Top players strokes are just purer all around. Straighter, more flowing with no jerks and spot-on tip-to-cb application.
Stroke with no acceleration versus stroke with acceleration
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boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
Here I am, a mere mortal on the table having to play mind games with myself to keep my stroke pure.
You've heard about people thinking/saying "Ladies and Gentlemen" when stroking the CB. I've started saying "Pro Grade Stroooooke." The cadence is different but it's like a pep talk and reminder on each shot. Keeps me from getting the yips. And the drawn out stroooooke part keeps me from rushing the transition from back to forward on the final stroke.
It's kind of silly how mental this game is. Sometimes you gotta coax your body into not doing stupid s###!
If it works it ain't a placebo now is it?
True.
But we can amend to note the countless players who cannot execute draw, both straight back and to a precise distance for shape, because they hit the cue ball hard, inaccurately (having been told their chief thought should be acceleration rather than a smooth stroke).
The "oomph" or conscious acceleration for most strokes IMHO should be for the first bit of the forward stroke (to change direction or get it going from a standing start if one has a long pause to complete the backstroke).
So if someone uses a 7-inch bridge, I tell them to put on the jets for the first inch or so only then let the cue stick glide/coast/accelerate/follow through, whatever you want to call it, without conscious effort. Without the conscious effort except for this early "go phase", longer backstrokes/bridges create automated speed control.
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
I just had one last night! I'm on the 9. It was near the side pocket. I cut the 9 into the center of the side pocket. I'm thinking I'll sent the CB down to the end rail at the first diamond and back out to the center of the table, kind of a 2 rail, no way to scratch. 9B splits the side pocket, CB touches the rail about 1 inch from the side, it goes so deep and close to the corner pocket, 2 rails around and rolls at pocket speed in a direct bee line for the side. I actually think it took that CB 3 minutes to scratch in that side, but it sauntered up to the same pocket the 9 went in and just trickled over the edge into the center of the pocket.
I've never seen anything like it. I mean, the scratch was there from the beginning of time but how on earth... I could try to replicate that shot 100 times and probably not make it once.
That CB can sometimes grow legs at the most inopportune moments.
Guy Manges
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I believe the young Chinese players prove this...
Yep. Same with putting. The accel. phase is earlier than you'd think. Club/cue is coasting thru impact.
I think coasting happens breaking too. Its just that the accel. phase is earlier and much more aggressive than on standard shots making it appear as if accel. is still happening at impact.
A feather stroke is the easiest way to imagine a decelerating stroke. Its a pulled punch stroke for you fighters.
Zero stroke means the average velocity over the shot length and time is zero. The same as saying the stroke has constant velocity.
A constant velocity stroke is more of a push to roll the ball.
A positive stroke rolls and has other effects on the ball. Acceleration is transferred in the horizontal direction while the vertical forces create the magic cueball effects.
The best trick shot artists apply the correct stroke force to be successful.
Pool players prioritize shot making. My stroke was lacking so I retooled it with a trick discipline.
Zero stroke means the average velocity over the shot length and time is zero. The same as saying the stroke has constant velocity.
A constant velocity stroke is more of a push to roll the ball.
A positive stroke rolls and has other effects on the ball. Acceleration is transferred in the horizontal direction while the vertical forces create the magic cueball effects.
The best trick shot artists apply the correct stroke force to be successful.
Pool players prioritize shot making. My stroke was lacking so I retooled it with a trick discipline.
If you want to get an idea of what your stroke velocity/acceleration looks like check out the QMD3 digital stroke trainer/analyzer. In this example the cue is starting to 'coast' right before contact with the cue ball. The flat area in the middle of the stroke is the pause.
A robot could theoretically, perfectly execute any shot with a constant velocity, the acceleration is simply to keep the the tension out of the arm and keep the cue on the intended path.
SeniorTom
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I ordered this device from Seyberts and it should help me with my stroke accuracy, and hopefully acceleration. I think acceleration is something you want to keep consistent and smooth.
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Buddy Hall Cue Guide
Improve your stroke by developing muscle memory. This simple aid will help you keep your stroke straight, your arm and cue working as one unit. The rotating rear foot gives you four different angles to practice your stroke. Use the Cue Guide in the privacy of your own home on a pool table, or...
Any decent stroke contains acceleration and with most all good ones the accel. phase is done fairly early with more coasting than you'd think. Shoot some 6-7foot straight-ins and try to center cut it and park whitey. Your stroke will have to be pretty pure to do this with any consistency.I ordered this device from Seyberts and it should help me with my stroke accuracy, and hopefully acceleration. I think acceleration is something you want to keep consistent and smooth.
Buddy Hall Cue Guide
Improve your stroke by developing muscle memory. This simple aid will help you keep your stroke straight, your arm and cue working as one unit. The rotating rear foot gives you four different angles to practice your stroke. Use the Cue Guide in the privacy of your own home on a pool table, or...
SeniorTom
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"Shoot some 6-7 foot straight-ins and try to center cut it and park whitey"
I think I understand that you mean stun the cue ball and have it stop in place where it hits the ob. Great indicator ! and not as easy as it seems.
All strokes accelerate at first, or they wouldn't move at all (I know you know that
).Also try stop shots from different distances and vary either the tip height or stroke speed (but not both) to make each distance work. Over time you'll figure out whether tip height or stroke speed is the best "control" for you.
pj
chgo
I ordered this device from Seyberts and it should help me with my stroke accuracy, and hopefully acceleration. I think acceleration is something you want to keep consistent and smooth.
Buddy Hall Cue Guide
Improve your stroke by developing muscle memory. This simple aid will help you keep your stroke straight, your arm and cue working as one unit. The rotating rear foot gives you four different angles to practice your stroke. Use the Cue Guide in the privacy of your own home on a pool table, or...
Buddy is a monster player and somebody I haven't heard anything criminal about unlike some of the grand gentlemen of the game. However stroking in a tube is bad practice. The reason is simple, it takes a very contrived stroke to take the vertical out and to no purpose. Form a vertical slot, with two hardcover books for example, put a target where you can see it and stroke away. The vertical component at each end of your stroke does no harm. Only a few inches at the cue ball matters. Most of us wasted time and harmed our stroke practicing with longnecked bottles trying to stroke perfectly straight.
Responding to a handful of posts, coasting with a pool cue is evil! Looking at coasting alone, our stroke needs the support of contracting muscles. We get this by trying to accelerate through the cue ball.
Accelerate, transition, coast. That state between accelerating and coasting is a huge issue. How many sports and activities advocate follow through? Follow through after contact does only one thing, prevents transition before contact.
There are many muscles in the arm although we often only consider the primary muscles. These muscles never transition perfectly evenly and this is where our comparison to a robot breaks down. A machine has support and can be easily adjusted if need be. We don't have these same luxuries with our muscles.
Using an open bridge, shoot a medium speed shot of moderate difficulty and stop two inches past the cue ball. A machine can easily do this ten thousand times remaining straight within thousandths of an inch from start to stop. Did anyone try this only ten times without obvious errors? We are vastly superior to machines but we also have issues they don't have.
Until we can transition perfectly and provide directional support while coasting remaining in a steady state is better. Since all strokes start with acceleration, going through the cue ball with acceleration seems best. I once experimented with an early burst of acceleration and maintaining a steady speed but was unable to do so. I can't say if the muscles provide adequate support in this state or not. Still a transition involved though not as great of one.
Hu
By no pause do you mean once you get down on the shot and start stroking the cue you never stop the cue again until the shot is over??
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