SVB to Kick Off High Run Attempts

maha said:
mosconi had or does still have the real world record. as his was at an exhibition ,not on a specially setup table, and watched by the public for its entirety.
the supposed new record was on a table set up for the particular player and taken down quickly after the run for some strange reason. and not watched for its entirety. but had a video of it which as we all know they can be compromised. i cant see how that can be recognized as official.

im sure filler or some other top player could do it trying over and over on setup conditions. but that will never replace running the balls in a tournament setting or on a table you didnt have prepared for the trial.

i applaud them trying to do this as its a great test. but already there isnt transparency on it all. that will always as in the last one hurt its recognition.
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Mosconi's record was on a 4x8 with HUGE pockets. 5.25". He played on those Brunswick tables for his exhibitions almost daily when on the road promoting them. Additionally he had been on tour with Greenleaf competing HARD every day.

The BCA reviewed the footage of John Schmidt's run and accepted it as the new official record. More evidence was presented than Mosconi's or anyone else's to date.

I will bet $1000 that no one runs 500 on this "specially conditioned table". After all the criticizing they did of the table setup for John's run they went and made theirs "easy". They cast aspersions on John's run after he put up a solid year of high runs.

John Schmidt has the official BCA sanctioned current world high run record. Anything less than 626 is not the record. It will be interesting to see a lot of top players trying to break it and perhaps one of them will but it is not likely imo. What took one person so many hundreds of attempts to do and twenty years of trying isn't likely to be undone by pros trying for a week. 526 was the one everyone wanted to beat. It was beaten and now 626 is the number. The promoter and his lackey knew they had to "prepare" the table to accept balls easier in order for the players to have any chance at this and so they did.

At least SOMETHING is happening though. Back in the day iirc Sigel was in Switzerland and set up a break shot and ran 300+ on an unknown table. At large will correct me I am sure. So it's POSSIBLE that we could see a major run going into John's territory. I don't think it's probable but conditions have been prepared for it.

I think it would be perfect karma if after everyone is done John walks in and beats whatever the highest run at this project was. They won't allow that I am sure. Not these two imo. But who knows......burnt bridges are rebuilt so maybe they will honor John and his record and publicly invite the current world record holder.
 
JB Cases said:
Mosconi's record was on a 4x8 with HUGE pockets. 5.25". He played on those Brunswick tables for his exhibitions almost daily when on the road promoting them. Additionally he had been on tour with Greenleaf competing HARD every day.

The BCA reviewed the footage of John Schmidt's run and accepted it as the new official record. More evidence was presented than Mosconi's or anyone else's to date.

I will bet $1000 that no one runs 500 on this "specially conditioned table". After all the criticizing they did of the table setup for John's run they went and made theirs "easy". They cast aspersions on John's run after he put up a solid year of high runs.

John Schmidt has the official BCA sanctioned current world high run record. Anything less than 626 is not the record. It will be interesting to see a lot of top players trying to break it and perhaps one of them will but it is not likely imo. What took one person so many hundreds of attempts to do and twenty years of trying isn't likely to be undone by pros trying for a week. 526 was the one everyone wanted to beat. It was beaten and now 626 is the number. The promoter and his lackey knew they had to "prepare" the table to accept balls easier in order for the players to have any chance at this and so they did.

At least SOMETHING is happening though. Back in the day iirc Sigel was in Switzerland and set up a break shot and ran 300+ on an unknown table. At large will correct me I am sure. So it's POSSIBLE that we could see a major run going into John's territory. I don't think it's probable but conditions have been prepared for it.

I think it would be perfect karma if after everyone is done John walks in and beats whatever the highest run at this project was. They won't allow that I am sure. Not these two imo. But who knows......burnt bridges are rebuilt so maybe they will honor John and his record and publicly invite the current world record holder.
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Thanks for your input, John.

Lou Figueroa
 
Positively Ralf said:
Don't want to sound like a debby downer, but how is this 14.1 challenge supposed to help the sport? I love 14.1 and will try to tune in as much as possible but I do not understand how this will attract people who would not pro pool if it was in their backyard. Unless they mean there will be other big events along side this aswell?
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It won't. 14.1 is a novelty at this point in the sport. None of the previous 14.1 events have grown pool. And they were better produced with commentary. Pool in America is 8 ball and 9 ball for the league players, one pocket and ten ball for the above average players. 14.1 is cool but it is boring to all but the diehard fans.

John put up more 14.1 content than any other professional player and he talked about the game, the history, the mental and physical effort and yet 14.1 did not really grow. Every year at Derby 14.1 high run competitions were held with a ten thousand dollar prize for breaking mosconi's record iirc. Didn't create any noticeable growth in 14.1.

Without 14.1 being promoted locally all over the country it will stay niche' at this point in my opinion. You're not being a downer, you're being real.

Especially since the promoter of this thing won't even recognize that the current official world record is 626. My opinion is that causing division as they have done isn't the right path for growth. I could be wrong and it would actually be awesome if I am completely wrong here as I think that anything which promotes more pool playing is great.
 
wrldpro said:
The pockets specs are on The Legends Of Pocket Billiards Facebook page.
I measured with a digital caliper for all the pockets.
Corner pockets are
4.91/4.94/4.95/5.04
Side pockets are
5.36/5.37
760 Simonis Cloth
Aramith Tournament balls.
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What does the throat of the corner pockets measure where the balls drop off, that'll give you the pocket miter angles!
 
Question for the organizer, in the case of a miss during any run, is it the decision of the player or promoter to start all over with a break shot and full rack setup? Have any players expressed interest in just continuing from where the cue ball lies?
 
skip100 said:
AtLarge is right, as usual ;)
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no shit, I once said I ran three racks in my shop with no cameras and he said that the five fell in too late and should have been spotted. And when I thought about it he was absolutely right..... :-) Seriously though his database must be HUGE.

At Large: what database?
 
JusticeNJ said:
They aren't though - that's the problem with 14.1. Some balls are not in play because they don't go anywhere until you make it possible to make them go somehwere by clearing blockers or opening clusters. On this point, 14.1 can be excruciating. It's way too easy to bump balls and have no shot, bump balls and just make more clusters, etc.

Some aren't in play because you need them to close out the rack (i.e., they are the final pattern). Now, for sure, the opportunity to play for multiple balls is greater in 14.1 than in 9 ball, but as the rack goes on in straight pool, it get's more difficult as you close out your pattern and your margin of error in position gets increasingly tighter; whereas in 9 ball, the rack gets easier with much larger margins for error in position as you close out the rack.

To me, this is what makes 14.1 immensely enjoyable and bananas hard.

All IMO and respectfully.
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After breaking the balls, they're put into 4 categories, A, B, C, & D. A being balls immediately playable, B being balls blocked by A balls, when once played turn B balls into A balls. C balls are clustered balls, and D balls are break balls for the clustered balls, and can also be A or D balls.
 
It won't. 14.1 is a novelty at this point in the sport. None of the previous 14.1 events have grown pool. And they were better produced with commentary. Pool in America is 8 ball and 9 ball for the league players, one pocket and ten ball for the above average players. 14.1 is cool but it is boring to all but the diehard fans.
JB Cases said:
John put up more 14.1 content than any other professional player and he talked about the game, the history, the mental and physical effort and yet 14.1 did not really grow. Every year at Derby 14.1 high run competitions were held with a ten thousand dollar prize for breaking mosconi's record iirc. Didn't create any noticeable growth in 14.1.

Without 14.1 being promoted locally all over the country it will stay niche' at this point in my opinion. You're not being a downer, you're being real.

Especially since the promoter of this thing won't even recognize that the current official world record is 626. My opinion is that causing division as they have done isn't the right path for growth. I could be wrong and it would actually be awesome if I am completely wrong here as I think that anything which promotes more pool playing is great.
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Thanks for your interest in our event, John.

Lou Figueroa
 
Positively Ralf said:
Question for the organizer, in the case of a miss during any run, is it the decision of the player or promoter to start all over with a break shot and full rack setup? Have any players expressed interest in just continuing from where the cue ball lies?
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I guess they could do it however they wanted.

Lou Figueroa
 
i’ve seen many pool tables and
i would rank pocket sizes like this

russian pyramid
snooker
dominguez
tight pockets
normal pockets
buckets
and this event grand canyons

today being election day i’ll just say everyone gets one vote and this is mine

congrats on a one of a kind event, hope it turns out a big success, thank you and i hope some world records are broken!

500, 600, 700, whatever will be will be

nobody (i don’t think) ever thought
o’sullivan would get 1000 centuries
 
lfigueroa said:
It won't. 14.1 is a novelty at this point in the sport. None of the previous 14.1 events have grown pool. And they were better produced with commentary. Pool in America is 8 ball and 9 ball for the league players, one pocket and ten ball for the above average players. 14.1 is cool but it is boring to all but the diehard fans.


Thanks for your interest in our event, John.

Lou Figueroa
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You're welcome. I am sure it will be entertaining. Especially if anyone starts getting close to John Schmidt's world record 626.
 
markjames said:
i’ve seen many pool tables and
i would rank pocket sizes like this

russian pyramid
snooker
dominguez
tight pockets
normal pockets
buckets
and this event grand canyons

today being election day i’ll just say everyone gets one vote and this is mine

congrats on a one of a kind event, hope it turns out a big success, thank you and i hope some world records are broken!

500, 600, 700, whatever will be will be

nobody (i don’t think) ever thought
o’sullivan would get 1000 centuries
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Agreed on almost all of it except for Ronnie. He was special from the first time he appeared on the scene. He is the Mosconi of Snooker IMO. As much as I love Davis and Hendry Ronnie is in a class by himself.
 
realkingcobra said:
After breaking the balls, they're put into 4 categories, A, B, C, & D. A being balls immediately playable, B being balls blocked by A balls, when once played turn B balls into A balls. C balls are clustered balls, and D balls are break balls for the clustered balls, and can also be A or D balls.
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Isn't Fels due credit for this??
 
realkingcobra said:
After breaking the balls, they're put into 4 categories, A, B, C, & D. A being balls immediately playable, B being balls blocked by A balls, when once played turn B balls into A balls. C balls are clustered balls, and D balls are break balls for the clustered balls, and can also be A or D balls.
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Cool - hadn't seen this. Going to try this out tonight.
 
markjames said:
i’ve seen many pool tables and
i would rank pocket sizes like this

russian pyramid
snooker
dominguez
tight pockets
normal pockets
buckets
and this event grand canyons

today being election day i’ll just say everyone gets one vote and this is mine

congrats on a one of a kind event, hope it turns out a big success, thank you and i hope some world records are broken!

500, 600, 700, whatever will be will be

nobody (i don’t think) ever thought
o’sullivan would get 1000 centuries
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What are Dominguez pockets? All 4 corners pockets vary by a 1/4" in openings.
 
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