Team Philippines vs. Team America

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igme

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Who do you think will win at this match-up using the format of the Mosconi Cup? Let's say that Team America is composed of the current Mosconi cup players:

Johnny Archer
Rodney Morris
Earl Strickland
Shawn Putnam
Jeremy Jones
Charlie Williams

and Team Philippines will be made up of:

Efren Reyes
Francisco Bustamante
Marlon Manalo
Alex Pagulayan
Santos Sambajon
Jose Parica

Any thoughts?
 
change a couple of players for the usa and you might have a match otherwise the philippines win that match all day
 
no contest

I'm sorry, but this would be no contest. That's just the plain truth. Just take this year's US Open and KOTH as evidence.

A better matchup would be Team Philippines vs. Team Taiwan, with the Taiwan team consisting of...

Ching-shun Yang
Fong-pang Chao
Chia-Ching Wu
Pei-Wei Chang
Po-Cheng Kuo
Hui-Kai Hsia

Now that's a matcup i'd pay to see.
 
BTW, you really have to add Corey Deuel to Team America, and take out either Williams or Jones. But regardless, both Team Philippines and Team Taiwan would dominate the American team. Sad, but true.
 
Why do you think Team Philippines or Team Taiwan will dominate Team America? Used to be that Team America was the powerhouse of pool. Also, since Team America defeated Team Europe does it necessarily follow that Philippines and Taiwan will also dominate Europe?

Consider that America and Europe has probably more opportunities to really excell in pool (a lot of cue makers, better technology in making cues, availability of pool schools, more pool halls, etc.). Are Americans becoming less interested in the sport or do Asians just have to prove something more?
 
igme said:
Why do you think Team Philippines or Team Taiwan will dominate Team America?
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I already gave this year's US Open and KOTH as evidence. Just look at the first four players on Team Philippines...Reyes, Busta, Manalo, and Alex. Each one of them can consistently beat ALL the players from Team America. I don't think too many people would argue with that statement.
igme said:
Used to be that Team America was the powerhouse of pool.
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The key word is used...as in a decade or two ago.
igme said:
Also, since Team America defeated Team Europe does it necessarily follow that Philippines and Taiwan will also dominate Europe?
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Most definitely.
igme said:
Consider that America and Europe has probably more opportunities to really excell in pool (a lot of cue makers, better technology in making cues, availability of pool schools, more pool halls, etc.). Are Americans becoming less interested in the sport or do Asians just have to prove something more?
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Have you seen this thread? Gives various arguments on why the Filipinos and Taiwanese are so good today. Also, I agree that in general Americans today are becoming less interested in pool.
 
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igme said:
Why do you think Team Philippines or Team Taiwan will dominate Team America? Used to be that Team America was the powerhouse of pool. Also, since Team America defeated Team Europe does it necessarily follow that Philippines and Taiwan will also dominate Europe?

Consider that America and Europe has probably more opportunities to really excell in pool (a lot of cue makers, better technology in making cues, availability of pool schools, more pool halls, etc.). Are Americans becoming less interested in the sport or do Asians just have to prove something more?
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When the original World Team competition took place in the early 90's 1993?), Team USA with powerhouse names of the time didn't make it out of their bracket (North America Region) losing to Team Puerto Rico. This was probably the wakeup call that the "rest of the world" wasn't rolling over anymore.

Team Philippines easily won the entire event, as Team Puerto Rico was their only challenge at the time. Today, things would be different, but Team Philippines would be favored, IMO.

BTW, IIRC, Team Puerto Rico had names like Mike Lebron, Frankie Hernandez, Tony Robles, and Marco Marquez, guys that really don't exactly live in Puerto Rico. Believe it or not, Marquez was their weak link!!! Marco Marquez? The weak link??? That's strong.

Team Philippines had Efren, Parica, Franciso, Leonard Andam, and Rudolpho Luat. No weak links here, as all have won major open titles in the U.S.

Fred
 
Team Phillipines already dominated Team Taiwan last August I was there and Efren Busta and Alex weren't even on that team - Orcullo Manalo Lining Gabica and someone else completely dominated Chao, Pei Wei, etc.

Team Philippines with Alex, Efren, Busta, Manalo, Orcullo, and Parica would beat any Team International take your pick of the world!!!

A Team International that could give them a run would be:

Archer
Deuel
Immonen
Yang
Wu Chia
Fong Pang

And my money is still on the Philippines, especially if there is a large sum on CASH involved
 
EasyMoney said:
Team Phillipines already dominated Team Taiwan last August I was there...
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Curious, but what competition was this?...and who participated in the Taiwanese side? Thanks.
 
It was in August of 04 and it was at Robinson's Galleria in Manila. I can't remember the name of the tournament - but I know yang, chao and shun were on the team. I'm sure someone else must have heard about this, but the filipinos completely dominated the match.

I watched several matches (8) and Lining was the only filipino I saw actually lose.
 
jsp said:
I'm sorry, but this would be no contest. That's just the plain truth. Just take this year's US Open and KOTH as evidence.

A better matchup would be Team Philippines vs. Team Taiwan, with the Taiwan team consisting of...

Ching-shun Yang
Fong-pang Chao
Chia-Ching Wu
Pei-Wei Chang
Po-Cheng Kuo
Hui-Kai Hsia

Now that's a matcup i'd pay to see.
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You could make a team world, and this team would still be pretty tough to bet against.
 
igme said:
Who do you think will win at this match-up using the format of the Mosconi Cup? Let's say that Team America is composed of the current Mosconi cup players:

Johnny Archer
Rodney Morris
Earl Strickland
Shawn Putnam
Jeremy Jones
Charlie Williams

and Team Philippines will be made up of:

Efren Reyes
Francisco Bustamante
Marlon Manalo
Alex Pagulayan
Santos Sambajon
Jose Parica

Any thoughts?
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i'd replace sambajon with alcano,,,,,or maybe luat
 
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igme said:
Why
Consider that America and Europe has probably more opportunities to really excell in pool (a lot of cue makers, better technology in making cues, availability of pool schools, more pool halls, etc.). Are Americans becoming less interested in the sport or do Asians just have to prove something more?
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cues can be bought from anywhere to anywhere.

except for maybe the taiwanese, pool on a world-class level is not generally learned in "pool school".
 
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granted Alex is Canadian... in that case I'll pick Ronnie Alcano..... if this guy plays more tournaments as the big guns.. this guy will really shine... his shotmaking is elegant... his positioning is masterful... i hope he will see more action next year...
 
supergreenman said:
I'd just like to say that although Alex is from the phillipines he is a Canadian. :D :D :D :D
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yup....

has alex ever "declared" himself to be canadian, or has he always felt phillipine? it seems the latter to me.
 
The Taiwanese got SMOKED The Match was played

EVEN WITHOUT the greatest, the rest of the Philippines’ best proved enough to take on the dreaded Taiwanese cue artists.


Antonio "Nickoy" Lining and Antonio Gabica made short work of ChinShung Yang and Che-Wei Fu, 9-1, to hand the country the title in the RP-Taiwan 9-Ball Challenge at the Octagon Hall in Robinson’s Galleria.

Needing only five racks to secure the $40,000 winner’s share, the Filipino duo chose to go for the kill — a cold-blooded massacre in this case.

The Taiwanese, tagged as the Filipinos’ only rival in Asian billiards supremacy, settled for the loser’s purse of $20,000.

"Mahirap nang masilat kaya talagang tinarget namin yung panalo, said Lining, who finally showed the form that made him an international sensation not too long ago.

The score stood at 25-17 with two doubles matches remaining and the hosts are assured of at least a fourpoint winning margin.

Marlon Manalo and Dennis Orcullo earlier scored a convincing 9-3 win over the Taiwanese pair of Fong Pang Chao and PeiWei Chang to virtually clinch the title for the country.

The host is handicapped by the absence of pool legends Efren "Bata" Reyes and Francisco "Django" Bustamante, but their non-appearance only made the win more impressive considering that Taiwan brought in their howitzers led by twice World Pool champ Chao and Asian Games gold medal winner Yang.

Inspired by Manalo’s amazing come-from-behind 9-8 triumph over Yang in the final individual match Wednesday, the Filipinos raced to a 6-0 lead highlighted by Orcullo’s golden break on the sixth.

Counting Manalo’s eight-frame cluster in his win, the Filipinos had won 14 straight racks, the longest run in the threeday event sponsored by Motolite, PCSO, Elasto Seal, No Fear, Emperador Brandy, Air21, FedEx, Phil.Star, Fortune Tobacco and Tanduay

"Maganda ang naging simula namin kaya napressure agad yung mga kalaban," said Manalo, who in the process avenged his opening day loss to Chao.

True to Manalo’s observation, the Taiwanese appeared jittery in the midst of the Filipino’s assault with Chang missing gimmes including a simple side-to-side shot on the nine-ball in the 10th frame that enabled the Filipinos to reach the hill at 8-2.

With Gabica scoring two wins, the Philippines took a commanding 17-13 lead in individual plays.
 
Replace Putnam and Williams with Gabe Owen and
Corey Deuel and it's an even match.
I'm not sure Parica would play on this team,
hasn't he not gone back to the Philipenes in
like 20 years? I get the general feeling he
doesn't get along really well with the other
filipinos....of course I could be wrong.

Even better than just 2 countries, it would be
great to have a sort of team Davis Cup for pool.
You'd have: USA, Philipenes, Germany, Taiwan,
The Netherlands, Japan, Mexico, Canada. But
that kind of tournament would take at least 2
weeks or more.
 
First I'd change the US lineup in this scenario to make them more competitive in the individual matchups. With the teams you list the US probably loses overall. I don't have any idea about how well the Filipinos(sp?) play doubles though. Anybody got info on Filipino doubles play?

Terry
 
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