Stupid question, How do you fill out a bracket?

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todd2000

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So we have a little tournament at the local bar every week, lately it seems to be getting littler, but thats another story lol. Anyway they person who usually runs it asked me to run it a few weeks ago, and again tonight. The players picked numbers out of a cup, I numbered the brackets the way she told me to, and put the players who drew the corresponding numbers on the lines.

She is using a random draw bracket. Anyway someone was arguing with me that I numbered it wrong. Just going by what it says on the site I got the brackets from

"The first name drawn will go on the first blank line in the tournament bracket, the second name drawn will go on the second blank line. Continue this until all of the names have been drawn, and all of the blank lines have been filled."

And of course as I'm typing this I think I figured out the problem, blind draw should be names in a hat, numbers should be seeded, but really I don't see how her method is any less "blind" then names in a hat.

Brackets confuse me. Lol. This is how I filled it out.
 
Because everyone is equal in this event, it doesn't make any difference where you put the numbers as long as the players are drawn randomly. The numbers you wrote by the players have no relation to the printed numbers on the form.

In some other formats it would make a difference, but since you had a 10-player chart for 10 players it was more or less impossible to go wrong.
 
Well the picture is not main bracket? That is just part of a bracket. We could help more with a full view of the bracket. And if you did not have any Byes you just list top to bottom. But if there are Byes there is a format where they go on the bracket. But without a full view of what you used I really would only be guessing from the limited description.
 
wrickyb said:
Well the picture is not main bracket? That is just part of a bracket. We could help more with a full view of the bracket. And if you did not have any Byes you just list top to bottom. But if there are Byes there is a format where they go on the bracket. But without a full view of what you used I really would only be guessing from the limited description.
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Huh? Thats like 90% of the bracket a little is cut off, my main question was did I start it off right, as in numbering the lines/players 1-10? As for byes there were two #7 and #8.

He's trying to say that since the players pulled numbers, I should have used a seeded bracket, and blind draw should use names pulled out of a hat. My point is that names out of a hat or numbered pills, the end result is still random.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Because everyone is equal in this event, it doesn't make any difference where you put the numbers as long as the players are drawn randomly. The numbers you wrote by the players have no relation to the printed numbers on the form.

In some other formats it would make a difference, but since you had a 10-player chart for 10 players it was more or less impossible to go wrong.
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Well I numbered the bracket then had the players draw pills, and put them next to the number they drew. He is saying that I put the numbers in the wrong spot.
 
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If I had 10 entries.....I would use a 16 man double elimination chart...
....with 6 byes.

Write in the 6 byes first.
 
Those of us who dwell there prefer the term "one loss side", as we humbly do not consider ourselves to be losers.
 
pocket said:
Those of us who dwell there prefer the term "one loss side", as we humbly do not consider ourselves to be losers.
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I prefer 'going to the west side of the draw'....
....and if you go far enough west...
...you'll arrive from the east.
 
PT109 is correct the best bracket would be a 16 spot double elimination instead of what you used. With what you use there would have to be instructions on how to number it so you know who is getting the bye. With a 16 spot bracket there are definite places for the byes to be plugged in and the position numbering is better defined. I have never used the bracket you used so have not seen the instructions, which are important. Did the bracket come from a website? If so where?
 
todd2000 said:
Now you're just confusing me, can we stick to the bracket I printed? lol
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pt's point is if you don't put byes in the first round, you end up with someone getting a bye into the finals - which would make you as dumb as the DCC.

Dale
 
wrickyb said:
PT109 is correct the best bracket would be a 16 spot double elimination instead of what you used. With what you use there would have to be instructions on how to number it so you know who is getting the bye. With a 16 spot bracket there are definite places for the byes to be plugged in and the position numbering is better defined. I have never used the bracket you used so have not seen the instructions, which are important. Did the bracket come from a website? If so where?
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I got it from http://www.printyourbrackets.com. The way I'm reading it, it is a blind draw tournament, so matches AND byes are based on "luck of the draw" everyone is getting fixated on numbers, because that's how I picked players, if I just pulled names and wrote them on the lines like the site says maybe it wouldn't have caused as many issues.

Here is what they say to do, bolded the parts I think are relavent.

printyourbracket said:
A Blind Draw tournament is organized in a way that the players are not ranked based on previous results or experience. The match-ups are based solely on the luck of the draw.

The tournament usually begins by having a certain amount of players register for the tournament. Once the number of players or teams has been determined you will need to print the corresponding tournament bracket from below. Now you are ready to draw for the positions. The drawing can be done in various ways, we first recomment using our Tournament Matchup Randomizer for this. You can also use the "Hat Drawing" method. Place the name of each player or team in a hat, and begin drawing the names one at a time. The first name drawn will go on the first blank line in the tournament bracket, the second name drawn will go on the second blank line. Continue this until all of the names have been drawn, and all of the blank lines have been filled.
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pocket said:
Those of us who dwell there prefer the term "one loss side", as we humbly do not consider ourselves to be losers.
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Is anyone even looking at the sheet I posted? There were two byes, # 7 and 8, they didn't get byes into the finals, they played the winners of the first two matches. I'm so confused.
 
rjb1168 said:
This is what i used when running small tourny's, pulled the byes first and then let the players pick a number. This is as fair as you can be.

http://www.printyourbrackets.com/16seeded.html single

http://www.printyourbrackets.com/16seededdouble.html double
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Thought the whole point of seeded was if you were trying to arrange the matches based on skill level. So you pulled names for byes and numbers for the rest? Also what would be wrong with doing that, but using this instead. http://www.printyourbrackets.com/pdfbrackets/10teamDoubleSeeded.pdf
 
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