and the other guys go. Damn!"

From an upper-class BMPAP player: "Wow! I'm glad this rift between the two camps started. It's the best thing that ever happened to us! The Boss suddenly treats us a lot better now coz they're afraid to lose us to the other side. We're paid on time with better rates than ever! I hope they never patch things up." And when that pool league comes in....that'll definitely be the sh*t!

5) From an upper-class BCSP player: "This doesn't feel right. My career's going nowhere. And I think I'm not playing right. I need something...but I can't seem to know exactly what. To make things worse they (BSCP leaders) aren't listening to me. I hafta do something about this soon. But I swear I'm not going over the fence and join the BMPAP. I'd rather do something else."

6) Some upper-class BMPAP players did say something about their managers taking 40% off their winnings. But also added this statement: "Yeah they do take 40%, but I don't really mind. Hey...with what they have given me and my family...what they spent on me since way back....what I'm able to win just ain't cutting it! To be honest, I'm glad they're only taking 40%...when it should really be more. Yeah I did win a few, but I'm also aware of how long they've been backing me up and I believe I've cost them a lot more than what I have been able to win back. Of course I will always remember my debts. Not just the money, but also of gratitude. That's another reason why I can't leave boss for no matter what."


***

7) There used to be a time here when somebody announced a tournament, anybody who wanted can have the chance to join it. Now, the first question one will ask about a tour is "Whose is it? BSCP or BMPAP? I need to know which one coz I can't join the other."

8) The BSCP is poised to host a WPC without the top-caliber Filipino players. The BMPAP is ready to host its own WPC with ONLY the top-caliber Filipino players! Nobody else might/will be there.

Coz if the BMPAP players do go on with their boycott, the WPA will most probably see it as hostile action and let it be known to all its international affiliated players and sub-organizations not to join the BMPAP tournaments. (I'm not sure about this one. This is just a personal hunch.)


9) The BSCP did not nurture Ronnie Alcano and did not give him any special treament during the WPC06. Ronnie did most of it witht the help of his backer, Perry Mariano. Same with Lee Van's success with the national championships. (Jonathan Sy, LV's manager)

10) About Marlon Manalo, if the BSCP is referring to the times when he was mostly playing snooker and not yet concentrated on pool, then it might be a "Yes" they were closely nurturing him. It was a time when a younger Marlon showed prowess in snooker. Coz he ain't really satisfied with them lately. And he ain't alone.


....??? Let me stop here for now. Some other info I haven't confirmed and yet some I have confirmed but just too incriminating to post here. And that's to say it for both of them!


For me, I couldn't care less for either organization. Both have really bad skeletons in their closets. But then, both have also done some good to contribute to Philippine pool. But most of all, the players themselves are divided. Some used to be friends and now are treating each other with cold indifference.

The upper-class pros seem to be the only group of players who have favorable conditions. While the lower-class, semi-pros and amateurs who also make a living off pool seem to be having it worse coz they aren't able to maximize their chances of earning.

The atmosphere has changed here to say the least. And it's not for the better.

My advocacy is for those standing on the sidelines to simply shut-up and let the two factions settle it among themselves. Let us not throw more fodder into the flame.

Both claim to be right, the other wrong. Both claim to have the financial, political and administrative capacity to back their claims...I say...then let them do it as they say! Time will ultimately be their judge. We should atleast bear witness and let it flow. The more we interfere, the longer this is gonna get. I believe nobody wants that.'


@Hail Mary Shot - the player you're talking about (got lucky coz someone at the WPC06 pulled out) wasn't Ronnie. It was Jharome Pena who finished top-12th in the qualifiers and sneaked in via points earned coz two seeds didn't come to the WPC at that time. The other guy (11th) I think was Israel Rota or was it Rudy Morta? I forget.

 

[arian dacongan]

I have no axe to grind here. And I can give you some facts that I know first-hand.

1) The BSCP case against Alex is definitely a boo-boo. They shouldn't have done that to Alex for it was simply out of line. Why would you punish somebody who didn't even get, or has never gotten, a single complaint from anyone in or any other tournament? Everybody loved Alex and his antics in event in question.

2) 95% of all top Filipino pros do belong with the BMPAP. However, not all share the same sentiments. Most of them simply want to play and earn thier living. So why are they there? Because their managers says so, and they are afraid that if they do otherwise, their benefactors would no more release a cent to them. Understandable......but inconvenient.

3) BSCP can be too strict and insensitive to the players. Players, being human as well, have certain needs and nuances that need some attention and consideration. The officers of BSCP do not pay attention to those. It's like; "You play. That's all you gotta do. And play good! You don't wanna play? Fine...we'll let the next guy play.". That shouldn't be how it is. You really wanna nurture a player, you gotta be aware of his life. What is he going through now? How will he play or how will things affect his game?

***

(Random conversations with several players. Translated from Filipino)

4) From lower-class BMPAP players themselves : "I wish I could also play in the BSCP tours. I heard they also had lotsa nice prizes up for grabs there. And the competition isn't that tough coz most of the tough guys are here! I think I can do well there too. But Boss XXX won't let me and the other guys go. Damn!"

From an upper-class BMPAP player: "Wow! I'm glad this rift between the two camps started. It's the best thing that ever happened to us! The Boss suddenly treats us a lot better now coz they're afraid to lose us to the other side. We're paid on time with better rates than ever! I hope they never patch things up." And when that pool league comes in....that'll definitely be the sh*t!

5) From an upper-class BCSP player: "This doesn't feel right. My career's going nowhere. And I think I'm not playing right. I need something...but I can't seem to know exactly what. To make things worse they (BSCP leaders) aren't listening to me. I hafta do something about this soon. But I swear I'm not going over the fence and join the BMPAP. I'd rather do something else."

6) Some upper-class BMPAP players did say something about their managers taking 40% off their winnings. But also added this statement: "Yeah they do take 40%, but I don't really mind. Hey...with what they have given me and my family...what they spent on me since way back....what I'm able to win just ain't cutting it! To be honest, I'm glad they're only taking 40%...when it should really be more. Yeah I did win a few, but I'm also aware of how long they've been backing me up and I believe I've cost them a lot more than what I have been able to win back. Of course I will always remember my debts. Not just the money, but also of gratitude. That's another reason why I can't leave boss for no matter what."


***

7) There used to be a time here when somebody announced a tournament, anybody who wanted can have the chance to join it. Now, the first question one will ask about a tour is "Whose is it? BSCP or BMPAP? I need to know which one coz I can't join the other."

8) The BSCP is poised to host a WPC without the top-caliber Filipino players. The BMPAP is ready to host its own WPC with ONLY the top-caliber Filipino players! Nobody else might/will be there.

Coz if the BMPAP players do go on with their boycott, the WPA will most probably see it as hostile action and let it be known to all its international affiliated players and sub-organizations not to join the BMPAP tournaments. (I'm not sure about this one. This is just a personal hunch.)


9) The BSCP did not nurture Ronnie Alcano and did not give him any special treament during the WPC06. Ronnie did most of it witht the help of his backer, Perry Mariano. Same with Lee Van's success with the national championships. (Jonathan Sy, LV's manager)

10) About Marlon Manalo, if the BSCP is referring to the times when he was mostly playing snooker and not yet concentrated on pool, then it might be a "Yes" they were closely nurturing him. It was a time when a younger Marlon showed prowess in snooker. Coz he ain't really satisfied with them lately. And he ain't alone.


....??? Let me stop here for now. Some other info I haven't confirmed and yet some I have confirmed but just too incriminating to post here. And that's to say it for both of them!


For me, I couldn't care less for either organization. Both have really bad skeletons in their closets. But then, both have also done some good to contribute to Philippine pool. But most of all, the players themselves are divided. Some used to be friends and now are treating each other with cold indifference.

The upper-class pros seem to be the only group of players who have favorable conditions. While the lower-class, semi-pros and amateurs who also make a living off pool seem to be having it worse coz they aren't able to maximize their chances of earning.

The atmosphere has changed here to say the least. And it's not for the better.

My advocacy is for those standing on the sidelines to simply shut-up and let the two factions settle it among themselves. Let us not throw more fodder into the flame.

Both claim to be right, the other wrong. Both claim to have the financial, political and administrative capacity to back their claims...I say...then let them do it as they say! Time will ultimately be their judge. We should atleast bear witness and let it flow. The more we interfere, the longer this is gonna get. I believe nobody wants that.'


@Hail Mary Shot - the player you're talking about (got lucky coz someone at the WPC06 pulled out) wasn't Ronnie. It was Jharome Pena who finished top-12th in the qualifiers and sneaked in via points earned coz two seeds didn't come to the WPC at that time. The other guy (11th) I think was Israel Rota or was it Rudy Morta? I forget.

darth..i absolutely agree with you on your posts: that is the inconvenient truth.

but also.these players esp. the lower rated ones.need to understand the principle here that the managers are fighting for...some of thses players are really shortsighted- all they wanna do is play regardless of who's tournamnet ist is,,i absolutely agree..and i understand the "poverty" issue or the socio economic issue involved here...they have to play and make money...

what i hope they see also is if they let themselves be subdued by yen and cohorts then thses vultures will have their way anyway they want it...

now that's like being in bondage but being fed like a dog....the pillars like reyes knows very well the issue here,,they are fighting for these players future above all....these managers are not really like yen and cohorts...

if they make a stand once and for all,,then eventually it will be good to for them and the fair competition will benefit them,,,

 

[arian dacongan]

also darth,,this forum is not an interference to the settlement of this problem...this is discussion of opinions...that is the part i do not understand with you,,,you want people to hush,,,and that's why i said on my previous therad that i'm glad you are not in any governmental position like a president or something because you will hush people and then you have created a greater crisis of stifling freedom of press/speech..

this is just discussions and so don't tell people to hush...jmho

 

[hardknox222]

To be honest, it is very difficult to determine what side to believe. This rebuttal from the BSCP makes sense to me but on the other hand, the facts that BMPAP had posted before also made sense. The only thing that is clear to me is EITHER one group is lying or both groups are lying. They cannot both be truths because each groups' claims are exact opposites of the other. I am so confused and so sad that this is happening to the Filipino players. Can't you guys just get along?

 

[jay helfert]

I have no axe to grind here. And I can give you some facts that I know first-hand.

1) The BSCP case against Alex is definitely a boo-boo. They shouldn't have done that to Alex for it was simply out of line. Why would you punish somebody who didn't even get, or has never gotten, a single complaint from anyone in or any other tournament? Everybody loved Alex and his antics in event in question.

2) 95% of all top Filipino pros do belong with the BMPAP. However, not all share the same sentiments. Most of them simply want to play and earn thier living. So why are they there? Because their managers says so, and they are afraid that if they do otherwise, their benefactors would no more release a cent to them. Understandable......but inconvenient.

3) BSCP can be too strict and insensitive to the players. Players, being human as well, have certain needs and nuances that need some attention and consideration. The officers of BSCP do not pay attention to those. It's like; "You play. That's all you gotta do. And play good! You don't wanna play? Fine...we'll let the next guy play.". That shouldn't be how it is. You really wanna nurture a player, you gotta be aware of his life. What is he going through now? How will he play or how will things affect his game?

***

(Random conversations with several players. Translated from Filipino)

4) From lower-class BMPAP players themselves : "I wish I could also play in the BSCP tours. I heard they also had lotsa nice prizes up for grabs there. And the competition isn't that tough coz most of the tough guys are here! I think I can do well there too. But Boss XXX won't let me and the other guys go. Damn!"

From an upper-class BMPAP player: "Wow! I'm glad this rift between the two camps started. It's the best thing that ever happened to us! The Boss suddenly treats us a lot better now coz they're afraid to lose us to the other side. We're paid on time with better rates than ever! I hope they never patch things up." And when that pool league comes in....that'll definitely be the sh*t!

5) From an upper-class BCSP player: "This doesn't feel right. My career's going nowhere. And I think I'm not playing right. I need something...but I can't seem to know exactly what. To make things worse they (BSCP leaders) aren't listening to me. I hafta do something about this soon. But I swear I'm not going over the fence and join the BMPAP. I'd rather do something else."

6) Some upper-class BMPAP players did say something about their managers taking 40% off their winnings. But also added this statement: "Yeah they do take 40%, but I don't really mind. Hey...with what they have given me and my family...what they spent on me since way back....what I'm able to win just ain't cutting it! To be honest, I'm glad they're only taking 40%...when it should really be more. Yeah I did win a few, but I'm also aware of how long they've been backing me up and I believe I've cost them a lot more than what I have been able to win back. Of course I will always remember my debts. Not just the money, but also of gratitude. That's another reason why I can't leave boss for no matter what."


***

7) There used to be a time here when somebody announced a tournament, anybody who wanted can have the chance to join it. Now, the first question one will ask about a tour is "Whose is it? BSCP or BMPAP? I need to know which one coz I can't join the other."

8) The BSCP is poised to host a WPC without the top-caliber Filipino players. The BMPAP is ready to host its own WPC with ONLY the top-caliber Filipino players! Nobody else might/will be there.

Coz if the BMPAP players do go on with their boycott, the WPA will most probably see it as hostile action and let it be known to all its international affiliated players and sub-organizations not to join the BMPAP tournaments. (I'm not sure about this one. This is just a personal hunch.)


9) The BSCP did not nurture Ronnie Alcano and did not give him any special treament during the WPC06. Ronnie did most of it witht the help of his backer, Perry Mariano. Same with Lee Van's success with the national championships. (Jonathan Sy, LV's manager)

10) About Marlon Manalo, if the BSCP is referring to the times when he was mostly playing snooker and not yet concentrated on pool, then it might be a "Yes" they were closely nurturing him. It was a time when a younger Marlon showed prowess in snooker. Coz he ain't really satisfied with them lately. And he ain't alone.


....??? Let me stop here for now. Some other info I haven't confirmed and yet some I have confirmed but just too incriminating to post here. And that's to say it for both of them!


For me, I couldn't care less for either organization. Both have really bad skeletons in their closets. But then, both have also done some good to contribute to Philippine pool. But most of all, the players themselves are divided. Some used to be friends and now are treating each other with cold indifference.

The upper-class pros seem to be the only group of players who have favorable conditions. While the lower-class, semi-pros and amateurs who also make a living off pool seem to be having it worse coz they aren't able to maximize their chances of earning.

The atmosphere has changed here to say the least. And it's not for the better.

My advocacy is for those standing on the sidelines to simply shut-up and let the two factions settle it among themselves. Let us not throw more fodder into the flame.

Both claim to be right, the other wrong. Both claim to have the financial, political and administrative capacity to back their claims...I say...then let them do it as they say! Time will ultimately be their judge. We should atleast bear witness and let it flow. The more we interfere, the longer this is gonna get. I believe nobody wants that.'


@Hail Mary Shot - the player you're talking about (got lucky coz someone at the WPC06 pulled out) wasn't Ronnie. It was Jharome Pena who finished top-12th in the qualifiers and sneaked in via points earned coz two seeds didn't come to the WPC at that time. The other guy (11th) I think was Israel Rota or was it Rudy Morta? I forget.

Thanks for this post. It may be the most honest interpretation of what is happening currently in the PI. Because of my personal conflict of interests, I choose not to get involved. For me it is sad also, because I have grown fond of the Philippines, the friendly people, the wonderful climate for pool and the value our dollar still has over there.

It reminds me in some ways of the hostility created when the BCA sold their pool leagues and a splinter group was formed that started a new pool league. All the accusations hurled back and forth, and the difficulty amateur players faced in deciding what league to play in. Somehow some way, it all finally worked out. There remain two leagues at odds with each other, but both have found their rightful place in the pool firmament.

Perhaps time will heal this rift in the PI and both organizations can find a way to thrive and progress. I sure do hope so. I'm not getting any younger.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Are Luat and Andam still under Puyat now? I know they were under Puyat when they were still winning tournaments.

Andam has not gone outside of the islands for a while due to health reasons.
Luat is no longer sponsored by Puyat afaik.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

I have no axe to grind here. And I can give you some facts that I know first-hand.

1) The BSCP case against Alex is definitely a boo-boo. They shouldn't have done that to Alex for it was simply out of line. Why would you punish somebody who didn't even get, or has never gotten, a single complaint from anyone in or any other tournament? Everybody loved Alex and his antics in event in question.

2) 95% of all top Filipino pros do belong with the BMPAP. However, not all share the same sentiments. Most of them simply want to play and earn thier living. So why are they there? Because their managers says so, and they are afraid that if they do otherwise, their benefactors would no more release a cent to them. Understandable......but inconvenient.

3) BSCP can be too strict and insensitive to the players. Players, being human as well, have certain needs and nuances that need some attention and consideration. The officers of BSCP do not pay attention to those. It's like; "You play. That's all you gotta do. And play good! You don't wanna play? Fine...we'll let the next guy play.". That shouldn't be how it is. You really wanna nurture a player, you gotta be aware of his life. What is he going through now? How will he play or how will things affect his game?

***

(Random conversations with several players. Translated from Filipino)

4) From lower-class BMPAP players themselves : "I wish I could also play in the BSCP tours. I heard they also had lotsa nice prizes up for grabs there. And the competition isn't that tough coz most of the tough guys are here! I think I can do well there too. But Boss XXX won't let me and the other guys go. Damn!"

From an upper-class BMPAP player: "Wow! I'm glad this rift between the two camps started. It's the best thing that ever happened to us! The Boss suddenly treats us a lot better now coz they're afraid to lose us to the other side. We're paid on time with better rates than ever! I hope they never patch things up." And when that pool league comes in....that'll definitely be the sh*t!

5) From an upper-class BCSP player: "This doesn't feel right. My career's going nowhere. And I think I'm not playing right. I need something...but I can't seem to know exactly what. To make things worse they (BSCP leaders) aren't listening to me. I hafta do something about this soon. But I swear I'm not going over the fence and join the BMPAP. I'd rather do something else."

6) Some upper-class BMPAP players did say something about their managers taking 40% off their winnings. But also added this statement: "Yeah they do take 40%, but I don't really mind. Hey...with what they have given me and my family...what they spent on me since way back....what I'm able to win just ain't cutting it! To be honest, I'm glad they're only taking 40%...when it should really be more. Yeah I did win a few, but I'm also aware of how long they've been backing me up and I believe I've cost them a lot more than what I have been able to win back. Of course I will always remember my debts. Not just the money, but also of gratitude. That's another reason why I can't leave boss for no matter what."


***

7) There used to be a time here when somebody announced a tournament, anybody who wanted can have the chance to join it. Now, the first question one will ask about a tour is "Whose is it? BSCP or BMPAP? I need to know which one coz I can't join the other."

8) The BSCP is poised to host a WPC without the top-caliber Filipino players. The BMPAP is ready to host its own WPC with ONLY the top-caliber Filipino players! Nobody else might/will be there.

Coz if the BMPAP players do go on with their boycott, the WPA will most probably see it as hostile action and let it be known to all its international affiliated players and sub-organizations not to join the BMPAP tournaments. (I'm not sure about this one. This is just a personal hunch.)


9) The BSCP did not nurture Ronnie Alcano and did not give him any special treament during the WPC06. Ronnie did most of it witht the help of his backer, Perry Mariano. Same with Lee Van's success with the national championships. (Jonathan Sy, LV's manager)

10) About Marlon Manalo, if the BSCP is referring to the times when he was mostly playing snooker and not yet concentrated on pool, then it might be a "Yes" they were closely nurturing him. It was a time when a younger Marlon showed prowess in snooker. Coz he ain't really satisfied with them lately. And he ain't alone.


....??? Let me stop here for now. Some other info I haven't confirmed and yet some I have confirmed but just too incriminating to post here. And that's to say it for both of them!


For me, I couldn't care less for either organization. Both have really bad skeletons in their closets. But then, both have also done some good to contribute to Philippine pool. But most of all, the players themselves are divided. Some used to be friends and now are treating each other with cold indifference.

The upper-class pros seem to be the only group of players who have favorable conditions. While the lower-class, semi-pros and amateurs who also make a living off pool seem to be having it worse coz they aren't able to maximize their chances of earning.

The atmosphere has changed here to say the least. And it's not for the better.

My advocacy is for those standing on the sidelines to simply shut-up and let the two factions settle it among themselves. Let us not throw more fodder into the flame.

Both claim to be right, the other wrong. Both claim to have the financial, political and administrative capacity to back their claims...I say...then let them do it as they say! Time will ultimately be their judge. We should atleast bear witness and let it flow. The more we interfere, the longer this is gonna get. I believe nobody wants that.'


@Hail Mary Shot - the player you're talking about (got lucky coz someone at the WPC06 pulled out) wasn't Ronnie. It was Jharome Pena who finished top-12th in the qualifiers and sneaked in via points earned coz two seeds didn't come to the WPC at that time. The other guy (11th) I think was Israel Rota or was it Rudy Morta? I forget.

thanks for the clarification DP. but may I ask somethin, what can you say about the turmoil during a February qualifier, where a BSCP official tried to change the rules in the middle of an almost concluded event? this happened after the BSCP and BMPAP had come to terms weeks earlier. I am familiar with politics and how politicians and lawyers try to divert legal matters by putting up late, unsigned and unpublished stipulations. those acts alone cause chaos and deemed illegal (breach of contract). what is the BSCPs answer to this? players busted their asses inorder to qualify and be seeded just to be informed later on that they (BSCP) will only take one player and reserve the other remaining 3 slots automatically to their own players who got eliminated or didn't attend in the qualifier? I'm sure anybody would get mad at this (most specially the players who joined the qualifier and won matches to qualify) since it is evident that the BSCP wasted the players' time and had given them nothing but false hope.

will they say again that they (BSCP) are the law and have the right to change their minds anytime as they wish? does this show arrogance and tyranny? what happened to diplomacy? what happened to the rules that were signed beforehand? was that all but BS? all those things written on paper are virtually useless if the BSCP itself doesn't abide by it. instead, they tried to enforce their own laws.


the BSCP buried itself with the Alex P. incident. if the BSCP was that sincere to impartiality and fairness, they should admitted that they were wrong and had apologized by now. the clock is still ticking and no form of apology coming from the BSCP. such lack of sensitivity indeed shows arrogance and stubborness to compromise. why should an organization like that gets respected if they cant even respect the players or apologize to them if they clearly wronged the person?

 

[sputnik]

To sum things up:

It is the COMMAND RESPONSIBILITYof BSCP to have allowed the situation of Philippine billiards to come to this. Whatever the nature or motivation the payers and managers had, they should have solved it with reason, explanation, and diplomacy to prevent a splinter.

Article IV Section J of the Constitution and By-Laws on National Sports Associations (BSCP for Pool) of the Philippine Olympic Committee (http://www.olympic.ph/natlsportsassoc.html)
states :

"To formulate qualification standards and license and accredit referees, umpires and arbiters and other game officials in the respective sports; decide, subject to appeal to the POC, all question on the amateur status and disciple of athletes as well as members of NSAs and all disputes between their members.

Reading through the link tells us about the real mandate of BSCP. THE BY-LAWS AND CONSTITUTION OF POC DO NOT LIE.

Whatever claims BSCP and BMPAP have are mostly for survival in business competition. Many of the statements are baloney anyways and all of us know that. BSCP has chosen to do business in its partnership with Raya Sports to step out of its mandate and go into business. This disguise is insulting our intelligence. I don't think Makabenta and company even have salaries working for BSCP. What is his motivation for sticking it out with BSCP with a court case and all the absence in sacrifices that is due the Filipino pool player?

Raya Sports has to use BSCP accreditation!!!

Again, I boldly predict: If and when the World 10-Ball of Raya will be successful, all these people behind BSCP will drop this NSA like a hot potato because they will have no use for its accreditation. What will these people do with BSCP when its (headache) mandate is to handle only amateur players and tournaments and to select players for national teams? Without taking advantage of WPA accreditation, it is actually a limiting and compromising position to be in as a producer of local and international tournaments. Upgrading WPA accreditation to an affiliate tournament organizer like Matchroom Sports' WPC is definitely a more prestigious accreditation that will not need BSCP anymore.

The WPA statement needs to recognize this distinction between pro and amateur in how they accredit organizations. If, in a country, a single association handles both amateur and professional, then there will be no problem. WPA also has to recognize the flaw of how accreditation can unjustly be used in a member country. They have no audit in that. This Philippine problem is a signal for WPA to give things a second hard look and do something about potential conflict of this nature in other countries. The statement asking factions to settle their differences is too weak a course of action to take because it is obvious that reforms are in order.

What compounds problems is that in reality, almost all the tournaments in our sport are professional in nature. We are not even a member sport in the Olympics! To side with the current policies and rules of WPA (this "siding" with an amateur organization) is probably traditional, but it will definitely not solve this Philipine problem, as in many other countries.

 

[JAM]

This just in...

Four slots in World 10-Ball up for grabs in BSCP tilt

Four slots in the inaugural World Ten-Ball tournament on September will be up for grabs in the 3rd Billiards and Snooker Congress of the Philippines (BSCP) National Pool Championship.

Eliminations for the event will be held at the Star Billiards Center in Quezon City while the finals shall take place from August 26-31 at the Rizal Memorial Stadium in Malate, Manila.

Antonio "Ga-Ga" Gabica and Taiwanese Wu Chia-Ching already won slots in the World Ten-Ball tournament after successful stints in the Philippine Pool Tour legs in Mandaluyong and Puerto Princesa, respectively.

Gabica will see action with Marlon Manalo, the 2005 World Pool Championship 3rd placer; Jeffrey de Luna, the 2007 Manny Pacquiao International 9-Ball champion; and the young Jericho Ba?ares, the reigning Philippine Junior Champion as they chase the P400,000 winner's purse.

Prize money down to the 32nd placer will be given. The event is open to all Filipino players.

Other notable players who will be vying for the national title are: Leonardo Andam, Fidel Punzalan, Leonardo Didal, Edgar Acaba, Mario Tolentino, Elvis Calasang, Luis Saberdo, James Al Ortega, Alex Nobleza, Raymond Faraon and 14-year-old Jonas Magpantay, among others.

Alex "The Lion" Pagulayan won the first BSCP National Pool Championships in 2006, followed by Lee Vann "The Slayer" Corteza the succeeding year.

Is this a qualifier for the WPA-sanctioned WPC 10-ball championship?

Is that why it is limited to Filipino players only?

I wish the U.S. would have an American-only tournament. I cannot think of one time when any tournament in the United States was restricted to Americans only. :frown:

Or, in the alternative, MAYBE the BSCP is trying to let the Filipino people know that they are inviting ALL Filipinos to compete, including the ones that are on the other side of the political pool fence right now.

 

[sputnik]

Didn't we just read in their statement in this thread Argument #3:

"The BSCP's position on this issue is clear. To be included in the selection process, the BMPAP players have to be reintegrated into the BSCP system. As a minimum requirement for this, players who publicly denounced the BSCP leadership for alleged corruption and abuses should individually either retract their charges or file their complaints before the Philippine Olympic Committee (POC). "

After insulting the players of BMPAP short of saying that they are stupid enough to be used by BMPAP, they come up with this "invitation" to their 10-Ball tournament. After stealing glory from the BMPAP players' accomplishments by claiming credit for their success, BSCP will again propell them to further greatness by letting them join the World 10-ball tournament! Then they dangle their prize money to try to get public apology.

Ronnie Alcano had tears in his eyes when he testified in the Senate that BSCP shouted at him and drove him out the door during their qualifiers at Star Paper. This is a world champion who said that everywhere he goes, fans come to him for autographs. But in BSCP, he was rudely driven away the compound and soon after, he was attacked with evil text messaging regarding his personal life.

They expect Ronnie to salivate over their prize money?!!!

This just goes to show that BSCP has WPA accreditation but they do not have the credibility (without the BMPAP world champions). They need the champions but they just cannot control their arrogance. That statement demanding players to practically kneel to them in apology is really just quite very BSCP.

Sponsors will surely look for the likes of Efen Bata Reyes, Django Bustamante, Alex Pagulayan, Ronnie Alcano, Dennis Orcullo, Roberto Gomez, Joven Bustamante, Lee Van Corteza, etc.

Hey but who knows... BMPAP might just join their 10-ball tournament if they publicly apologize for all the horrible text messages (obviously from their camp), unfairness, cruelty (to Ronnie and Alex) to start with.

 

[BlowFish]

September is so close and someone is running out of time. Fingers will be pointed regardless of the outcome of WTBC and/or WPC (happening in Manila). This is not only about BSCP/RAYA and BMPAP. This is bigger than just about Philippine Pool. A lot are at stake. This is just a smokescreen as to what it really is.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

Hey but who knows... BMPAP might just join their 10-ball tournament if they publicly apologize for all the horrible text messages (obviously from their camp), unfairness, cruelty (to Ronnie and Alex) to start with.

that would be a first in Philippine politics.

 

[pro9dg]

World 10 ball

Who is sponsoring this event? Surely, companies cannot be queueing up to plough money into this bogus tournament?
Only the BMPAP players can give it credibility. European and Asian names don't fill arenas.
International players should ensure that the WPA have locked down the prize money before spending their own cash.

 

[JAM]

Who is sponsoring this event? Surely, companies cannot be queueing up to plough money into this bogus tournament?
Only the BMPAP players can give it credibility. European and Asian names don't fill arenas.
International players should ensure that the WPA have locked down the prize money before spending their own cash.

Please enlighten our dear readers, pro9dg.

Pray tell, who is sponsoring this event? Inquiring minds may want to know! :smile:

JAM

 

[bandido]

So what is the root of all this? Like the good Senator Nene Pimentel said " it's that five letter word, M-O-N-E-Y!

Putch Puyat, Jonathan Sy or Perry Mariano? I don't think that any possible earning from pool is even a full percent of what they make from their long existing personnal businesses.

What about Yen Makabenta? Why does he put everything on the line? Is it because RAYA Sports and Events is his ONLY source of income?

Now you guys tell me, specially the ones that are aware that nobody makes big bucks in this sport, who really means well for the sport? The one who makes it as his bread and butter or the ones who don't want anybody telling them how to love the sport and give back to it?

 

[sputnik]

Who is sponsoring this event? Surely, companies cannot be queueing up to plough money into this bogus tournament?
Only the BMPAP players can give it credibility. European and Asian names don't fill arenas.
International players should ensure that the WPA have locked down the prize money before spending their own cash.

BSCP should be okay because they eliminated Matchroom from the picture to come up with their 10-ball stuff. They don't have to buy the event anymore which is actually a good thing for the Philippines. It will also be good for Matchroom in a sense because they will not get paid late anymore.

I just do not know if they still can get support from the government because the least they could have done in gratitude was to instantly clear and explain the P10M from PAGCOR. I think they still have their current sponsors.

But yes, WPA should look into that purse and make sure that it is guaranteed in an international level. Locally, the now infamous Games and Amusement Board will see to it that there is indeed prize money. (Now, tell me, how can the GAB be bad for all professional sports?!!!)

 

[JAM]

...Now you guys tell me, specially the ones that are aware that nobody makes big bucks in this sport, who really means well for the sport? The one who makes it as his bread and butter or the ones who don't want anybody telling them how to love the sport and give back to it?

Bandido, you know me well enough to know that I will always have the players' well-being and interests in my thoughts and opinions.

That said, sometimes the players know which side of the bread is getting buttered. :wink:

The situation in Philippines is quite unique, having the government involved. It is a concept that is difficult to fathom, considering the government here in my country couldn't and wouldn't give a hill of beans for pocket billiard sports. :frown:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

LONG LIVE ALEX PAGULAYAN.
SUPPORT FILIPINO PLAYERS.
DO THE RIGHT THING AND SUPPORT ALEX!

JAM

 

[bandido]

DO NOT OVERLOOK THIS! Yen just needs to hold on up to this point. He makes it, World 10 Ball Ch., he can then drop the BSCP and all the associated restrictions of an NSA. He becomes the Barry Hearn of Asia and RAYA becomes the Matchroom of Asia.

To sum things up:


Whatever claims BSCP and BMPAP have are mostly for survival in business competition. Many of the statements are baloney anyways and all of us know that. BSCP has chosen to do business in its partnership with Raya Sports to step out of its mandate and go into business. This disguise is insulting our intelligence. I don't think Makabenta and company even have salaries working for BSCP. What is his motivation for sticking it out with BSCP with a court case and all the absence in sacrifices that is due the Filipino pool player?

Raya Sports has to use BSCP accreditation!!!

Again, I boldly predict: If and when the World 10-Ball of Raya will be successful, all these people behind BSCP will drop this NSA like a hot potato because they will have no use for its accreditation. What will these people do with BSCP when its (headache) mandate is to handle only amateur players and tournaments and to select players for national teams? Without taking advantage of WPA accreditation, it is actually a limiting and compromising position to be in as a producer of local and international tournaments. Upgrading WPA accreditation to an affiliate tournament organizer like Matchroom Sports' WPC is definitely a more prestigious accreditation that will not need BSCP anymore.


[/B]

Yen and company needs to control the Filipino Players in order to gain the above reputation!!! After that they drop all promises of financial support to players in their PBDF that they pirated from BMPAP Managers and they drop the lame duck NSA BSCP.

One BIG problem Yen!! No corporation here in the Philippines will pour in Sponsorship money into your event without our top Filipino Players!! That is the hard truth and that IS the reason why you have to use the BSCP.