SVB Undefeated in US open 9 Ball?
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2012 Van Boening stood head and shoulders above the world-class international challengers with his unstoppable break to go undefeated after seven days of battlingSo I was just doing some reading and it seems that SVB went undefeated in 2007, 2013, and then again this year.
Did he lose a match in 2012? I can't find the brackets.
How strong would it be to win it 4 times without losing a match...
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So I was just doing some reading and it seems that SVB went undefeated in 2007, 2013, and then again this year.
Did he lose a match in 2012? I can't find the brackets.
How strong would it be to win it 4 times without losing a match...
the stats guys will know the exact numbers.... and here is where I have become a believer (brought dragging and kicking)...
Shane is undefeated in US Open competition starting 2012 through today, I think that is 20 or 22 straight matches... :bow-down:
someone can argue each individual fields relative strength, break and racking rules, etc... BUT that is 20+ races to 11 or 13 against the best players around and your undefeated! :clapping:
There were a few (VERY few) hill/hills --( the jump, masse at hill / hill last year not on tape and in an outer room was an example of the type of shots under pressure that has lead to this record.)... most of the time ... at the event.. if you want Shane you had to fade "Don't 8 or Don't 7 or WORSE" and" he ain't playin a chair, ya know"..
If you do this at your local bar tourney -- you are not invited back.. :groucho:
Given the fields and changing rules - This is without a doubt the greatest US Open 9 Ball run EVER, Period! :thumbup: (IMHO)
I agree!!!!
Well said, this tops Earl and puts him as stand alone best US Open player ever!
the stats guys will know the exact numbers.... and here is where I have become a believer (brought dragging and kicking)...
Shane is undefeated in US Open competition starting 2012 through today, I think that is 20 or 22 straight matches... :bow-down:
someone can argue each individual fields relative strength, break and racking rules, etc... BUT that is 20+ races to 11 or 13 against the best players around and your undefeated! :clapping:
There were a few (VERY few) hill/hills --( the jump, masse at hill / hill last year not on tape and in an outer room was an example of the type of shots under pressure that has lead to this record.)... most of the time ... at the event.. if you want Shane you had to fade "Don't 8 or Don't 7 or WORSE" and" he ain't playin a chair, ya know"..
If you do this at your local bar tourney -- you are not invited back.. :groucho:
Given the fields and changing rules - This is without a doubt the greatest US Open 9 Ball run EVER, Period! :thumbup: (IMHO)
Well said, this tops Earl and puts him as stand alone best US Open player ever!
Incredible.
So I was just doing some reading and it seems that SVB went undefeated in 2007, 2013, and then again this year.
Did he lose a match in 2012? I can't find the brackets.
How strong would it be to win it 4 times without losing a match...
He played in other US Open 9 ball tournaments, so no, he is not undefeated.
the stats guys will know the exact numbers.... and here is where I have become a believer (brought dragging and kicking)...
Shane is undefeated in US Open competition starting 2012 through today, I think that is 20 or 22 straight matches... :bow-down:
someone can argue each individual fields relative strength, break and racking rules, etc... BUT that is 20+ races to 11 or 13 against the best players around and your undefeated! :clapping:
There were a few (VERY few) hill/hills --( the jump, masse at hill / hill last year not on tape and in an outer room was an example of the type of shots under pressure that has lead to this record.)... most of the time ... at the event.. if you want Shane you had to fade "Don't 8 or Don't 7 or WORSE" and" he ain't playin a chair, ya know"..
If you do this at your local bar tourney -- you are not invited back.. :groucho:
Given the fields and changing rules - This is without a doubt the greatest US Open 9 Ball run EVER, Period! :thumbup: (IMHO)
Undefeated this year yes, but he did have two hill/hills both of which I witnessed and in which he was down 10-7. Robb Saez had him dead to rights and really choked position on an 8 ball to give away one of his four match games. He left himself a really thin cut on the 9 which he made, but then the cue ball went around 3 rails and scratched in the same pocket that the 9 went in. He had other chances too, but the 8 ball shot was the obvious choke. It was such a trivial shot to leave shape on the 9.
The other hill/hill was one or two matches later against a Vietnamese guy (also up 10-7 at one point). The Vietnamese guy didn't choke but did fail to close out on a couple of difficult, but possible opportunities. That's how it can go sometimes. Probably the very fact that it was against Shane made it tougher on both of those guys. I know that's one match Saez will wish he could forget but never will.
You should read his post again
Go back and read his post he only spoke of the years Shane won. He question was did he go undefeated in 2012. If Shane did, then he was undefeated in the four US Opens he won.
Go back and read his post he only spoke of the years Shane won. He question was did he go undefeated in 2012. If Shane did, then he was undefeated in the four US Opens he won.
Not now it's not. I am pretty sure if anyone had a copy of the paper brackets they could input the whole thing into any number of online bracket services and then it would be accessible to anyone.
The Vietnamese guy did choke.
At hill-hill, the Viet guy had control, had the 6,7,8,9 left and no clusters. He had a slight cut on the 6 into the corner pocket with natural position for the 7. He jawed the 6 (i think). Either way, he missed a very makeable 6 ball to close out the match. Shane dodged a bullet on that one.
Eric
Wow hang on, not yet
While undefeated matches record is nice to have, Earl still has more US Opens (even though he may have lost matches during those wins) than Shane so Earl is still better player. Now if Shane wins 5th US Open, then I would agree that Shane is best US Open player ever. :grin:
Pool does have online brackets that are research-able forever. If Bad Boys Billiard Productions runs the event, they use CTS brackets and those stay online. Barry won't pay to have them there though.
The fields today are so much more difficult than they used to be that I'll call Shane's 4 better than Earl's 5. The Asian contingent has been a major force in the US Open since about 1996 and the Europeans since about 2000.
Winning a US Open 9-ball title is sooooo hard today that I'm prepared to call Shane the greatest player in the history of the US Open right now. There has never been a field as deep as the one Shane just beat in rotation pool.
Let's recognize Shane's three year undefeated streak at the US Open for what it is: one of the greatest achievements in the history of the rotational pool disciplines.
Here's something I posted in another thread 8 days ago:
With his 3 consecutive victories at the U. S. Open 9-Ball Championships, Shane Van Boening has now won 23 matches in a row (plus 3 byes) with an overall game-winning percentage of 65%. Here's how it has gone.
2012
1. Bye
2. Adam Smith 11-1
3. Tom Karabatsos 11-2
4. Nick Van Den Berg 11-4
5. Chris Melling 11-4
6. Ronnie Alcano 11-10
7. Jose Parica 11-5
8. Alex Pagulayan 11-5
9. Dennis Orcollo 13-7
2012 total -- 90-38 (70%)
2013
1. Bye
2. Ronny Oldervik 11-6
3. Omar Al Shaheen 11-5
4. Fabio Petroni 11-3
5. Danny Mastermaker 11-5
6. Jeremy Sossei 11-7
7. Chris Melling 11-6
8. Jayson Shaw 11-5
9. Lee Vann Corteza 13-10
2013 total -- 90-47 (66%)
2014
1. Bye
2. Robb Saez 11-10
3. Earl Strickland 11-7
4. Do Hoang Quan 11-10
5. Karl Boyes 11-6
6. Dennis Orcollo 11-5
7. Nick Ekonomopoulos 11-4
8. Dennis Orcollo 13-10
2014 total -- 79-52 (60%)
2012-2014 total -- 259-137 (65%)
With his 3 consecutive victories at the U. S. Open 9-Ball Championships, Shane Van Boening has now won 23 matches in a row (plus 3 byes) with an overall game-winning percentage of 65%. Here's how it has gone.
2012
1. Bye
2. Adam Smith 11-1
3. Tom Karabatsos 11-2
4. Nick Van Den Berg 11-4
5. Chris Melling 11-4
6. Ronnie Alcano 11-10
7. Jose Parica 11-5
8. Alex Pagulayan 11-5
9. Dennis Orcollo 13-7
2012 total -- 90-38 (70%)
2013
1. Bye
2. Ronny Oldervik 11-6
3. Omar Al Shaheen 11-5
4. Fabio Petroni 11-3
5. Danny Mastermaker 11-5
6. Jeremy Sossei 11-7
7. Chris Melling 11-6
8. Jayson Shaw 11-5
9. Lee Vann Corteza 13-10
2013 total -- 90-47 (66%)
2014
1. Bye
2. Robb Saez 11-10
3. Earl Strickland 11-7
4. Do Hoang Quan 11-10
5. Karl Boyes 11-6
6. Dennis Orcollo 11-5
7. Nick Ekonomopoulos 11-4
8. Dennis Orcollo 13-10
2014 total -- 79-52 (60%)
2012-2014 total -- 259-137 (65%)
I'd venture a guess that Earl was every bit as dominant in terms of total rack score back in the day, but, on average, against weaker opponents.
I was just replying to other poster suggestion that on basis of undefeated matches Shane is better than Earl.
I absolutely agree that the field these days is much much stronger than Earl's days. IMHO if Earl at his prime bad played this past decade I doubt he can win so many US Open
It is so much tougher to dominate these days that it is rare for a player to win more than 1 major in same year.
