Surprised They Got Out of Town ALIVE!!

Snapshot9 said:
there is a rule though that the first set of the final must be played all the way through.
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You make a good point here. In the interest of the person who bought the guy on the winning side, and it was double elimination, in this situation, the tournament director could have flipped a coin, if it came up for the guy who came from the loser's side, he would have to flip again to simulate the loser's side winner having to win two sets.

Kelly
 
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ridewiththewind said:
On the flip side, a little integrity on the part of the players in question would have been nice. Probably didn't even declare their winnings at the border....maybe a call to Canadian Customs is in order....I can get their full names easy enough.
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You don't declare income at a border crossing, you declare income on your tax return. The Canada Customs people will likely not care one iota about these two. Their 'cousins' in Revenue Canada might care, but money earned out-of-country is quite different than money earned in-country. All-in-all there is no way to get our government to come down on these two, imo.

I agree that they could have been more considerate to those rail-birds who gambled on the dogs, but as others have pointed out, the players have no control over these side bets. The only repercussion that is reasonable to implement or expect is for the TD to not allow them back again. Damned Canadians :D

Dave
 
The tournaments here had large calcuttas for many years until local authorities decided to make Anchorage a safer place and put an end to them. Unfortunately there can be some funny business around calcuttas but they do add a lot of action and interest to a tournament.

The state has now come up with a way to have legal calcuttas. It must be sanctioned by a nonprofit org. (the ones that sell pull tabs). Now with the proper permit a pool tournament can run a calcutta as long as 50% goes to the nonprofit.

Of course 50% is a joke I doubt if there will ever be a pool calcutta under those circumstances.
 
DaveK said:
I agree that they could have been more considerate to those rail-birds who gambled on the dogs, but as others have pointed out, the players have no control over these side bets. The only repercussion that is reasonable to implement or expect is for the TD to not allow them back again. Damned Canadians :D

Dave
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Lol.....I have no problem with Canadian players. Although some of your women players can be a bit 'tricky'.:rolleyes:

Lisa
 
kzoojam2006 said:
Who would bet $350 on an unknown player, anyway?
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A fellow in town won some money in a calcutta on an “unknown” here in 1996 under suspicious circumstances. The player left town but the local still lives here and still gets an earful about that calcutta on a regular basis. He was young at the time (21) and now realizes how long memories can be.

The name of the unknown is Gary Abood.
 
Ahhh....

Our tournament director almost got canned because he was bringing in players from nearby cities at a low handicapp and buying them in the calcutta. He cashed in 5 weeks in a row on these new players..

Freakin' money shows the best of people sometimes.
 
ridewiththewind said:
Lol.....I have no problem with Canadian players. Although some of your women players can be a bit 'tricky'.:rolleyes:

Lisa
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I know, just having some fun :D I'm sure there is a story behind the 'tricky' comment, and I'm pretty sure I don't want to hear it ... you know what they say about ignorance ... and I'm not sure this guy would understand about women anyway :o

Dave
 
Lisa,

Can you please do your best to find out the rest of the story from one of the locals?

The situation you have described might make some people a bit annoyed. That's about it. But the easy solution of splitting the 1st and 2nd calcutta money among the two local buyers is so obvious that if it wasn't done, there must be a reason.

So please try and get the full story because we're all curious ;).

Thanks,
Steve
 
Steve Lipsky said:
Lisa,

Can you please do your best to find out the rest of the story from one of the locals?

The situation you have described might make some people a bit annoyed. That's about it. But the easy solution of splitting the 1st and 2nd calcutta money among the two local buyers is so obvious that if it wasn't done, there must be a reason.

So please try and get the full story because we're all curious ;).

Thanks,
Steve
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Steve, I will do my best. It may take a couple of days, as there are no shoots/tournaments for the next few days. I am going to talk to the TD to get the complete story....he was a bit overwhelmed with questions last night, so I left him alone.

Lisa
 
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with all due respect, I have to laugh anytime I see a post like this one. you hang out in a pool room and you ask the question "is that ethical"?? people hustle pool, it’s a fact of life it is what it is and will more than likely always be this way, in point of fact im not sure if thats a bad thing. and god knows that if you can run more than 2 racks you’re not the "choir boy" type. basiclly what im trying to say is that you can't be suprised when something like this happens. above and beyond that, if this happened to me the last thing that i would do is ban them. with them banned how are you going to get your money back??
 
When playing regularily in local tournaments in New York several years ago, it was pretty much a common courtesy, when reaching the money rounds, to ask your opponent to "side bet" a little on each other - just to bring the difference in payoff amounts a little closer. One time, in the finals, about an $1100 first place payoff and about a $500 second place payoff, my opponent asked me if I wanted to split the pots evenly, thinking that I would beat him, I got greedy and refused - should have, he creamed me. We would have played out the match so that the calcutta would not have been effected and no one would have been hurt. Pretty common.
 
kzoojam2006 said:
Sounds like your TD may need to brush up on Calcutta Operations.
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I completely agree. We have calcutta tournys all the time here and whomever buys the player in the auction gets the money, even if the player buys his half. It is up to the person who bought him and the player to split it afterward. So I see no problem with them spliting it and usually the one in the Hot seat takes first and the other takes second. There shouldn't have been a problem.

Tony
 
nyjoe14.1 said:
with all due respect, I have to laugh anytime I see a post like this one. you hang out in a pool room and you ask the question "is that ethical"?? people hustle pool, it’s a fact of life it is what it is and will more than likely always be this way, in point of fact im not sure if thats a bad thing. and god knows that if you can run more than 2 racks you’re not the "choir boy" type. basiclly what im trying to say is that you can't be suprised when something like this happens. above and beyond that, if this happened to me the last thing that i would do is ban them. with them banned how are you going to get your money back??
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I have truly never dealt with Calcuttas. I have already stated this more than once. Being a former casino dealer in NV, and married to a compulsive gambler at the time put me right off betting/gambling on anything. I might occasionally wager for a beer, but that is extremely rare.

I have no control over who will be banned or who won't be banned in these things.....I just know and play against most of the players that entered. They were screaming for it last night, and I was told that these two players would be banned from participating in any future events.

Lisa
 
breakup said:
The tournaments here had large calcuttas for many years until local authorities decided to make Anchorage a safer place and put an end to them. Unfortunately there can be some funny business around calcuttas but they do add a lot of action and interest to a tournament.

The state has now come up with a way to have legal calcuttas. It must be sanctioned by a nonprofit org. (the ones that sell pull tabs). Now with the proper permit a pool tournament can run a calcutta as long as 50% goes to the nonprofit.

Of course 50% is a joke I doubt if there will ever be a pool calcutta under those circumstances.
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"A JOKE" doesn't begin to describe it!
 
kzoojam2006 said:
Who would bet $350 on an unknown player, anyway?
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The one who bought him and kept quiet. He has probably been there before.
It really is amazing what one can learn in the pool room, if one listens.
 
ridewiththewind said:
I have truly never dealt with Calcuttas. I have already stated this more than once. Being a former casino dealer in NV, and married to a compulsive gambler at the time put me right off betting/gambling on anything. I might occasionally wager for a beer, but that is extremely rare.

I have no control over who will be banned or who won't be banned in these things.....I just know and play against most of the players that entered. They were screaming for it last night, and I was told that these two players would be banned from participating in any future events.

Lisa
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Really in this spot i think you should be the voice of reason and beg them to let these people back in. that way you might be able to get some money out of them or put them in a trap or something. it just doesn't seem right to me to let them run and not try to beat them out of anything.
 
It sounds like sour "local" grapes to me. Players come in from Canada and win the local tournament. So what! They got first and second place money. Whomever bought them, made money, they didn't get screwed out of a dollar, they ended up winning! The question only brings up the splitting of the money between the buyers of the two players. The players only got the money they had coming. Much to do about nothing. Calcuttas stimulate interest and excitement. And in the Calcuttas that I have been familiar with, the house didn't get anything, it was for the players and people that wanted to take a chance.

FWTW-Those that went to DCCC saw the same type of thing happen in the ring games. TV time was limited, so the format changed as time was running out , and ultimately, unknown to most, the money was split, but the bets were paid. No big deal.
 
You have to kinda expect this to happen when a couple guys go to a tournament together. They're gonna do whatever they can to get the most money. It happens all the time. I don't really think you should whine about it. Tell the guy who bid 350 on the Canadian to enter the tournament, buy himself in the calcutta, and place in the top 4 spots so that way he actually earns his money instead of just sitting there drinking a beer and getting paid off of someone else's hard work. Railbirds are good for action but they can be some f'n nits sometimes. JMHO.
 
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