Super Pro Tips

I bought some of these & found that the one that I put on my playing Q, was the hardest tip that I had ever hit with. It souned like glass or ceramic. I cut it off after 1 game. Was this just a bad tip or is this typical???????...JER
 
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
I bought some of these & found that the one that I put on my playing Q, was the hardest tip that I had ever hit with. It souned like glass or ceramic. I cut it off after 1 game. Was this just a bad tip or is this typical???????...JER
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Thats how they all are...I've tried to tell people before that they are about the hardest hitting leather tip available. Gives your cue a "ping" like an aluminum ball bat. Some players for some reason think thats a quality sound. Nothing medium about them at all. Ok for a break cue but I sure wouldn't play with one. ;)
 
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
I bought some of these & found that the one that I put on my playing Q, was the hardest tip that I had ever hit with. It souned like glass or ceramic. I cut it off after 1 game. Was this just a bad tip or is this typical???????...JER
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Typical at first, Jerry. These are the only tips I have ever used or experienced that actually get softer as you play, rather than harder. I suspect it's from the adhesive used in lamination that hardens, then aquires some cushion quality as it wears. But honestly, i'm not sure why.

I break them in by pounding on them, then rescuffing. Once broken in they lose that sharp crystal feel but still retain the power. The feel becomes smooth & strong, but not sharp & edgy. They never become soft or even medium, but they do feel comfortable as hard. I relate them to a LePro that has been on for a few hundred hours of play & hardened, only these keep their chalk & shape. If you are interested in trying again, let me know & i'll toss a handful over to you.
 
Varney Cues said:
Thats how they all are...I've tried to tell people before that they are about the hardest hitting leather tip available. Gives your cue a "ping" like an aluminum ball bat. Some players for some reason think thats a quality sound. Nothing medium about them at all. Ok for a break cue but I sure wouldn't play with one. ;)
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That sound only lasts the first couple of hours until the tip is broken in. However, a good cue WILL resonate a tone that is audible & smooth, like a light ring noise when impacting the ball. It shouldn't sound like clicking or ticking, but more like a muffled "ring" that broom sticks make when bouncing on concrete. That's a sign of a solidly constructed cue, with structurally sound components, not a hard tip. Any other sound caused by a hard tip is only revealing a breakdown somewhere in the cue, be it a glue failure or material fault or construction flaw.

I agree, nothing medium about the tips. They are hard, and were sold to me direct from the distributor as hard. I'm not sure where the medium or medium hard ever came from. They do not hit any harder than standard water buffalo tips, though. I have installed several and played with every single one. There clearly is a sharp hardness at firt, but it soon mellows out to a smoother feel once broken in. The trick is getting past the initial edge.
 
I feel they are about the hardness of a good Le-Pro tip, only the hold chalk better and keep their shape!!! They also seem to spin the cueball better. I can shoot length of the table draw shots with tis tip easily, and that is with the object ball far from the cue ball. I feel that these are MH tips, but each will be their own best judge.
 
qbilder said:
That sound only lasts the first couple of hours until the tip is broken in. However, a good cue WILL resonate a tone that is audible & smooth, like a light ring noise when impacting the ball. It shouldn't sound like clicking or ticking, but more like a muffled "ring" that broom sticks make when bouncing on concrete. That's a sign of a solidly constructed cue, with structurally sound components, not a hard tip. Any other sound caused by a hard tip is only revealing a breakdown somewhere in the cue, be it a glue failure or material fault or construction flaw.

I agree, nothing medium about the tips. They are hard, and were sold to me direct from the distributor as hard. I'm not sure where the medium or medium hard ever came from. They do not hit any harder than standard water buffalo tips, though. I have installed several and played with every single one. There clearly is a sharp hardness at firt, but it soon mellows out to a smoother feel once broken in. The trick is getting past the initial edge.
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When I asked about these, before I bought them from you, you said "YOU WON'T BE DISAPPOINTED". I can't imagine playing with a tip that makes that sound. Believe me, I wish I had known that they were EXTREAMLY HARD. I've got plenty of good hard tips. This one ranks at the bottom. Maybe good for breaking, if you can put up with that "NOISE"...JER
 
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
When I asked about these, before I bought them from you, you said "YOU WON'T BE DISAPPOINTED". I can't imagine playing with a tip that makes that sound. Believe me, I wish I had known that they were EXTREAMLY HARD. I've got plenty of good hard tips. This one ranks at the bottom. Maybe good for breaking, if you can put up with that "NOISE"...JER
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Jerry, you never bought tips from me. I have never sold anything to you, so far as I know. I think you have me confused with the guy selling these things. I have never promoted these things to enhance anybody's sales, and using my name to do so is kinda rude. I don't make a big deal of it but I don't appreciate it. But anything I have said about the tips is to enlighten other builders of a product that could offer something different than the norm. I personally prefer a hard tip, and find these to be outstanding playing tips. As I said, the noise is gone once they are broken in. But I would never sell these things to anybody. I bought them for pennies per tip, and bought like a thousand of them. If somebody (other cuemaker interested in trying) wanted one i'd just give them some. So please do not confuse me with or associate me with anybody selling them.
 
qbilder said:
Jerry, you never bought tips from me. I have never sold anything to you, so far as I know. I think you have me confused with the guy selling these things. I have never promoted these things to enhance anybody's sales, and using my name to do so is kinda rude. I don't make a big deal of it but I don't appreciate it. But anything I have said about the tips is to enlighten other builders of a product that could offer something different than the norm. I personally prefer a hard tip, and find these to be outstanding playing tips. As I said, the noise is gone once they are broken in. But I would never sell these things to anybody. I bought them for pennies per tip, and bought like a thousand of them. If somebody (other cuemaker interested in trying) wanted one i'd just give them some. So please do not confuse me with or associate me with anybody selling them.
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SO SORRY; I double checked & they didn't come from you...JER
 
No biggie, Jerry. I figured it was a simple mistake. No harm from you, no foul. You must be pissed at somebody, huh? :) You are right, nothing soft or medium about them. I bought them direct & they were marketed as "hard". Go figure, water buffalo tips are hard anyway, so it only makes sense that laminated water buffalo will be hard.

But if you do want a few, just let me know & i'll send some. They honestly do make nice playing tips once the laminate glue frees up to a pliable consistency.
 
The name says It all to me because "Super Pro Hards" is the name I have always known them to be called by, but I have known about these tips for years. They do hit hard, have quite a ping sound, and one reason I like them as a break tip. For a playing tip I could shoot with one if I had to, and at one time preffered hard tips, but now days I like something alittle more on the medium side.

I just put one on a purple heart shaft, with a canvas ferrule. That noise sounds like a 1pc phenolic tip to Me. The difference is It's easier to keep control of the cueball and keep it in the middle of the table after the break.

In the past, I have probably mentioned that someone could use them on a playing cue if they really wanted to, and like the super hard tips for their player cue, but that to me they are best suited for breaking. Not My choice for a player, but I do like them for breaking when combined with the right setup. I use to use WB's for My leather break tips, and still do If requested, I've had a few of the corners break & chip out over the years. The black colored WB's seemed to be worse about that then the brown colored ones though.

One thing about the SPH tips, they hit so hard that It's a good way to check for any buzz in a cue. If the cue is not solid It will be heard & amplified, sounds like a shaft blank being bounced off a concrete floor, or even closer, As Varney mentioned sounds like a allloy bat when You hit the sweet spot.

I think the best part is the price, as Eric mentioned If You buy them wholesale and in volume they are cheaper then any other layered tip I know of.

Greg
 
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