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I haven't reviewed the whole thread but have seen some commentary on the player's skills.

I'm not a league player so I can't calibrate their ratings but just on intuition, it seems to me that they both would be about a 6.

They both seem to take so little time aiming their shots that they must be "feel" players...without a whole lot of feel.

Both seem to have little more than a general idea about the direction the CB will take.

Both have choppy...pokey strokes that you kinow in advance are going to let them down.

cubc has some weirdness going on with his closed bridge and a bridge length that is MUCH too long for his level of skill.

OMG has a SUPER concave right wrist position that I don't care for. A few top players have somewhat similar wrist positions that they seem to be able to overcome but it is a handicap for most IMHO.


I don't buy the lack of practice time excuse. Actually, the match stayed pretty even for a LONG time so he had plenty of time to get in gear...he just never did and just has sort of a ready, fire, aim approach so I doubt that his performance was much different than what is typical of him.
They both have plenty of nerve to get in the box under the circumstances and I guess it doesn't surprise me that OMG would have bet up with the 7 ball.

Regards,
Jim

I does surprise me that cubc gave her the weight because he shouldn't be giving weight to anything other than genuine bangers and anyone who can make 6 balls in a row would rob him.
 
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Barbara said:
Thanks Cuebacca! It was only a $50 bet, but every penny helps.

I hate to see homeless animals.

Barbara
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So do my wife & I. We have some feral cats that live in the boatyard, but come out from under the fence to eat. The one that my wife named 'baby kitty' got hit by a vehicle and could only scamper with it's front feet , while dragging it's entire rear half.

It tool her 4 days to coax it close enough to catch and took it to an animal shelter that accepted donations of food, litter, etc.

They gave Baby Kitty a tranquilizer and x-rayed her, but her spine was crushed and they put her to sleep. My wife brought them $100 worth of wet food, dry food and kitty litter.

The first 3 agencies that she called wouldn't come pickup or catch the animal or even take her if we caught it.

Doug
( in an attempt to stay on topic, I hope that noone puts cubc to sleep ) :)
 
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av84fun said:
Not to pick scabs...

Regards,
Jim
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Well, I LIKE to pick scabs and if I don't have any scabs, I have been known to pick the scabs of others (when they aren't looking).

Doug
( don't give me any of that ewwwwwwwww stuff ) imo
 
Sweet Marissa said:
There is a slight difference. I was frustratecd because I have never met Barbara, yet she was antagonistic in her posts towards me, and I made the comment. I also apologised later for it.

Cubc went on and on every day about Melinda. He slandered her with lies and made racist remarks. Anyone who has ever met her can tell you she is actually a friendly and funny young woman. I don't think an apology can be bought for that and maintain Melinda deserves one from him.
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I have met her and I dont think she is "friendly and funny" but she did do an admirable job and deserved the win. I applaud her. I also have never met Cubc and he definitely is not welcomed in my circle. Unless he can learn from his errant ways. I figure if Barbara can forgive you for using certain words we can forgive him. I mean at least in Christian principles much less human ones.
 
I'm just not going to let this thread end on a sour note like that. I just finished watching the whole match and interview and Melinda OMG is very funny in the interview. She also seems very nice and was very complementary to Cubc saying He played better than her, that he played spectacular in the beginning and that he believed this loss would probably help make him into a great player. OMG you have a beautiful game.

You guys both rock in my book. Sounds like things were said that were wrong but I guarantee whatever they were that I have said and done worse things so I will not judge anyone.

TAR you guys rock and look forward to another internet death match. Jay Helfert vs Joey A does sound pretty good.
 
av84fun said:
I haven't reviewed the whole thread but have seen some commentary on the player's skills.

I'm not a league player so I can't calibrate their ratings but just on intuition, it seems to me that they both would be about a 6.

They both seem to take so little time aiming their shots that they must be "feel" players...without a whole lot of feel.

Both seem to have little more than a general idea about the direction the CB will take.

Both have choppy...pokey strokes that you kinow in advance are going to let them down.

cubc has some weirdness going on with his closed bridge and a bridge length that is MUCH too long for his level of skill.

OMG has a SUPER concave right wrist position that I don't care for. A few top players have somewhat similar wrist positions that they seem to be able to overcome but it is a handicap for most IMHO.


I don't buy the lack of practice time excuse. Actually, the match stayed pretty even for a LONG time so he had plenty of time to get in gear...he just never did and just has sort of a ready, fire, aim approach so I doubt that his performance was much different than what is typical of him.
They both have plenty of nerve to get in the box under the circumstances and I guess it doesn't surprise me that OMG would have bet up with the 7 ball.

Regards,
Jim

I does surprise me that cubc gave her the weight because he shouldn't be giving weight to anything other than genuine bangers and anyone who can make 6 balls in a row would rob him.
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I agree. I can't tell you how many times I said to myself OMGWTF was he/her thinking.
He did help burn her screen name into my memory though. :rolleyes:
 
av84fun said:
I haven't reviewed the whole thread but have seen some commentary on the player's skills.

I'm not a league player so I can't calibrate their ratings but just on intuition, it seems to me that they both would be about a 6.

They both seem to take so little time aiming their shots that they must be "feel" players...without a whole lot of feel.

Both seem to have little more than a general idea about the direction the CB will take.

Both have choppy...pokey strokes that you kinow in advance are going to
let them down.

cubc has some weirdness going on with his closed bridge and a bridge length that is MUCH too long for his level of skill.

OMG has a SUPER concave right wrist position that I don't care for. A few top players have somewhat similar wrist positions that they seem to be able to overcome but it is a handicap for most IMHO.


I don't buy the lack of practice time excuse. Actually, the match stayed pretty even for a LONG time so he had plenty of time to get in gear...he just never did and just has sort of a ready, fire, aim approach so I doubt that his performance was much different than what is typical of him.
They both have plenty of nerve to get in the box under the circumstances and I guess it doesn't surprise me that OMG would have bet up with the 7 ball.

Regards,
Jim

I does surprise me that cubc gave her the weight because he shouldn't be giving weight to anything other than genuine bangers and anyone who can make 6 balls in a row would rob him.
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Well I haven't read the whole thread either and I'm not really aware of all that went down before this match but...

You have to understand that both of them are amateurs players, I would say strong C or B players so you can't expect them to play like pros or handle the pressure of $3000 on the line and the camera as pro players do.

I saw the match in 3 sessions and it was very entertaining to watch.
I would love to see some more amateurs action even without putting so much money on the line.

I don't think that she should have gotten any weight, I think that they are at the same level of play, each is a bit stronger in some aspects of the game compare to the other but over all they are equally skilled.

When giving weight I don't think that these balls should count as winners when dropped on the break or at least they should be placed in the rack somewhere where it will be very unlikely to sink them on the break and definitely not let the breaker rack!

If the 7 ball was not pocketed on the break twice (if I remember correctly) then this match could have taken forever... you can't really expect equally skilled amateurs players to get 8 ahead at any point of a match.

I think that with no weight and a race to 15 OMGWTF would have won it as she plays a more mature game then CubC does. He looked very frustrated at several points throughout the match.
 
skor said:
If the 7 ball was not pocketed on the break twice (if I remember correctly) then this match could have taken forever... you can't really expect equally skilled amateurs players to get 8 ahead at any point of a match.
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Where was the 7 ball placed in the rack when it was made on the break?

And did OMGWTF break from both sides of the table during the match?

Thanks,
JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
Where was the 7 ball placed in the rack when it was made on the break?

And did OMGWTF break from both sides of the table during the match?

Thanks,
JoeyA
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Left behind the one, she broke from the same side each time.
 
D_Lewis said:
Left behind the one, she broke from the same side each time.
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THANKS FOR THE INFO.

Most people who play less than A player's speed like to break from one side only. The racker should have placed the money ball on the same said in the second position as from where the breaker likes breaking from.

If they switch sides and can break equally well from both sides, the racker should move the money ball to the last two positions of the rack.

Some like to place the money ball in the last position but a savvy breaker can put the ants on the money ball in that position.

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
THANKS FOR THE INFO.

Most people who play less than A player's speed like to break from one side only. The racker should have placed the money ball on the same said in the second position as from where the breaker likes breaking from.

If they switch sides and can break equally well from both sides, the racker should move the money ball to the last two positions of the rack.

Some like to place the money ball in the last position but a savvy breaker can put the ants on the money ball in that position.

JoeyA
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She also racked for herself each time and had good movement on the 'money' ball each break.
 
D_Lewis said:
She also racked for herself each time and had good movement on the 'money' ball each break.
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Ohhhhhh. Smart racker.

Someone made a terrible mistake with "rack your own" with an additional money ball at stake.
JoeyA
 
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JoeyA said:
Ohhhhhh. Smart racker.

Someone made a terrible mistake with "rack your own" with an additional money ball at stake.
JoeyA
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Many people speculated that OMGWTF racked the balls, especially the 7 to gain advantage toward pocketing the ball...

Answer is NO. It was agreed from the begining, mainly due to the fact of the first rule, "rack your own" that the break must be made from the side where money ball is placed.

OMGWTF didn't play sly or cheat, but she did have more "luck/roll" factor going for her. One game for instance, she broke from (lets say left side) with the 7 ball places left to the one ball and pocketed the 7 ball on the left pocket she was facing. Balls had a funny movement and just pushed the 7 ball to the (illogical) side pocket.

Maybe, OMGWTF breaking from the head rail had something to do with it? As to not using the traditional extreme left or right by the head string?

Yes, she did not break from the center, sometimes left and sometimes right from the head rail, but the fact remains that SHE DID BREAK FROM THE SIDE HER MONEY BALL LAID.

S.
 
JoeyA said:
Ohhhhhh. Smart racker.

Someone made a terrible mistake with "rack your own" with an additional money ball at stake.
JoeyA
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Yeah and they had so much time to sort this kind of thing out so there aren't really any excuses.

Hindsight's 20/20 but I think it was more likely an overconfidence mistake than a comprehension one.

Still, he had his chances! :D
 
sunnyday said:
Many people speculated that OMGWTF racked the balls, especially the 7 to gain advantage toward pocketing the ball...

Answer is NO. It was agreed from the begining, mainly due to the fact of the first rule, "rack your own" that the break must be made from the side where money ball is placed.

OMGWTF didn't play sly or cheat, but she did have more "luck/roll" factor going for her. One game for instance, she broke from (lets say left side) with the 7 ball places left to the one ball and pocketed the 7 ball on the left pocket she was facing. Balls had a funny movement and just pushed the 7 ball to the (illogical) side pocket.

Maybe, OMGWTF breaking from the head rail had something to do with it? As to not using the traditional extreme left or right by the head string?

Yes, she did not break from the center, sometimes left and sometimes right from the head rail, but the fact remains that SHE DID BREAK FROM THE SIDE HER MONEY BALL LAID.

S.
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She was breaking very well! no one can take that away from her. Although I'm not a big fan of breaking from the head rail, it was working very well for her.
I'm sorry if my post suggested in any manner that she did something wrong, this was not my intention. I only wanted to point out that in my opinion, money balls other then the 9ball should not be counted as winners of the break.
 
No problem:)

skor said:
She was breaking very well! no one can take that away from her. Although I'm not a big fan of breaking from the head rail, it was working very well for her.
I'm sorry if my post suggested in any manner that she did something wrong, this was not my intention. I only wanted to point out that in my opinion, money balls other then the 9ball should not be counted as winners of the break.
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skor,

No need for apology. I just wanted to clear some confussion;)

cubc and OMGWTF had about 2 solid months to lay down the rules before the event took place. I think they've been at it (the fued) much longer but (I think) all the "Internet Woofing" started sometime in March.

He said wild 7, with both party's concent and that means it's good on the break too. It is truly rare to pocket the ball placed behind 1 that often from the breaking side - statistically.

S.
 
sunnyday said:
Many people speculated that OMGWTF racked the balls, especially the 7 to gain advantage toward pocketing the ball...

Answer is NO. It was agreed from the begining, mainly due to the fact of the first rule, "rack your own" that the break must be made from the side where money ball is placed.

OMGWTF didn't play sly or cheat, but she did have more "luck/roll" factor going for her. One game for instance, she broke from (lets say left side) with the 7 ball places left to the one ball and pocketed the 7 ball on the left pocket she was facing. Balls had a funny movement and just pushed the 7 ball to the (illogical) side pocket.

Maybe, OMGWTF breaking from the head rail had something to do with it? As to not using the traditional extreme left or right by the head string?

Yes, she did not break from the center, sometimes left and sometimes right from the head rail, but the fact remains that SHE DID BREAK FROM THE SIDE HER MONEY BALL LAID.

S.
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It doesn't matter if the match is free to watch. I'm just short on time and haven't the time or inclination at this time to watch it all. I saw a couple of minutes the other night but had to leave for some time on the table.

Besides my questions just give a little more "press" to two deserving opponents. :)

If my questions and statements give another person on the forum some insight into the game, then that's just a little lagniappe.

JA
 
JoeyA said:
It doesn't matter if the match is free to watch. I'm just short on time and haven't the time or inclination at this time to watch it all.

JA
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I've downloaded it and watched it in a few sessions when I had the time....
 
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