Don't they sorta call that the olympics?
Team Philippines vs. Team America
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Tbeaux said:
my initial feeling is that the filipinos are a very tight community of players, and that they share more than the americans. and that because the phillipine islands is small, they get accustomed to each other's styles. in other words,,,,i am guessing that they would partner up really well.
bruin70 said:
I dont know who he hung out with but i definitely would have bet he was Mexican. Pretty sure i heard him announced that way at one pocket tournament in Baton Rouge. Of the whole PR team, i dont think there has been a month spent in PR in the last 20 years. I know a guy who knows Marco well- ill ask him.
igme said:
I'd probably replace one guy on Team America with Corey Dueul and I'd replace Santos with someone else. Ramil Gallego, Rudolpho Luat or Leonardo Andam would all be good choices. Never the less, with this line up, or the line up that I just described, Team America would be the heavy underdog.
TEAM USA
ARCHER
STRICKLAND
DEUEL
MORRIS
SCHMIDT
I dont believe that anyone has to beat this group of players. Especially in those short races to 5. Now make it longer races and other games besides just 9 ball and we could have a different group of people
ARCHER
STRICKLAND
DEUEL
MORRIS
SCHMIDT
I dont believe that anyone has to beat this group of players. Especially in those short races to 5. Now make it longer races and other games besides just 9 ball and we could have a different group of people
bruin70 said:
I'll replace santos and parica w/ Alcano, Luat or Orcullo...and the price money will be $200,000 to the winner and $50,000 to the loser...hehehehehe
Gerry said:
In one pocket the U.S. would be big favorites.
I can't see any team beating that line-up.
The Philipenes would have Reyes, Parica, and
Pagulayan and that's really it. I've seen Busta
play one pocket and wasn't at all impressed.
Now if it was straight pool...the Germans would
dominate, no question.
Bobby said:
I dunno Bobby?....given a little time to practice up, the US could bring a very stoudt team
Rempe
Hopkins
Robles
Baroutti
Schmidt
and a bunch more outta New York I'm forgetting I'm sure. There are MANY 100+ ball runners in the States. We just never see the game played any more.
Gerry
If you go with national teams I think a number of countries could field 3 or more good strong teams. I also think Germany and the Netherlands would be very strong. By the way...the WPA rankings have Alex listed as Canadian, they also have Wendy Jans listed in the mens rankings
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Terry
.Terry
Gerry said:
Well, two players on that list have never run
300 balls. Robles (267), Barouty (287).
I don't know what Rempe's high run is but he's
not as good as he was 10 years ago. Schmidt
has a 400 ball run, I know Hopkins ran 420 or so
many years ago but he's dropped off quite a bit.
Now if you look at the Germans: Thomas Engert
has the highest official run on a 9ft table
ever (491), Hohmann has run over 400 as well.
Souquet, reigning U.S. Open 14.1 champion has
a high run of 350 I believe and Ortmann also
has a high run of well over 300. There's also
another German, I can't think of his name who
plays at a very high level.
Don't get me wrong I think the U.S. team would
definitely be 2nd best but I can't see betting
against the Germans.
BTW, there are no other great straight poolers
in NYC besides Barouty and Robles. Sure you've
got Steve Lipsky and Flaco and Tom Walter but
they're not quite world class. Ginky used to
be a very good 14.1 player but I don't see him
doing much lately.
Bobby
Gerry said:
i dunno gerry
rempe and hopkins are too old. barouty is a fine 14.1 player and i love his patterns, but he is simply not "world-class". add archer because he'll get longer runs. i think jones might be surprising.
...and 100+ is not good enough for the big boys. an in-stroke ginky is a good choice out of nyc along with robles, but there is honestly no one else in the area.
Bobby said:
I'm not that familiar with 14.1, but are high runs really the measure of how good a 14.1 player is? Mosconi had 526 but I think he gained his reputation consistanly being able to run 150. By the way female player Ga Young kim is reputed to have a high run over 400.
Terry
Tbeaux said:
for lesser players maybe not, because consistancy is an issue. a high run for them might be extraordinary. for the pros, i think high runs is a valid measure of their game, since they are more consistant. it also means they'll put together a long string of balls more often.
consider,,,and this will be off, but the approximate numbers are from what i last heard.....
engert, schmidt, strickland.....400+
robles......300
ginky........260
mika.........260
barouty....240
lipsky.......180
Aplayer....90-120
Bplayer....mid 50's
Cplayer....mid/high 30's
there seems to be a heirarchy of the runs/player ratio
i don't believe the ga young kim numbers. it would be the equivalent of a male player running 1000 over the next male player.
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Tbeaux said:
Yes high runs are an excellent indication of a
players 14.1 skill. True the matches usually
only go to 150 points but I'm certain that if
you could compare high runs with 150 and outs
you'd see that the players with the most 150's
would also have the highest high runs in
practice. Mosconi had so many 150's because he
ran 200, 300, 400 in practice more often than
anyone.
The claim of a 400 ball run by Ga Young Kim is
ludicrous. I don't know where you heard that.
The highest I've ever even heard of any woman
running is Jennifer Chen (156), I think Jeanette
Lee also has run in the 150's. If Ga Young Kim
ever ran near 400 balls Mitch Laurance would be
announcing it ad nauseum on ESPN whenever she
played.
Bobby
jsp said:
You replace Williams with Cory. Do that and keep the format of the Mosconi Cup and I dont think you can say the American team would be dominated. Player for player you would end up with a pretty even matchup in those short races. Corey is most definately a player would would need there though, he is one of the most dominant players the USA has despite recent lack of tournament wins. The way he beat Efren in the US Open this year shows that. Take a look at the team player for player on the US team, there is noone that is supposed to lose to anyone in the world. You have Archer who is one of the worlds elite, you have Strickland who in the short races seems to keep his head in this format and is therefore at worst 50/50 in any match against anyone, you have Rodney who managed 3rd in the Worlds, you have Corey who is truely as elite as anyone and simply has not broken through since refocusing, you have Jones who is a US Open champ and is likely a weak link, hell replace him with Sigel and you have a team I dont think is much of an underdog.
Plus Parica and Sambojon are stretching it as Philipino players, they both live off the US pool scene and have been living in the states for a long long time. Pagulayan is as much Canadian as he is Philipino. There are alot of true Philipino players available, Alcano is world class, Luat still has alot of game.
I think Efren, Busta, and Manalo are the only players on that Philipino team I see as honest picks to play for that country. The rest are ex-patriots and have honed their games in other areas. Alex takes a spot in the worlds from Canada, Santos had a spot in the worlds from the USA, so would Parica were he to qualify.