Stun-Run through

[CantEverWin]

I've heard the term Stun-Run through semi often. I have read it's definition in a book before, even though its meaning escapes me at the time. I was wondering if someone could give me a few examples of shots in which it is used, and also situations, or reasons for using it. Thank you very much for your responses.

Mike

 

[sprons]

I is used when playing a shot that you don't want to play softly, but the white ball can't travel too much distance.
example: a long distance shot, when te cueball can only travel a foot forward.
sorry, but my english is not so good

 

[Tommy-D]

> The technique you describe is a pure center-ball stroke,and is used to "punch" the cue ball forward,as opposed to maybe having to slowly follow the cue ball,in a lot of situations it can be more easily controlled than a follow shot,and more accurate. The cue ball slides across the cloth,makes contact with the object ball on a nearly straight in shot just as or slightly before the cue ball starts to roll naturally,and goes forward,but more slowly and with less distance traveled after the hit. Tommy D.

 

[Gerry]

Play more straight pool, and you will become intimate with the stun run thru! You can tell a player is in stroke when they are hitting this shot well.

Gerry

 

[Colin Colenso]

The Stun-Run Through, or just Stun Through as some refer to it, basically means that the CB on impact with the OB has some topspin component but less than the spin:speed ratio of a naturally rolling or pure topspin shot.

It has several applications, the most common of which is stunning through a few inches on a stun shot, rather than playing the slow roll.

But it can also be commonly used on cut shots to alter the direction the CB takes after the collision. Depending on the speed and degree of stun through / follow, the CB can be made to travel at any angle between the natural roll through angle and the 90 degree pure stun angle.

Another common application is using stun through to widen the CB angle after a pot. A near straight on pot, if hit with power and stun through can be moved forward the length of the table, but 2 feet wider than the path it would have taken with roll through.

These are shots that most players never learn to control well. Accurate stun through control is a sign of an experienced and quality player.

btw: There is also what is refered to as the stun-back shot, which is when draw is played without a high ratio of backspin to speed.

By combining control of stun through and stun back, the full range of CB angle and speed options are added to your game.

Sorry no time for diagrams right now.

Colin

 

[jjinfla]

The stroke is a stop shot.

The cue tip placement on the CB is slightly above center.

A very pretty shot indeed.

Jake

 

[Gregg]

I've heard the term Stun-Run through semi often. I have read it's definition in a book before, even though its meaning escapes me at the time. I was wondering if someone could give me a few examples of shots in which it is used, and also situations, or reasons for using it. Thank you very much for your responses.

Mike

This tape, among a whole lot of other things, illustrates stun run through very well, and also describes why it is commonly used. I feel for anybody who enjoys the game who has not seen this or his Vol. one tape as well. Vol. one is very basic, but still reinforces some important concepts.

 

[Andrew Manning]

I've heard the term Stun-Run through semi often. I have read it's definition in a book before, even though its meaning escapes me at the time. I was wondering if someone could give me a few examples of shots in which it is used, and also situations, or reasons for using it. Thank you very much for your responses.

So you're playing 8-ball, and you're stripes. You want to make the 14 and shoot the 8, but you've got a narrow gap to fit through for the 8, and you're on a tight table with old cloth, so you don't want to slow-roll the 14 a long way to the bottom-left corner, fearing it might roll off.

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You pocket the 14 firmly with a smooth, confident stroke, and a just-barely-above-center hit on the cue ball, it slides up toward the 14 and starts developing a tiny amount of forward roll just before contact. This tiny amount of forward roll makes the cue ball follow one revolution or so, and you can shoot through the gap for the easy 8 in the side.

That's one example of when, why, and how it would be used in a game.

-Andrew

 

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Instead of rolling this, I hit a little above center then stroke thru the ball.
The cueball will inch slow to the end rail.
If I roll it, I have less control of the speed.

 

[Cuebacca]

I've heard the term Stun-Run through semi often. I have read it's definition in a book before, even though its meaning escapes me at the time. I was wondering if someone could give me a few examples of shots in which it is used, and also situations, or reasons for using it. Thank you very much for your responses.

Mike

Hi Mike, Thanks for asking this question. I was wondering the opposite the other day... couldn't remember if I knew what the name of this shot was called.

The Stun-Run Through, or just Stun Through as some refer to it, basically means that the CB on impact with the OB has some topspin component but less than the spin:speed ratio of a naturally rolling or pure topspin shot.

Hey Colin (or anyone), does the CB spin have to be between rolling and sliding at impact for it to count as a stun-run-through? I mean, if the same exact stroke is used, but the OB is a little further away, such that the CB spin has evolved into roll by the time of impact, is this still considered a stun-run-through shot? If not, what would be the term for this? Just a "run-through"?

Thanks.

 

[Colin Colenso]

Hey Colin (or anyone), does the CB spin have to be between rolling and sliding at impact for it to count as a stun-run-through? I mean, if the same exact stroke is used, but the OB is a little further away, such that the CB spin has evolved into roll by the time of impact, is this still considered a stun-run-through shot? If not, what would be the term for this? Just a "run-through"?

Thanks.

As far as I'm concerned it makes no sense to try to describe a stun run through as requiring a certain type of stroke or tip contact point on the cue ball.

The only definition that makes sense is the resultant stun through effect, which occurs when the CB hits the OB while it has a component of topspin, though not in the same ratio as natural roll.

A stun through can start out being hit with maximum bottom spin, such that the spins wears of before contacting the OB. Though commonly it is played around center ball at a speed where the cloth friction adds a little topspin to the CB on its way to the OB.

When shooting a stun through firm from a close distance, you actually need to hit the CB above center to apply a component of topspin to the CB.

Hope that makes sense.

Colin

 

[AuntyDan]

The *best* thing about this shot is (when you get it right) you can yell "Respect my authoritiiiiii" as the object balls slaps hard into the back of the pocket.

When you get it wrong you look like just another too-hard-hitting amatuer of course, although for some players this can be a useful tactic.

 

[Cuebacca]

Thanks for the reply. I think my mentioning "stroke" resulted in a poorly worded question.

From the descriptions of a "stun-run-through", it sounds like a requirement is that the cue ball spin has not quite been rubbed into a natural roll by the time it makes contact with the object ball.

For example, you said,

The only definition that makes sense is the resultant stun through effect, which occurs when the CB hits the OB while it has a component of topspin, though not in the same ratio as natural roll.

My question is, what if the object ball were a little further away, such that the CB spin/speed ratio has reached that of natural roll? Would this still be called a stun-run-through? Or would the general term for this be just a "run-through"? (Or just called a failed attempt at a stun-run-through? )

Thanks

 

[steev]

Would this still be called a stun-run-through? Or would the general term for this be just a "run-through"? (Or just called a failed attempt at a stun-run-through? )

Thanks

then it would be called a follow shot. rolling CB == topspin.


-s

 

[Colin Colenso]

Thanks for the reply. I think my mentioning "stroke" resulted in a poorly worded question.

From the descriptions of a "stun-run-through", it sounds like a requirement is that the cue ball spin has not quite been rubbed into a natural roll by the time it makes contact with the object ball.

For example, you said,

My question is, what if the object ball were a little further away, such that the CB spin/speed ratio has reached that of natural roll? Would this still be called a stun-run-through? Or would the general term for this be just a "run-through"? (Or just called a failed attempt at a stun-run-through? )

Thanks

In that case, most would call it a type of drag shot. Which is often used to prevent the CB from rolling off on a level table.

You could also call it an undertstruck stun run through attempt.

But it's not really a stun run through, as the CB rolls through.

Colin

 

[Cuebacca]

then it would be called a follow shot. rolling CB == topspin.


-s

So there isn't a term to distinguish that type of shot from a regular follow shot (hitting high on the cueball and producing follow from the get-go)?

I understand the usefulness of the stun-run-through.

Is there a use for this type of follow shot that I described? Thanks.

 

[prolecat]

I've heard the term Stun-Run through semi often. I have read it's definition in a book before, even though its meaning escapes me at the time. I was wondering if someone could give me a few examples of shots in which it is used, and also situations, or reasons for using it. Thank you very much for your responses.

Mike

Just Watch Rob Saez

 

[Andrew Manning]

So there isn't a term to distinguish that type of shot from a regular follow shot (hitting high on the cueball and producing follow from the get-go)?

I understand the usefulness of the stun-run-through.

Is there a use for this type of follow shot that I described? Thanks.

I usually just call that a natural roll shot. Of course the vast majority of follow shots are done with a naturally rolling ball, but when I say follow, I usually mean hit with a high tip and firm speed to get it rolling immediately.

-Andrew

 

[steev]

as far as names go, i guess i don't have one, but how about drag-follow or drag-roll? really, it's a visual concept in my head, with no name.

-s

/and a fun shot to play...

 

[JoeyInCali]

as far as names go, i guess i don't have one, but how about drag-follow or drag-roll? really, it's a visual concept in my head, with no name.

-s

/and a fun shot to play...

Same here.
I can just feel that elbow dropping and tip following that cueball.