Table mechanics gone wild ?

JoeyInCali

JoeyInCali

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Maybe the main reason pool halls are losing customers is because table mechs are ruining the tables' pockets .
Had a couple here yesterday to pick up their cue. They are avid players.
They just bought a table and have stopped going to their two favorite pool halls because the pockets are rattlers now according to them.
These two are qualified to give that opinion because the husband is a solid B player and the wife is also one of the better regional players here.
 
Pretty sure my table suffers from this. But a lot can be attributed to my abilities so I can't decide.
 
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When the ball ever so lightly touches the point of the pocket to which it's entering that puts twist/turn on the ball that causes the ball to climb out out the pocket.
The professional tables today are designed for competition. There are only two professional pool tables marketed for competition and commercial use. Those two table share similar designs in different ways to make the pocket play tough... The speed and control is very much a factor. You can no longer use the old school way of playing pool. Each shot today requires way more than it did 10-15 years ago.
The equipment has come a long ways in a short period of time.

If they are rattling balls on a valley or alike coin op table they won't like diamonds at all...

Rob.M
 
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I don't put the blame on the mechanic, but I agree with you.

I remember when I was first coming up in pool, a GC with 4.5 inch pockets was considered tight. The majority of the tables had 5 inch pockets. As the owner used to say "recreational players don't have fun unless they make balls" I tend to agree with him.

I owned a procut Diamond for a couple years and after the cloth broke in, I found myself playing very little at home and guests had zero desire to play on it.

I sold it, got a GC with 4.75" pockets and I love it. I have fun with pool again and my guests enjoy playing on it.

(I am a B player)
Ian
 
JoeyInCali said:
Maybe the main reason pool halls are losing customers is because table mechs are ruining the tables' pockets .
Had a couple here yesterday to pick up their cue. They are avid players.
They just bought a table and have stopped going to their two favorite pool halls because the pockets are rattlers now according to them.
These two are qualified to give that opinion because the husband is a solid B player and the wife is also one of the better regional players here.
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Yes but the players who keep a room open are the hacks that dont know a good pocket from a bad or that custom cues even exist. More than once ive returned to my table to find my cue gone and once it took me 10 minutes to convince the guy 2 tables over shooting with my $800 Custom that the cue was really OWNED by me. He thought i was making a big deal over nothing -ahahahaha
 

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main thing oa this and someone tell me I'm crazy pleez!!. The table mechanic ONLY DOES What is asked of them by the room owner???? Does the mechanic not do the table to spec as requested by the room owner? Doesn't the room owner specifically stipulate the cloth? THE POCKETS? Also to include the pocket size? I can't imagine a table mechanic gone rogue. At least not for long. Unless of course he was a snake! Lol. But for real, the owner stipulates EVERYTHING!!!!
 
I have been told \ heard " normal " pockets are 4.75"s. That's fine. The whole pool room should be that AT LEAST - IF NOT 5's maybe a couple tables with 4.5"s but that's it. Players do not pay the bills. I could NEVER justify any table with less than 4.5s, unless it is somewhat larger and that was just foe the few that acrually requested it. The room owners KNOW who pay the bills. I'm usually one of the biggest action people in any room and EVEN I DONT WANT TO SEE ANYTHING LESS THAN 4.5 LOL
 
BmoreMoney said:
I have been told \ heard " normal " pockets are 4.75"s. That's fine. The whole pool room should be that AT LEAST - IF NOT 5's maybe a couple tables with 4.5"s but that's it. Players do not pay the bills. I could NEVER justify any table with less than 4.5s, unless it is somewhat larger and that was just foe the few that acrually requested it. The room owners KNOW who pay the bills. I'm usually one of the biggest action people in any room and EVEN I DONT WANT TO SEE ANYTHING LESS THAN 4.5 LOL
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Try 3 7/8" corners.
Or 4 1/4 with a wide angle .
There are a few rooms all over California with 4" or less pockets.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Try 3 7/8" corners.
Or 4 1/4 with a wide angle .
There are a few rooms all over California with 4" or less pockets.
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Conspiracy!

The illuminati pool players made a deal with room owners and want tight pockets so they can win more money games against lesser players and snap off more tournaments by not get chopped up by lesser players who are only competing because of loose pockets.
MUAHAHAHAHA!

LOL
 
Nostroke said:
Yes but the players who keep a room open are the hacks that dont know a good pocket from a bad or that custom cues even exist. More than once ive returned to my table to find my cue gone and once it took me 10 minutes to convince the guy 2 tables over shooting with my $800 Custom that the cue was really OWNED by me. He thought i was making a big deal over nothing -ahahahaha
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That has happened to me too. It helps to put on the face of a serial killer and act full of rage.
 
Of this I have no doubt.

Pool room owners listening to the better players demanding tighter and tighter pockets are shooting themselves in the wallet nuts.

People want to have a good time. Good time = pocketing balls.

Have a couple of tables slightly tighter but that's it. If the players want even tighter pockets, tell them to go tighten up their home table.

JoeyA

JoeyInCali said:
Maybe the main reason pool halls are losing customers is because table mechs are ruining the tables' pockets .
Had a couple here yesterday to pick up their cue. They are avid players.
They just bought a table and have stopped going to their two favorite pool halls because the pockets are rattlers now according to them.
These two are qualified to give that opinion because the husband is a solid B player and the wife is also one of the better regional players here.
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JoeyA said:
Of this I have no doubt.

Pool room owners listening to the better players demanding tighter and tighter pockets are shooting themselves in the wallet nuts.

People want to have a good time. Good time = pocketing balls.

Have a couple of tables slightly tighter but that's it. If the players want even tighter pockets, tell them to go tighten up their home table.

JoeyA
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The perfect pool hall should have a couple of real tight pocket tables for gambling, one
pocket, etc., and at least one competitive bar box money table.
These competitive tables should be located in the general vicinity of the rail, for the
nosey, gossiping, side betting railbirds.
Add in a bar and a walk up grill serving authentic pool hall food, and you have the perfect room.


:smile:
 
cuesblues said:
The perfect pool hall should have a couple of real tight pocket tables for gambling, one
pocket, etc., and at least one competitive bar box money table.
These competitive tables should be located in the general vicinity of the rail, for the
nosey, gossiping, side betting railbirds.
Add in a bar and a walk up grill serving authentic pool hall food, and you have the perfect room.


:smile:
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You covered most of the bases. :cool:
JoeyA
 
One of the most successful pool rooms I know of has Gold Crown tables with 5" corner pockets. Out of the 22 tables two are tightened for one pocket players. The owner told me he made them all 4 1/2" pockets once and for 6 months his income steadily declined. He had the tables converted back to 5" and watched things return to where they were. His theory was the folks that came in for fun left because they were not able to play the tighter tables. This hurt his entire business but especially the alcohol side which is key for him to financially able to stay in business.
 
Quesports said:
One of the most successful pool rooms I know of has Gold Crown tables with 5" corner pockets. Out of the 22 tables two are tightened for one pocket players. The owner told me he made them all 4 1/2" pockets once and for 6 months his income steadily declined. He had the tables converted back to 5" and watched things return to where they were. His theory was the folks that came in for fun left because they were not able to play the tighter tables. This hurt his entire business but especially the alcohol side which is key for him to financially able to stay in business.
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thanks for posting this. I'm sure this isn't an isolated example.

Ian
 
xianmacx said:
I owned a procut Diamond for a couple years and after the cloth broke in, I found myself playing very little at home and guests had zero desire to play on it.
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Are the procut pockets the 4.5" or 4.25"?

Gideon<----couldn't find it on the Diamond website
 
I prefer 4.25" pockets mostly because I like to suffer when I practice and I also play also of One Pocket. I practice Straight Pool on 4.25 and and usually get out. For PLAY in match up and league, I like the 4.5 pockets.... good solid big buckets. Makes for faster games and builds confidence.

Regards,

Lesh
 
Out of the 10 Diamond Professionals where I play, 1 has 4" pockets, 6 have 4.5" pockets, and the 3 in the back have 5" pockets for the bangers. The owners had 7 tables reclothed with Simonis, but kept the 5 year old Milliken cloth on the 3 back tables. Those 3 back tables go for $8/hour, while the 6 reclothed 4.5" tables rent for $10/hour. The table with 4" pockets that was rebuilt by Glen isn't available for rent by most people. It stays covered with a reserved sign on it until a serious player wants to play on it.

I don't own the place or make the rules. If I did, it would be a lot different. Unfortunately the owners of this room know nothing about pool whatsoever, and have no interest in trying to learn. They run the business as a bar and music venue, that just happens to have 10 professional quality pool tables in it. They have live concerts several times a week. They have live jazz every Thursday during pool league. It's a shame.
 
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