I think you've hit the nail on the head, Hu! (groan). If all other things are equal, i.e. the tip, and the velocity of the cuestick; then the heavier pole should give a harder break.ShootingArts said:
Doc
Steel rod break cue
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Dawgie said:If you took a break cue and removed the tip and drilled a 3/32" hole in the center about 8" to 10" and dropped a steel rod set in glue and replaced the tip.
Would you think you would have a harder breaking cue?
The biggest problem would be massive deflection. I have no doubt that you could hit the rack, but, I doubt you could hit where your aiming. I don't think the loss of control would be worth it.
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ShootingArts said:
Your comparing apples and oranges with the hammer/nail analogy.
I think a better example is baseball, the guys with the faster swing (no matter what weight/size of the bat) tend to be power hitters that hit the long ball versus a slower swinging batter.
You cannot magically accelerate the cue ball to be faster than your stroke by using a heavier stick. Thats basic physic law 101, of a force will have an equal and opposite reaction (<----- that doesn't sound right, lol, trying to prove a point and I forget the exact wording of the law. lol) The cue ball can only go as fast as your stroke speed which is alot easier to obtain using a lighter stick.
-Kyle
you need to look at some graphs
Kyle,
You need to look at some graphs that links to were posted recently. I think the mpegs are from Dr. Dave but he and Bob Jewett were both in them if I am not mistaken. At impact the cue stick lost most forward momentum. This does strongly indicate that a heavier cue stick moving at the same speed would transfer more energy and more speed to the cue ball. The baseball doesn't compare well to pool since the bat always weighs many times what the ball does light or heavy and the bat's path is far less affected by the impact with a baseball than a cue stick is by the impact with a cue ball.
Perhaps some of the people with speed testing equipment can tell us how peak speed of the cue stick compares to peak speed of the cue ball but from what I see in the graphs, the speed isn't directly transferred. Although you are correct that the cue ball can't travel faster than the tip hitting it there are various ways to increase the speed transferred. Another Jewett test shows the phenolic tipped break sticks to be substantially more efficient at transferring energy than leather tipped ones. If the speed of the cue ball was equal to the speed of the tip at impact then it wouldn't matter what type of tip we used.
If we are dealing with a speed loss between break stick and cue ball then there has to be an optimum cue weight and construction for each person that imparts the most speed to the cue ball. The exact weight will vary depending on the person. Only when there is 100% speed transfer between the cue stick and cue ball is the mass of the two objects meaningless.
Hu
Kyle,
You need to look at some graphs that links to were posted recently. I think the mpegs are from Dr. Dave but he and Bob Jewett were both in them if I am not mistaken. At impact the cue stick lost most forward momentum. This does strongly indicate that a heavier cue stick moving at the same speed would transfer more energy and more speed to the cue ball. The baseball doesn't compare well to pool since the bat always weighs many times what the ball does light or heavy and the bat's path is far less affected by the impact with a baseball than a cue stick is by the impact with a cue ball.
Perhaps some of the people with speed testing equipment can tell us how peak speed of the cue stick compares to peak speed of the cue ball but from what I see in the graphs, the speed isn't directly transferred. Although you are correct that the cue ball can't travel faster than the tip hitting it there are various ways to increase the speed transferred. Another Jewett test shows the phenolic tipped break sticks to be substantially more efficient at transferring energy than leather tipped ones. If the speed of the cue ball was equal to the speed of the tip at impact then it wouldn't matter what type of tip we used.
If we are dealing with a speed loss between break stick and cue ball then there has to be an optimum cue weight and construction for each person that imparts the most speed to the cue ball. The exact weight will vary depending on the person. Only when there is 100% speed transfer between the cue stick and cue ball is the mass of the two objects meaningless.
Hu
YaktyYak said:
manwon said:
Exactly...years ago, I played with a cue that had a shaft with a steel rod down the center, if you shot with this cue the guy would bet you whatever you couldn't make an easy shot, the squirt/deflection was Laughable...great gimmic cue.
In most cases with zero flex and a hard stroke, say goodbye to the felt in short order as well.