Table cloth speed question

has this ever been tested or is it just hypothetical. i mean have anyone put a green cloth, mesure the stretch, roll the ball with some ramp or "robot cue" and then change cloth and do the same tests and compare results ?
 
As a result of the pigment/color comments - my table has tournament blue (can be seen in avatar)!
 
kid said:
has this ever been tested or is it just hypothetical. i mean have anyone put a green cloth, mesure the stretch, roll the ball with some ramp or "robot cue" and then change cloth and do the same tests and compare results ?
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Yes, it's been done at the Diamond factory using a ramp meter, and yes the cue ball rolls a little bit farther at the same speed on the blue than it does on the green.

Glen
 
boyersj said:
As a result of the pigment/color comments - my table has tournament blue (can be seen in avatar)!
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Stretch has everything to do with how fast the cloth is going to play out in the playing field, as well as how clean the cloth/balls are. Tight bed cloths to one person, may still be considered loose to another;) How you clean the cloth makes a difference in the speed as well.
 
Strict9 said:
I am not a table mechanic, but I do have an Olhausen home table with 860 and I share your frustration. One variable that hasn't been mentioned is the slate itself...mine has fairly noticeable machine grooves. I always assumed it was normal and that the cloth would mask it...starting to question that assumption.
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The slate has no bearing on the speed of the cloth in the playing surface.
 
realkingcobra said:
Yes, it's been done at the Diamond factory using a ramp meter, and yes the cue ball rolls a little bit farther at the same speed on the blue than it does on the green.

Glen
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Attention to details, nice!! Finally got to play the pro-am 9' total pool bliss.
I want one badly.....
 
rexus31 said:
What is the recommended method? I use a horse hair attachment on my shop vac and clean from the foot to the head on both sides. My table plays pretty quick.
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In which direction you vacuum the cloth don't apply anymore as Simonis don't make a directional weave cloth in the pool types of cloth they sell. But cleaning the surface of the cloth with a wet rag will change the way it plays drasticly...slowing it down, as wetting the cloth causes the fibers to fluff up, making the cloth thicker, which turns into resistance against the balls free rolling around the playing surface.

Glen
 
boyersj said:
I have a used 8' Olhausen I purchased about a year ago and had 860 simonis put onto it. At first it felt "sluggish" for new cloth. About a month afterwards I noticed it was pretty loose and had to have an area inside the pocket be repaired. At that time the felt was re-stretched. This table has much less play than bar boxes with identical cloth. The speed is significantly slower and I keep it very clean, and I also keep the balls clean. The balls are around 15 years old but I bought a new cue ball about 4 months ago.

I am racking my brains trying to figure out why my ball speed at home isn't comprable to in tournaments. The adjustment is substantial and I would like to get it "closer". Re-felting is an option but when the cloth was brand-new it felt sluggish so I am unsure that is the answer. The rails are accuu-fasts and do seem to be problematic as well however even speed without contacting rails also seems slow.

That being said if I put new rubber on the rails, and my play away from home is diamonds, should I go to an artemis rubber? Any feedback or guidance would be helpful while I am in the decision-making process of how to move forward. Table plays fine, but the practice time isn't translating well for other tables.
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I had a similar problem with my table which originally had 860. The rolling friction seemed high when I first got it and got worse and worse until it became the slowest table I've ever played on (really). I replaced the cloth with Velocity pro just recently and it plays much faster. Will let you know if it slows down any like the 860 did. I think Simonis admits that the 860 gets slower over time.
 
Always the possibility that someone may get made in the ROC Simonis instead of made in Belgium Simonis. :eek:
 
Weezer said:
I had a similar problem with my table which originally had 860. The rolling friction seemed high when I first got it and got worse and worse until it became the slowest table I've ever played on (really). I replaced the cloth with Velocity pro just recently and it plays much faster. Will let you know if it slows down any like the 860 did. I think Simonis admits that the 860 gets slower over time.
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If that be the case, the Simonis was not stretched as tight in the beginning as it should have been.

Glen
 
Well this weekend I bought the dehumidifier. The RH was running about 60%. After an entire weekend of running, and the removal of at least 2 gallon's of water since saturday afternoon it is still hanging around 55%. I had set the unit to shut-off at 50% RH.

This with the re-stretch has made noticable improvements. I haven't gone into data collecting using a ramp yet, but I will do so soon.
 
championship tour edition 3030 at 2012 world 14.1

I was told that championship tour edition 3030 was used at 2012 world 14.1 tournament.

Any comments on the speed & quality compared to simonis 860, 760, proform etc?

Was it used because it is the greatest or was it just a sponsorship "promotional consideration" type of thing ?

certainly lots of nice runs at this event. did the cloth help?

jr
 
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