T.O.I by randyg

Husler said:
Now if you are saying you are cueing the same amount inside for every shot, this tells me you are aiming for a specific point on the object ball. You are also not parallel to the ctc/cte line and having the perception of every shot being a straight in shot like Cj has been saying. I also do not know of the level you are at with TOI, maybe what you are saying is what it will evolve too? I have not tried this technique yet on a table.
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Starting out with the CTC alignment is a straight in shot. This starting point gets your mind going to find the angle of the shot. The connection between the balls and pockets before you get down on the shot with relation to your shot speed is essential. Would cueing two tips over for a large deflection be a touch of inside? :D

I don't aim for a spot on the object ball. I move into the shot after my subconscious figures out the angle. Many times it looks wrong, but I trust it and pull the trigger. If I miss, I note in which direction I missed it and make the adjustment either on the cue ball or in my connection. The absolute whole solution is making the connection between the balls and especially to the pocket.

Connection is a vague word. How about understanding the relationship between the balls to develop the correct solution angle for pocketing the object ball? I don't pick out the contact point or shot line. I just show it to the boss and trust he will first, put my hand on the shot line where my body follows without my rational mind trying to influence the decision.

I try to get out of the way and trust it. That's the whole enchilada. That's what I'm doing until CJ tells me I'm nuts and to go away.

Best,
Mike
 
Mikjary said:
Starting out with the CTC alignment is a straight in shot. This starting point gets your mind going to find the angle of the shot. The connection between the balls and pockets before you get down on the shot with relation to your shot speed is essential. Would cueing two tips over for a large deflection be a touch of inside? :D

I don't aim for a spot on the object ball. I move into the shot after my subconscious figures out the angle. Many times it looks wrong, but I trust it and pull the trigger. If I miss, I note in which direction I missed it and make the adjustment either on the cue ball or in my connection. The absolute whole solution is making the connection between the balls and especially to the pocket.

Connection is a vague word. How about understanding the relationship between the balls to develop the correct solution angle for pocketing the object ball? I don't pick out the contact point or shot line. I just show it to the boss and trust he will first, put my hand on the shot line where my body follows without my rational mind trying to influence the decision.

I try to get out of the way and trust it. That's the whole enchilada. That's what I'm doing until CJ tells me I'm nuts and to go away.

Best,
Mike
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Mike :grin: The CTE alignment stops you from going two tips over on the CTC alignment. Cj's belief is all shots look and feel like they are straight in, this is why you must use his alignments and parallel off the two lines. This is my read off the TOI video and again I have not tried the system out at a table so I cant really speak from experience.
 
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Husler said:
Mike :grin: The CTE alignment stops you from going two tips over on the CTC alignment. Cj's belief is all shots look and feel like they are straight in, this is why you must use his alignments and parallel off the two lines. This is my read off the TOI video and again I have not tried the system out at a table so I cant really speak from experience.
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Sooner or later I'll get it right.:wink: I just can't see shooting any shot with a really large deflection and still being accurate. I like staying close to center cue ball and using my alignment to pocket the ball. I try to keep my cueing consistent with a TOI.

Best,
Mike
 
I don't know Mike, I have never really read much on here exactly how this works and I haven't tried it myself. There have been a million threads about it but nobody is really talking how to do it :grin: Maybe I am wrong, I dunno lol
 
This is Sunday. I'm going to spend another hour on TOI. (two half hour sessions).

Will give my semi final conclusions on Monday.

randyg
 
Thanks Randy this report out from you is helpful for us trying to master it as well. Randy/CJ - are there any drills you would recommend that might be useful for understanding the TOI quicker? thanks
 
IMHO Understanding the basic principles of TOI is easy. Utilizing it properly or mastering it is a bit more than easy.

I hate to say this, but I doubt that I will put much value in randyG's assessment of TOI. The reason being that CJ has said & several of us have found him to be correct that it takes at least a straight 3 hour session with TOI to get the 'feel' of it and how it actually works. I have not seen where Mr. G has done that. I do not think cumulative 1/2 hour sessions will yield the same result. It did not for several of us. It was not until we put in the 3 straight hours that we 'real eyesed' the full value of TOI.

Regards,
 
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im getting it dialed in after a week...ball pocketing is cake...cue ball control is coming along.....main problem is hitting to soft or to hard. havent found the SWEET spot yet....
 
ENGLISH....Rick, do NOT read this post. It will have no value to you at all.

Hi Guys

Spent all day Sunday playing in a tournament. Put TOI to good use.

Spent another hour today trying to eat the Elephant.

Over all now, I have about 12 hours into TOI.

I was going to compare the steps between TOI & CTE. Changed my mind today. TOI is easier for me. I like TOI!!!!!!

I think I will attempt to use TOI in league matches this week.

Because of certain people involved in this thread I will not post a review.....BUT

email me at........ goettlicher@verizon.net

and I will report what I have found.


Too bad isn't it
randyg
 
dfranklin said:
.main problem is hitting to soft or to hard. havent found the SWEET spot yet....
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I've been using it a while and I seem to have these same issue while playing 8 ball. Very few problems with the rotation games since they allow one to get the stroke out a little better.

Just can't seem to get it to work too well at 8 ball.
 
randyg said:
ENGLISH....Rick, do NOT read this post. It will have no value to you at all.

Hi Guys

Spent all day Sunday playing in a tournament. Put TOI to good use.

Spent another hour today trying to eat the Elephant.

Over all now, I have about 12 hours into TOI.

I was going to compare the steps between TOI & CTE. Changed my mind today. TOI is easier for me. I like TOI!!!!!!

I think I will attempt to use TOI in league matches this week.

Because of certain people involved in this thread I will not post a review.....BUT

email me at........ goettlicher@verizon.net

and I will report what I have found.


Too bad isn't it
randyg
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lol :) English I believe RandyG and Cj are old buddies!
 
randyg said:
ENGLISH....Rick, do NOT read this post. It will have no value to you at all.

Hi Guys

Spent all day Sunday playing in a tournament. Put TOI to good use.

Spent another hour today trying to eat the Elephant.

Over all now, I have about 12 hours into TOI.

I was going to compare the steps between TOI & CTE. Changed my mind today. TOI is easier for me. I like TOI!!!!!!

I think I will attempt to use TOI in league matches this week.

Because of certain people involved in this thread I will not post a review.....BUT

email me at........ goettlicher@verizon.net

and I will report what I have found.


Too bad isn't it
randyg
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Mr. G,

Thanks for the chuckle.

Don't go underground on account of me. I'm sure many are interested in your opinion, as am I.

Perhaps the word 'value' was a poor word choice or I should have qualified it by attaching it to 'due to short term use' or something.

You stated that you planned to give it 2 seperate 30 minute sessions. I was merely pointing out that CJ said & several of us have found that it takes between 2 to 3 hours straight to get a true sence of the full benefit. One can tell if they can get it to work for themselves in about 15 to 20 minutes or less.

Regards,
 
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Husler said:
lol :) English I believe RandyG and Cj are old buddies!
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I know. I believe CJ said they were in business together at one time.

I believe CJ bought him lunch recently, that could make him biased.:wink:

Regards,
 
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stan shuffett said:
I grew up around championship checkers. One can become a chess master in 3/4 years or quicker with proper study. To become a master player in the game of checkers, plan on 8-10 years of 8/10 tens hours a day.
Checkers is every bit as tough as chess at the highest levels.
Stan Shuffett
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Stan; Did you ever hear of a GREAT checker player from Chicago, his name is Bob Flood, he is gone now, but I knew him for many years. He was unbelievable!

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"
http://mr3cushion.com
 
randyg said:
Hi Guys

I was going to compare the steps between TOI & CTE. Changed my mind today. TOI is easier for me. I like TOI!!!!!!

email me at........ goettlicher@verizon.net

and I will report what I have found.


Too bad isn't it
randyg
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Randy, I had a friend take one of your clinics here in Phx a few years back, and his stroke was the better for it! From past posts of yours I always got the sense that you were kind of closed minded about some things (I know I am!!!) :wink: ...... and the fact that you've 'opened' your mind to this is impressive to me, and shows me how good of a coach you must be!!! This concept to me is extremely hard to digest because it is such a different way of playing and I just don't know if I have the patience to change that much this late in life.

I know how it works as I have practiced it a considerable amount of time, and love how it works to pocket balls, along with the huge benefit of just working on 'inside' that much. But I have one question for you if you care to answer (privately by pm if you wish) and you feel that you have worked on it enough to do it justice. Is it worth the change?

I just want to say.... I am sure all of your future clients will benefit from your experiment whether or not you adopt it!

td
 
I don't get "too attached" to the object ball because soon it will be gone.

Ralph Kramden said:
Like I once heard a golf pro say... Your target isn't the green... Your target is the golf ball... You'll never hit the green until you can hit the ball correctly.
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Yes, indeed, this is the most critical thing, no matter how you choose to play. The "secrets" are in your relationship to the cue ball and how that effects the "ultimate target" which is, of course, the pocket. I don't get "too attached" to the object ball because soon it will be gone....vanishing after contact. ;) 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
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