Talisman Tips Breaking Down

PoolSleuth

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In the last week or so I have heard three Guy say no more Talisman Tips, as they have had Tip Split during Play, and find Half the Tip on the Table when they do to CHALK UP.

You cuemakers do lots of repairs, and retiping, are you see this also?
 
ALMOST EVERYONE i know who have used a talisman tip have encountered delamination of some kind (mostly minor though) on their tip

but

ALMOST EVERYONE i know who have used a talisman tip likes how it hits
 
I avoid doing talismans like the plague. However, when I have done them I remembered hearing how you were NOT supposed to use any kind of water, spit, or saliva when burnishing. Was suggested that the Tiger Burnisher was the best method. I've done maybe 3 since I heard that. 2 of which were for me and I NEVER use the liquid burnishers. The only problem I had was when shaping, sometimes the layers would come apart causing me to use a way softer sandpaper. The one for the customer worked like a charm. Absolutely loved it. Still burnishing with just spit and leather. Heard that the water/ spit can delaminate the layers. Just be careful when doing it. MAybe the liquid burnisher is the best way for Talismans. Have you tried emailing them?
 
I have installed many and have had mixed results.

I will tell you that they do seperate a little easier than other layered tips, for whatever reason but they can be good if installed correctly.

The trick to Talisman (and other layered tips) is that you have to use a DAMN sharp blade when shaping and NOT cut against the grain of the leather. You cannot shape it with a scuffer or go at it in a hard manner with sandpaper to shape. I have found that if you use much friction or get the tip too hot during the install, it will weaken the bond of the laminates. They pull apart easy, so you have to shape them in a way that you won't "pull" on the leather very much. You want to shave it cleanly instead.

I had many of them come apart in the beginning, and was told by someone that if I got the tip shaper from porper, and make sure it is RAZOR sharp when doing any layered tip, I would not have the seperation problems. True it is. I spent the $120 to get the tool, and I don't have them fall apart anywhere near as much now. Not to mention, that tool is an awesome thing when doing tips of any kind. Perfect shape every time, and easy as pie.

You can find the tool here.
 
PetreeCues said:
I have installed many and have had mixed results.

I will tell you that they do seperate a little easier than other layered tips, for whatever reason but they can be good if installed correctly.

The trick to Talisman (and other layered tips) is that you have to use a DAMN sharp blade when shaping and NOT cut against the grain of the leather. You cannot shape it with a scuffer or go at it in a hard manner with sandpaper to shape. I have found that if you use much friction or get the tip too hot during the install, it will weaken the bond of the laminates. They pull apart easy, so you have to shape them in a way that you won't "pull" on the leather very much. You want to shave it cleanly instead.

I had many of them come apart in the beginning, and was told by someone that if I got the tip shaper from porper, and make sure it is RAZOR sharp when doing any layered tip, I would not have the seperation problems. True it is. I spent the $120 to get the tool, and I don't have them fall apart anywhere near as much now. Not to mention, that tool is an awesome thing when doing tips of any kind. Perfect shape every time, and easy as pie.

You can find the tool here.
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That Porper Tool is one of the worst for a laminated cue tip (though it is great for LePro's and other non-laminated cue tips where there are no layers to seperate). Most folks do not keep their blade sharp and you have ZERO feel. It is easy, but not the best. Doing it by hand using a straight edge blade and sharpening with a stone after every couple of cue tips is by far the best method.
 
CrownCityCorey said:
That Porper Tool is one of the worst for a laminated cue tip (though it is great for LePro's and other non-laminated cue tips where there are no layers to seperate). Most folks do not keep their blade sharp and you have ZERO feel. It is easy, but not the best. Doing it by hand using a straight edge blade and sharpening with a stone after every couple of cue tips is by far the best method.
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Sounds to me like it would be a great idea for a company that sells laminated tips to put out an instructional video on the subject. :)

JWP
 
PetreeCues said:
I have installed many and have had mixed results.

I will tell you that they do seperate a little easier than other layered tips, for whatever reason but they can be good if installed correctly.

The trick to Talisman (and other layered tips) is that you have to use a DAMN sharp blade when shaping and NOT cut against the grain of the leather. You cannot shape it with a scuffer or go at it in a hard manner with sandpaper to shape. I have found that if you use much friction or get the tip too hot during the install, it will weaken the bond of the laminates. They pull apart easy, so you have to shape them in a way that you won't "pull" on the leather very much. You want to shave it cleanly instead.

I had many of them come apart in the beginning, and was told by someone that if I got the tip shaper from porper, and make sure it is RAZOR sharp when doing any layered tip, I would not have the seperation problems. True it is. I spent the $120 to get the tool, and I don't have them fall apart anywhere near as much now. Not to mention, that tool is an awesome thing when doing tips of any kind. Perfect shape every time, and easy as pie.

My Question is WHY would you have to take all of these precautions & special care & then have a customer who is pixxed at you? I have never had a delamination with ANY of the TIGER products. I wet em, I trim em, I color em, I shape em...& they never come back bad...JER
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I'm sorry to hear about the delamination as I was thinking about going back to them. I had one on my cue for 2 yrs and when I switched it looked almost new. Should have left it on.
 
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