Target pool (my version)

Cdryden

Cdryden

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Ok, let me start off by saying I am not looking to rip off Kim Davenport in any way. It's just too hard to find the original so I am making my own. (not for sale) I wanted to be able to make something that my daughter and I can use that a training tool and a game and the target pool idea was about the best solution.

So I decided to make up a few shots ( I got 20 so far) and do a digital version of them so if anybody wants, they can have it for free. I also printed out my own target on a material called Artists Heavy Fabric which is about as close as I could come to pool table felt. In my shot diagrams I used the actual file of my target and superimposed it onto the pool.bz table. I also am adding a shot set-up description and a picture explaining the english I apply to get position.

My plan is to make myself a bunch of flash cards, each depicting one of the shots (my goal is to do at least 50). The a person would draw a card from the pile and attempt the shot. The game would be good for 1 to ? players and you would set a point limit of 50 or 100 or whatever.

Ethics issue: Ok not only is this stealing from Davenports idea but it is also using the pool.bz table image. I have no desire to sell this at all but do you think it is ok to give the files to someone for their own use? Or should I just keep it to myself.

So squash the whole thing or share it with everybody?

EXAMPLES:

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If I was the original copyright holder, I would take a serious look at re-issuing Target Pool. I think the advances in printing technology (pdfs, ebooks, on demand printing) makes it feasible and profitable to re-issue Target Pool.

Additional suggestions can be posted to this thread.

Take a look at GNU General Public License and Copyleft. I believe this may help the legal teeth to protect the rights of the contributors, authors, and keep to the spirit of sharing. It has worked for open sourced software. There is GIMP and Open Office, which has the same functionality of Adobe Photoshop and Microsoft Office.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft

To avoid possible copyright issues, maybe we should refer to this contributor version as TarJay Pool. To my ears it has a certain cachet.
 
ctyhntr said:
If I was the original copyright holder, I would take a serious look at re-issuing Target Pool. I think the advances in printing technology (pdfs, ebooks, on demand printing) makes it feasible and profitable to re-issue Target Pool.
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I agree about the re-issuing. I would love to have the original. Unfortunately that was the need that drove this solution for me.
 
This type of thing has been done in many ways before so I can't see it being a problem to give away. Bert Kinister's stuff is similar only you shoot to a piece of paper. The sweet sixteen is similar. 99 critical shots in pool is similar. Cue ball cheet sheets also (about 300 shots that you can get for $10 in pdf format or ebook that is like this and would be a great place to start for yourself). Etc,etc,etc.

The concept is not unique to his stuff, so as long as your not stealing his specific layouts and making up your own, I can't see why it is a probem from an ethical standpoint.
 
Luxury said:
I want any version of this so bad
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As long as it doesn't ruffle any feathers I am ok with giving you what I got. (as soon as it's done of course) But you will have to get your own target made. I will supply you with the digital version of my target if you want to use it.

It'll will take me a while to complete what I am doing. Meanwhile folks here can voice their opinion on the matter. If it seem like it's no biggie I will post a download link or something like that so that anyone who wants my material can have it for free.
 
Dr Dave suggested this target, with the center cut out, from Bob Jewett. The original was a square target taking up 1/4 to 1/6 of the table. I think a cutout, with just two zone (paper and cutout) would be better and works just as well.
http://billiards.colostate.edu/resources/target.pdf

Also comb through the past AZ postings. There were some great layouts.

Cdryden said:
As long as it doesn't ruffle any feathers I am ok with giving you what I got. (as soon as it's done of course) But you will have to get your own target made. I will supply you with the digital version of my target if you want to use it.

It'll will take me a while to complete what I am doing. Meanwhile folks here can voice their opinion on the matter. If it seem like it's no biggie I will post a download link or something like that so that anyone who wants my material can have it for free.
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ctyhntr said:
Dr Dave suggested this target, with the center cut out, from Bob Jewett. I think this concept is superior to the original. The original could take up 1/4 to 1/6 of the table, having the cueball roll on felt rather than paper would be more truer.

http://billiards.colostate.edu/resources/target.pdf
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Here's my post from the other thread if people want to see how the target is used for different types of drills:

Bob Jewett and I used a form of Target Pool on VEPP for both position and safety play. Here's the template we used:
We like cutting out the center and outside, leaving only the outer ring.

Examples of how it is used are demonstrated here:

Regards,
Dave
 
The only problem is the large, durable target.

It needs to be big. Try hitting a sheet of paper after length of the table position and you'll realize 8.5" x 11" is not gonna cut it. Archery targets can work. You can probably get a set of targets printed for cheap at a local print shop.

The old ones were like burlap, they were too thick IMO, slowly rolling balls wandered off. Paper may not last as long but once you have the file you just reprint.

The real gold of course is in Kim's specific challenges and the stats showing his scores (which are really sick, on some shots).

I'd pay up to $10 for the PDF with that info, and then print my own targets somewhere.
 
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