SVB vs Frost Barbox with 5" Pockets

[TWOFORPOOL]

I watched the last few hours of this match and noticed how big the pockets were. A few people stated they were 5" pockets and one person claimed he played on the table and it had 5" pockets.

5" pockets are big on a 9' table and on a Barbox they are huge. What am I missing here - two great players playing on a table with buckets. Highest package I'm told was 7 racks. Is this a very high package on a barbox with 5" pockets? Seems to me making a ball on the break should be alot easier with 5" pockets. Several Azers thought the biggest package would be over 10 racks.

Would like to know what Azers think about this since I'm a little confused as to why they used such big pockets.

 

[ForumGhost516]

The only thing i can possibly think of is that they wanted these two bohemeth's running big numbers for the live stream and the dvd's to make it exciting.

From what I gather Shane'es break was too strong.

 

[supercue]

Coin ops

My guess is you have not played on Valley coin ops.Check the size of
those pockets."Not like Diamond tables ,and that's the way it is"

 

[BVal]

Just because a pocket measures a certain width doesn't mean it actually plays that big. The pocket facing angle has a lot to do with it. Either way I thought the match was awesome. 3 days of some great pool from over 1000 miles away. I for one won't complain about anyting.

Both players played on the same table with the same pockets no matter what the measured.

Thanks TAR.

BVal

 

[TWOFORPOOL]

Just because a pocket measures a certain width doesn't mean it actually plays that big. The pocket facing angle has a lot to do with it. Either way I thought the match was awesome. 3 days of some great pool from over 1000 miles away. I for one won't complain about anyting.

Both players played on the same table with the same pockets no matter what the measured.

Thanks TAR.

BVal

The little bit I watched was very good. I appreciate TAR for getting this match on Livestream. I was only able to watch the last 3-4 hours and paid 15.00 to do so AND IT WAS WORTH EVERY PENNY!!! I was just surprised how big the pockets were. Alot of tournaments have 9' tables with 4 1/2" pockets from what I understand. I was just surpised to see that big of pockets and I'm certainly not complaining about it. I will be buying alot of TAR events in the future now that I have a wireless system that can get to these events.

 

[TWOFORPOOL]

SVB vs Frost Barbox

My guess is you have not played on Valley coin ops.Check the size of
those pockets."Not like Diamond tables ,and that's the way it is"

I play every week on Valley Barboxes. The pockets don't seem that big to me. I will measure them the next time I play on them. I thought they were 4 3/4".

 

[BVal]

The little bit I watched was very good. I appreciate TAR for getting this match on Livestream. I was only able to watch the last 3-4 hours and paid 15.00 to do so AND IT WAS WORTH EVERY PENNY!!! I was just surprised how big the pockets were. Alot of tournaments have 9' tables with 4 1/2" pockets from what I understand. I was just surpised to see that big of pockets.

I would like to see an actual measurement. The pockets on my table are 4 and 3/4" but plays tighter than some 4 and 1/2" tables I have played on. It was a great match. I like TAR on the bar table better. Of course I like it all.

BVal

 

[BVal]

I play every week on Valley Barboxes. The pockets don't seem that big to me. I will measure them the next time I play on them. I thought they were 4 3/4".

Valley's play night and day different from a Diamond. You can make shots on a Valley that just don't go on a Diamond. It's because of the way the pockets are cut.

BVal

 

[TWOFORPOOL]

Valley's play night and day different from a Diamond. You can make shots on a Valley that just don't go on a Diamond. It's because of the way the pockets are cut.

BVal

I also play on Diamond Barbox tables. I believe they are also 4 3/4" except for one and its 4 1/2". One the 4 1/2" Diamond table you have to hit it real good down the rail when you hit it with some speed or the ball will "Jaw out". I will also agree that the Diamond barbox tables play better and a little tougher than the Valley barbox tables.

 

[BVal]

I also play on Diamond Barbox table. I believe they are also 4 3/4" except for one and its 4 1/2". One the 4 1/2" Diamond table you have to hit it real good down the rail when you hit it with some speed.

On the Diamond with 4 3/4 can you hit a ball down the rail and hit the 2nd diamond and it still goes in?

BVal

 

[TWOFORPOOL]

On the Diamond with 4 3/4 can you hit a ball down the rail and hit the 2nd diamond and it still goes in?

BVal

Absolutely Not! There was a shot made in the SVB/Frost match where the object ball look like it traveled an inch and a half off the rail all the way down the rail and it still went in. The announcer said SVB had missed the shot and when it went it he said something relating how easy it was to make a ball on that table.

 

[BVal]

Absolutely Not!

On a Valley that shot goes. At least on the Valley's at Metro that I play on occasionally. On my table that shot doesn't go either. It will either hang or miss the pocket all together depending on the speed.

BVal

 

[TWOFORPOOL]

Any other comments about the 5" pockets?

 

[mikeyfrost]

I'll say this, I played on that table myself, I live here. The corners are 4 and 3/4 inches not 5 inches. I was hoping to see a new table brought in for the match with pro cut pockets on it but that didnt happen. End of the day though those guys were splittling the cup on the high majority of their shots. Pocket size only would have been a factor on the break. I dont think SVB shot the 8 ball after the break for the final two days. Scott says it's different when they play rack for each other. Congrats to both players...the table was easier than I would have liked to have seen but I think it made for some great shot making. Now on a tighter table I dont think Scott loses by 46 games either.

 

[TorranceChris]

I'll say this, I played on that table myself, I live here. The corners are 4 and 3/4 inches not 5 inches. I was hoping to see a new table brought in for the match with pro cut pockets on it but that didnt happen. End of the day though those guys were splittling the cup on the high majority of their shots. Pocket size only would have been a factor on the break. I dont think SVB shot the 8 ball after the break for the final two days. Scott says it's different when they play rack for each other. Congrats to both players...the table was easier than I would have liked to have seen but I think it made for some great shot making. Now on a tighter table I dont think Scott loses by 46 games either.

You mean Scott was conceding the 8 and the 9 after SVB broke ? I didn't see that, but then I didn't watch the whole thing.

 

[DGunter]

no it means the 8 was always falling on the break due to where SVB was racking it and making it everytime

 

[TWOFORPOOL]

I'll say this, I played on that table myself, I live here. The corners are 4 and 3/4 inches not 5 inches. I was hoping to see a new table brought in for the match with pro cut pockets on it but that didnt happen. End of the day though those guys were splittling the cup on the high majority of their shots. Pocket size only would have been a factor on the break. I dont think SVB shot the 8 ball after the break for the final two days. Scott says it's different when they play rack for each other. Congrats to both players...the table was easier than I would have liked to have seen but I think it made for some great shot making. Now on a tighter table I dont think Scott loses by 46 games either.

Thank you for your opinion. I have to agree whether the pockets were 4 1/2" or 5" it wouldn't of matter with these two players (except for the break) They were splitting the pockets when shooting.

 

[Spimp13]

You mean Scott was conceding the 8 and the 9 after SVB broke ? I didn't see that, but then I didn't watch the whole thing.

Scott didn't concede it, the ball was dropped in the corner on pretty much every break by Shane.

You know it is not going Scott's way when he broke so hard that 5 balls dropped and then he was hooked on his next shot.

 

[Big Perm]

Any other comments about the 5" pockets?

Big pockets on a bar table is like having Christmas in July

Conversely, you can easily be beaten by a banger that likes to hit the ball at rocket speed....as long as the cue stays up, a ball hit with enough pace will bound around and go somewhere :frown:

In a fairly even game like the SVB/Frost match, the table plays the same for both guys, especially in a match to 150....now, on the other hand, buckets have no place in a big pro tourney IMHO....

my two cents....

 

[BVal]

I'll say this, I played on that table myself, I live here. The corners are 4 and 3/4 inches not 5 inches. I was hoping to see a new table brought in for the match with pro cut pockets on it but that didnt happen. End of the day though those guys were splittling the cup on the high majority of their shots. Pocket size only would have been a factor on the break. I dont think SVB shot the 8 ball after the break for the final two days. Scott says it's different when they play rack for each other. Congrats to both players...the table was easier than I would have liked to have seen but I think it made for some great shot making. Now on a tighter table I dont think Scott loses by 46 games either.

Why wouldn't he lose by 46 on a tighter table?

BVal