staying at the table after shooting a safety

DelawareDogs said:
Okay, this thread is quite interesting to me, as there are obviously two totally different types of people out there; those who want to take a few seconds to check their work after delivering a defensive shot their opponent must deal with. And then those who apparently like to play safeties and then turn around and walk away after making an attempt to change the layout of the table without necessarily pocketing anything. (You can see my bias on the subject).
I'm assuming like amateur bowlers do when throwing a ball down the lane..... hey, don't even look at how many pins you got, so you can prepare mentally for the challenge of the next ball you have to throw. Just walk away....go back to your hamburgers and pepsi.

Players who do not check the effectiveness of their safety game, will probably not succeed in nailing that safety. And if they did make a good safety, how will they know? When the player misses? What if he grazed the locking ball on the way out.....? How the heck would you know how close it was in the first place if....... (drum roll) you didn't stop to look at it!?
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you're highlighting an exception, that doesn't work. What we old nagging hags are talking about is unnecessary actions but another player. Simple things that does not need to be done, it's like leaving the toilet seat up if you need an example.

To avoid leaving chalk dust all over the place just don't leave the chalk face down, this is not a big thing but one clearly out weighs the other.
Take you frustrations out in your corner, no one cares where you wanted to be or what you wanted to have happen (you don't stand at the self checkout and decide to make that call you had cause "it's still your turn at the machine"
You miss or played safe? unless it's absolutely necessary and pertains to the legality of the match kindly go to your seat, if the balls at rest happens to be only the way and you want to take a peak fine but you don't have to stop and break the other person rhythm and it's not up to you to decide what a person rhythm is.

And again, I love how people who are against the topic (or other things) so strongly feel that "well what the big deal" but they don't see "the big deal" from the other side, what's the big deal with you just going to your seat? And some people here are making it seem like they are the ice king and nothing bothers them when we all have out "thing" that we wish the other person did not do.
 
Simple reason: if I play a tough safety on my opponent, I have to stick around (not in his way) to check the layout like any referee would do because I'm going to be the ref when he will try to get out from the predicament.
 
rrick33 said:
Who says?

With your attitude, I'm betting people love to play head games with you. I'd probably enjoy the head games more than the match.
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Play all the head games you want. They don't bother me. I once played an entire match where my opponent stood at almost every pocket at which I played a shot. I never even noticed him. Only after the match was over, and my team asked why I hadn't said anything did I realized he had, in fact, been sharking me for the majority of the game.

Reading comprehension is the problem here. The question posed by the OP was "is it rude?" Not "does it bother you?" The fact is, it doesn't bother me. That doesn't make it any less rude.

I will say it's unsurprising the same crowd who has no problem with it is the very same crowd stating they'll use every sharking technique they know will bother their opponent if given the chance. Has to make a person wonder how confident you are in your game if the first thing popping into your head is "how can I shark my opponent?"

Do whatever you've gotta do to win, I suppose.
 
DelawareDogs said:
I agree with Jason. If people are all getting bent out of shape about every little thing their opponent or another player in the room is doing.... don't go to any major tournaments. That stuff is the norm for seasoned players.
And for some people saying "oh I hate it when B player check the rack" well.... it's probably because they saw an A player do it once or twice, asked them about it, and said "hmm, makes sense to me".
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I agree with you agreeing with Jason. :yes:
 
Banks said:
Calling it rude doesn't make it so. Sorry.
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Touché.

However, calling it rude is, as we've seen, a matter of opinion not a statement of fact.

The fact is your turn does not last until you decide to leave the table. By your logic, and your admission in this thread, my turn then does not start until I approach the table (which it does not, it begins when your turn is over). Since you like a faster paced game, what If I waited two minutes to approach the table each time you've walked away? What if I waited five minutes?
 
ScottK said:
Touché.

However, calling it rude is, as we've seen, a matter of opinion not a statement of fact.

The fact is your turn does not last until you decide to leave the table. By your logic, and your admission in this thread, my turn then does not start until I approach the table (which it does not, it begins when your turn is over). Since you like a faster paced game, what If I waited two minutes to approach the table each time you've walked away? What if I waited five minutes?
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You should play with 7, since he feels that checking a safety every once in a while is equivalent to taking minutes to shoot. Since it's my turn, how about i go have a cig, get a beer, check the safety on the next table, then ask what group i am, before going into an hour long preshot routine?

It's literally a couple of seconds.

If this gets you two bent out of shape, you need help.

Wasting my time crying about a two second check of the occasional iffy safety is worse.

God forbid i have to tie my shoes, hike up my pants or get an itch.
 
Banks said:
You should play with 7, since he feels that checking a safety every once in a while is equivalent to taking minutes to shoot. Since it's my turn, how about i go have a cig, get a beer, check the safety on the next table, then ask what group i am, before going into an hour long preshot routine?

It's literally a couple of seconds.

If this gets you two bent out of shape, you need help.

Wasting my time crying about a two second check of the occasional iffy safety is worse.

God forbid i have to tie my shoes, hike up my pants or get an itch.
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I've already agreed with you once that it shouldn't get someone bent out of shape. I've also stated as much a second time.

The original question was not "does it bother you?" It was "is it rude?" My opinion is that it is, it still doesn't bother me. I don't even find it unacceptable during a match. However, regarding the question at hand my opinion is you should go STFD.
 
dabarbr said:
Seems like I read somewhere that it's still your table until five seconds has passed after the last ball stops rolling. Say a ball lays in the lip of the pocket it's still your turn if it falls within five seconds after it stops rolling. After those five seconds it then is put back at the lip of the pocket.
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I have never heard of a 5 second rule and I am not real sure how a ball is going to start rolling again after it stopped without an outside force influencing it. Maybe a split second after they have appeared to stop they settle just a tad, but 5 seconds? No, not going to happen. There are rules concerning settling/disrupted and typically the ball would be spotted or returned to it's position if it has an influence on the game, otherwise it is considered "natural".
 
Bottom line is that there isn't a true rule about walking away from the table when your shot is over. Not even for sharking...although you might need to watch your back later.

I don't think most people have a real issue with someone taking a peek at whether they really hooked you...but if you take excessively long, it just isn't cool...even if it is for psychological effect.

If someone feels this is OK to play this way, do it back to them until you can reach an agreement not to do this anymore.
 
ScottK said:
I've already agreed with you once that it shouldn't get someone bent out of shape. I've also stated as much a second time.

The original question was not "does it bother you?" It was "is it rude?" My opinion is that it is, it still doesn't bother me. I don't even find it unacceptable during a match. However, regarding the question at hand my opinion is you should go STFD.
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Okay. So here's where the conversation may go off the rails a little. Bear with me as I'll try to bring it back on track. The OP asked "is it rude"? You've expressed that as a matter of opinion. Awesome. You stated your opinion, sweet! By extrapolating on your straw man argument that someone waits between two and five minutes to get up to the table to take their shot (of which I have yet to see), I thought we were talking about if someone thinks it's rude or not? If something were rude, wouldn't it bother you? Otherwise you wouldn't think it was rude, right? You might assume that other people may perceive it as rude? ;)
My opinion: if someone stepping around the table to briefly look at a shot that they executed, because of it's defensive nature and relation to the outcome of the game, allows you to lose your big boy pants and throw a hissy fit all over the pool hall and AZ, you might want to ......how was it put...... STFD. Take up curling or something.:poke:

On the other hand if a player would like to stand in front of every pocket I'm shooting in because they can't find a chair (and some maturity) in an effort to shark me and try to get me to miss (which is unsportsmanlike to even the dirtiest gamblers) I may be obliged to throat punch them into their next league week. :thumbup:
See? Everyone agrees on something, and I hope I didn't put anyone to sleep. Love you all. Shoot well.
Dogs out.
 
jasonlaus said:
How do some of you even play the game? This is a shark, that is a shark, he looked at a ball, the chalk is upside down(disrespectful), he was looking at his phone, the player on the next table shot a ball, anybody in the room shot a ball, the second hand on my watch moved.....wtf is wrong with you people???

SERIOUSLY, WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE????
Jason
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Amen brother. The goal as a player is for YOU to deal with the distractions in a way that doesn't affect playing your top game, not change your opponent's behavior. They can do whatever they want and complaining about it implies you don't have control of the situation.

Am I unsharkable with veins of ice water? Hell no. Do I try every single time I play to get to an unsharkable state? Hell yes. Do I keep playing better and better because of that, yep. Don't sweat the small stuff.
 
jasonlaus said:
How do some of you even play the game? This is a shark, that is a shark, he looked at a ball, the chalk is upside down(disrespectful), he was looking at his phone, the player on the next table shot a ball, anybody in the room shot a ball, the second hand on my watch moved.....wtf is wrong with you people???

SERIOUSLY, WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE????
Jason
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Some people look for excuses.
 
Banks said:
Wasting my time crying about a two second check of the occasional iffy safety is worse.

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Had you said this in the start and not after someone else added it this all could of went off a lot smoother. But you've made your stand and although "we" agree or see things from both side you seem to insist on the "my view is right and what matters approach". But it's all good people disagree, it's life.
 
90% of the time I don't even glance at it because I have a gut feeling the safe I played is the nuts putting my opponent in jail :D

On a more serious note I may glance at the safe (in instances where I am making sure I get a legal hit on a rail that that will be a touchy shot)....but I won't linger over it for a long time after the shot is done. I don't think it is a big deal when someone does it to me. I mean literally we are talking about a few extra seconds here and there. If something as miniscule as that gets your panties in a bunch you may want to do a little self evaluation....or not and just continue to get mad lol.
 
7forlife said:
Had you said this in the start and not after someone else added it this all could of went off a lot smoother. But you've made your stand and although "we" agree or see things from both side you seem to insist on the "my view is right and what matters approach". But it's all good people disagree, it's life.
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Yeah, poo happens. Other than stuff like that, i can't remember the last time someone checked every safety, so that's the angle i was coming from. Easy to misunderstand things online. Played a guy a year ago that took almost two minutes on a standard shot, resetting and lining up with every possible mix of english. First time i ever began packing up before the 8 fell on the final rack. Guess i found out the hard way why my match started an hour late. :(

As Pink Floyd said, "All we need to do is keep talking."

Now, have you tried the swipe stroke? I kid, i kid. Have a good one.
 
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