Super Touchy Subject Men vs.Women in Pool
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Disregard. I get too invested in this conversation for some reason. I've always found it so interesting and that gets me into trouble.
Time to play some pool.
Have a good weekend AZ posters.
Willowbrook Wolfy
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I will simplify this. Even though light, the cue is still a weight. And the CB has mass too. The most force required to get something moving is from a standstill. So whoever has more force to start a forward swing has an exponential advantage over someone not creating as much force at the beginning of the forward stroke. A persons mass helps create force on the windup also. Males are usually heavier with more muscle mass/strength.
if a male and female are the same height and weight the man will be naturally stronger. The female could exercise to catch up but will start behind and have less strength potential. More strength equals ability to generate more force. It’s just a fact. If the man squats 200 and the woman 140. That means the man can generate 60/140 or 43% more force than the woman. Now if you assisted the lady at the bottom she could probably get 160 up after it’s moving. But that’s still not the 200 the guy is doing. And if did same for guy he’d be doing 220. Any way you spin it guy is able to exert more force. Muscle does matter in the break. You use legs, glutes, torso, arms and back in a break stroke. A regular stroke is just arm strength.
But you could also argue that the harder you hit a regular shot in relation to how hard you can hit one has an effect on shot outcome. So if a guy is shooting most shots at 20% of his top shot speed he will be more accurate than a lady shooting at 30% of her top shot speed.
Take a long straight shot as an example. Do you make it more shooting 50% speed or at full speed? It might not be by much, but to a point The less you use of what you got the more accurate your shot.
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SeniorTom
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It takes muscles to control any physical movement the body makes. Men are more muscular and would probably have a bit more control than women on average even in billiards. Even when it doesn't appear strength makes a difference, I think it does to a certain extent. For this reason I think men would have the advantage slightly. People are so afraid to talk about gender these days for fear of being ridiculed, but I just think the strength factor gives men the edge.
That’s the thing. Siming Chen could play on the US Mosconi team if she was American. It most certainly isn’t because she’s a muscular woman. If a dainty frame can get her game to that level, I think maybe something else is more important to one’s results.
Having strength and using it well to play pool are different skills. Russia and Putin have a superior sized force but always lose in Ukraine.
Same for men when it comes to academic challenges, they use the wrong muscles at the wrong time. That is why men always jump the gun early.
Same for men when it comes to academic challenges, they use the wrong muscles at the wrong time. That is why men always jump the gun early.
Would you ever use 1 person to prove a position when it comes to a nature/nuture type of conversation outside of this one?
I think most reasonable people would agree that women can play this game at a very high level. Siming is an interesting player because I was wrong about her to a degree. Over the years I was so impressed by the Fisher --> Corr --> Fisher lineage and how well they all played. To think an unknown player would come along and play significantly better than those 3 was hard to believe until I saw it. If someone came along and supposedly played 30 or 40 Fargo points better than Filler I would have to see that to believe it to.
Just saw a article today about a brain study that claimed to actually see specific differences between the sexes. I won't bother to link it as the media loves to run wild with speculation after a single study, then along comes the fine details.
I really think the burden of proof should lie with those that claim that men don't have any advantage. Which, just going back a few years -- I saw many take that position. It seems many are taking at least a more reasonable position now -- that men may have a small advantage. Prove to me that men have no advantage.
there will always be outliers and i would argue that her break is the main reason she has a fargo "among the men". kelly and han yu may shoot as straight, or slightly below, but they don't have that powerful break
Skog, then the perfect pool player would be a naturally borne Homosapien male, with naturally birth installed female parts.
I was responding to someone that was suggesting it's men's musculature that gives them an edge in their ability to exert control. Meanwhile across men and women's pool you don't see player skill levels stratified by muscular composition. You do see the top elite world champions showing proper attention to diet and exercise but that seems more an emphasis on health and preparation than "it takes muscles".
I'm saying if there is a nature-factor, muscles isn't the first place worth looking.
Flakeandrun
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I would say society plays an infinitely bigger reason than any genetic reason as to why there are more male than female 'elite' players. Scratching around pretending like there is physical differences that are creating a skill gap in a game like pool is utterly ludicrous to be honest. Said it before, I'll say it a thousand times over, there isn't a sport on earth where women are afforded the same opportunities, or given the same push as men. Not a sport on earth where young girls are perceived as, trained as, and taught to genuinely believe that they are competing on a level playing field. They are taught to live in a shadow, or stepped down version, of a male pursuit.
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Flakeandrun
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And it's only a touchy subject if you have a giant ego and a small penis 
The bolded part is clearly false, at least in the U.S. It's not 1960.
Gymnastics, volleyball, competitive dance, fastpitch softball. Need I go on?
Giving birth is a sport women dominate. Men need to be enhanced to compete at speed birthing or endurance birthing.
A pilot is needed for the first man to give birth to a test pilot baby.
Where should the pilot be from? Who can survive the upgrade?
Men do well in simulated pregnancy.
A pilot is needed for the first man to give birth to a test pilot baby.
Where should the pilot be from? Who can survive the upgrade?
Men do well in simulated pregnancy.
Flakeandrun
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I can't tell if you're joking or not
Please, do go on, cause so far this list has me creased up! Such a lucrative career available in the truly gripping sport of 'fastpitch softball' Just because "you don't see player skill levels stratified by muscular composition" as if we are all walking around as herculean comic book characters does NOT mean that muscular composition does not play a role in the game. It's just more difficult to discern than it would be in other more physical contests. Jay Helfert mentioned increasing your grip strength as one way to improve your game. Does that work? Who knows, but I bet it wouldn't hurt. I'd also bet that on average, men have greater grip strength than women. Even those men who are smaller in stature.
What physical qualities actually account for eye-hand coordination may not be totally known yet, but we should be slower to discount the strength variable when it comes to pool.
Flakeandrun
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Literally not the point of the thread, or really relevant? (would be fun to be jacked though I imagine) In fact, this whole topic is almost pointless given the subjective nature of an individuals genetics, coupled with the immense influence of manufactured gender beliefs and how they bias any and all discussions about difference in sex.
All that jerking off has paid dividends brothers
Unless it can be used to target a market... profitable, 'scientific analysis' (which is realistically the sole reason we really even contemplate or care about the difference now)... We won't ever truly 'know', nor will it ever really need to be relevant in the context of the societies that have been created around us, and which we are bound to.
There isn't a context on earth where 'grassroots' sport is treated in a truly neutral way that encourages everybody to take part equally. Gender and it's manufacture by society is too involved in the topic, and therefore how our sex influences performance is biased by this beyond true measure.
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In terms of hygiene, women bathrooms never have pee on the floor.
Men bathrooms always have pee on the floor.
I have experience cleaning bathrooms in NYC.
Some say the toilets are too small. Others say men just dont aim.
To be clear aiming, means take a stance and ground your feet, grab the device, hold it and aim it, then fire. Adjust if the flow changes and re aim. Do not look at
Men bathrooms always have pee on the floor.
I have experience cleaning bathrooms in NYC.
Some say the toilets are too small. Others say men just dont aim.
To be clear aiming, means take a stance and ground your feet, grab the device, hold it and aim it, then fire. Adjust if the flow changes and re aim. Do not look at
I just showed how demonstrably false your statement was and that's your reply? Impressive. In the U.S., it goes even further than that. With Title 9, women must be given the same athletic opportunities. This means they are guaranteed the same amount of athletic scholarships for college. Things may not be perfect for women but they have come A LONG ways.I can't tell if you're joking or not
Flakeandrun
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Demonstrably false
'come a long way' ...I wonder why that has taken place in the way it has...
'grassroots' is not a scholarship granted to a select few, to please a select few.Another dumpster fire of a thread.