STROKE TIMING … A Complete MythBusting Study of Stroke Acceleration Effects

... Given his credentials as a player and analyst in commentary I put a lot of weight in his words.
I put more weight into watching Ronnie in competition. I have done that recently. He looks at the object ball last. I can't say that's true for all shots or all types of shots but on the shots that required careful aim -- and the camera showed his eye pattern -- he was looking at the object ball last.
 
still say that point/objective of the video should have been made more emphasized and more should have been done to emphasize the reasons why good timing is advocated (even tho its doesnt afftect tip contact time as well presented in the video)

I understand your point. I should have made this more clear earlier in the video. But again, I do mention in the video and link to the resource pages (with videos and articles dedicated to the topic) that cover the importance of "good timing" in detail:

 
I put more weight into watching Ronnie in competition. I have done that recently. He looks at the object ball last. I can't say that's true for all shots or all types of shots but on the shots that required careful aim -- and the camera showed his eye pattern -- he was looking at the object ball last.
I shoot CBL. It's what I'm developing. I don't look to the Hendrys or RO's well- maybe the Gorsts; for affirmation but inasmuch as CBL works and works over distance and proves its validity shot after shot, I need to ask if you're willing to do an analysis of the differences referenced to all shot types.
 
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Yes! and finish the quote.
Ronnie; "No, I don't even know. I suppose, it's meant to be the object ball, but I sometimes I find myself looking at the white."
That's a 10 year old quote, in a much more recent post Stephen Hendry includes Ronnie in his statement. Given his credentials as a player and analyst in commentary I put a lot of weight in his words.

Great players, going back to Willie Mosconi, have inaccurately described what they do.

You can put all the weight you care to in his words but photos of bothe Ronnie and Steven prove otherwise.

Lou Figueroa
 

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You gotta at some point check what you're shooting at. And once you've released the ball, you shouldn't waste the feedback of following it through collision and till it stops.
 
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Great players, going back to Willie Mosconi, have inaccurately described what they do.

You can put all the weight you care to in his words but photos of bothe Ronnie and Steven prove otherwise.

Lou Figueroa
OMG
I had overestimated your integrity. Or perhaps intelligence would be more accurate. 🤷‍♂️ l assume the flat earth society has members with intelligence but a lack of filters for ridiculous evidence. Which can then lead to flawed conclusions.
The 6 pictures you provide definitely show their eyes. Wow! Hard to imagine how you could....wait wait, OK had to check again and you do say prove and not evidence. Well your evidence is flawed in so many ways it's absurd.
Glad my earth is a ball and not a flap jack. 🤷‍♂️
 
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I had overestimated your integrity. Or perhaps intelligence would be more accurate. 🤷‍♂️ l assume the flat earth society has members with intelligence but a lack of filters for ridiculous evidence. Which can then lead to flawed conclusions.
The 6 pictures you provide definitely show their eyes. Wow! Hard to imagine how you could....wait wait, OK had to check again and you do say prove and not evidence. Well your evidence is flawed in so many ways it's absurd.
Glad my earth is a ball and not a flap jack. 🤷‍♂️

I think any reasonable person -- who is a pool player -- can tell from those photos (or many others), their eyes are on the OB.

If their eyes were on the CB their gaze would be considerably lower, towards their cue tip or shaft. But clearly that's not the case.

How about instead of an insult you provide photos that show the contrary?

Lou Figueroa
 
Okay, the earth is not flat but you can find flat places on it. 🤷‍♂️ Most players have heard of, no wait, most "top" players" have heard of Poverty Flats. 🤷‍♂️ I rest my case. :tongueout:
So the score for Majority of the minority (in my book) now sits at 2.5 to 2.5. With...
Willie Hoppe
Stephen Hendry
Vs
Willie Mosconi
Efren Reyes
With Ronnie on the net(so to speak).
Gotta wonder if Vegas would book a bet on an answer outright from the current GOAT.
Either way it's just a sweat bet for me. Make it a donate to charity.
Gotta love the discussion of imaginary match ups. I gotta take the 2 that probably don't even know where they look. They probably guide them to the tables and point them. Maybe even explain why they hit the white and not the colored. Oooops no pun intended. 🤷‍♂️
Looks like a level playing field to me.
Dr? Will you referee?
My betting limit is whatever I have in my pocket. Pretty sure I got it from Cole. 😉
I just reloaded yesterday so around $500 to favorite charity, is my offer. Gotta hope for a raise. Right am I right?
 
So I am betting that Ronnie Doesn't (just like craps) know where he looks either.
Putting him on the looking at the white as you Smack it side and a 3-2 victory. Wanna play? Some 😉
 
You heard 'em, Say it, Your Honor.
The prosecutors say that Willie Hoppe and Stephen Hendry don't know where they look. It's in the evidence. In print and in this very thread . So with Ronnie on video saying it as well.
I claim uh whatever they call it to ask the judge. I win! Right?
 
How about instead of an insult you provide photos that show the contrary?
Oh Shit! Are you serious?
Frivolous your honor, is my response.
The still photo shows nothing regarding where they have eyes focused at impact. Sir, oops must be having a flashback to Cadet Court ....I scored 4 appearances in a year and a half. Almost on a first name basis with the presiding Major.
Give up? Nah not Lou.
 
I shoot CBL. It's what I'm developing. I don't look to the Hendrys or RO's well- maybe the Gorsts; for affirmation but inasmuch as CBL works and works over distance and proves its validity shot after shot, I need to ask if you're willing to do an analysis of the differences referenced to all shot types.
Does it really matter that much?
I have played eight ball where, after lining up for the shot, all the players closed their eyes for the stroke.
I've also made shots and realized afterwards that during the stroke my eyes weren't really focused on anything specific.
 
The point is that you can get to the same place with a normal stroke that gets the tip into the ball along the same line and with the same speed.

However, thinking "gotta decelerate" may prepare you differently mentally for a shot that you would normally hit too hard. Then it might be useful to you.
Exactly. What's most important for the player is to know what it feels like to do it successfully, whatever it is they're trying to accomplish on a shot. So their frame of reference may feel like they're decelerating. I know mine is that way with kill shots. It feels like I'm decelerating, although it may very well be closer to constant. Another important feel is the feel of a slow backstroke. To many amateurs who have difficulty taking their cue back slowly, I've often had to tell them to take the cue back "excruciatingly slow." In video replay after doing that, they're surprised to see it's not as slow as it felt.

Also, it's good to be able to know what reality is as well, so we don't pass along inaccurate information as fact --- although I'll still have to tell those speedy backstroke players to take back their cues excruciatingly slow.
 
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The orthodox teaching is that this is very, very bad technique. Or at least lazy and also harmful on long shots.
What is your opinion on the focus being on the peripheral vision image of the cue? So basically, look at OB (as a whole), but pay attention to the peripheral vision of your cue going in a straight line. A bit unorthodox for sure, but by how much, I don't know. I do this because I don't know where the point I'm hitting is, the OB/CB overlap is all I perceive to be correct and then just stroke straight forward.
 
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