Team Philippines vs. Team America

Bobby said:
Yes high runs are an excellent indication of a
players 14.1 skill. True the matches usually
only go to 150 points but I'm certain that if
you could compare high runs with 150 and outs
you'd see that the players with the most 150's
would also have the highest high runs in
practice. Mosconi had so many 150's because he
ran 200, 300, 400 in practice more often than
anyone.

The claim of a 400 ball run by Ga Young Kim is
ludicrous. I don't know where you heard that.
The highest I've ever even heard of any woman
running is Jennifer Chen (156), I think Jeanette
Lee also has run in the 150's. If Ga Young Kim
ever ran near 400 balls Mitch Laurance would be
announcing it ad nauseum on ESPN whenever she
played.


Bobby


Have to agree-I'm pretty familiar with Ga Young's accomplishments and i have not heard anything like that.
Personally I don't think straight pool suits her personality.
 
Bobby said:
Yes high runs are an excellent indication of a
players 14.1 skill. True the matches usually
only go to 150 points but I'm certain that if
you could compare high runs with 150 and outs
you'd see that the players with the most 150's
would also have the highest high runs in
practice. Mosconi had so many 150's because he
ran 200, 300, 400 in practice more often than
anyone.

The claim of a 400 ball run by Ga Young Kim is
ludicrous. I don't know where you heard that.
The highest I've ever even heard of any woman
running is Jennifer Chen (156), I think Jeanette
Lee also has run in the 150's. If Ga Young Kim
ever ran near 400 balls Mitch Laurance would be
announcing it ad nauseum on ESPN whenever she
played.


Bobby

Hi, Bobby, hope you're well. FYI, the highest runs I know of in the history of women's 14.1 are:

Jeanette Lee 152
Jean Balukas 134
Ruth MacGuiness 134

Ga Young Kim has the talent to take a shot at beating these runs if she ever gets serious about straight pool.
 
Alex has dual-citizenship. I'm pretty sure of that, as he played for Team Philippines at the recently concluded South East Asian Games (SEAG 2005). Santos and Parica can also avail, if not yet. Regardless of where they have stayed longer, all are born in the Philippines and are still regarded as Filipinos.

I'm pretty sure all the above would love to play for Team Philippines, if asked. It's upto the Grand Daddy(Puyat) of Philippine Pool to choose the team members.

I think next year or 2007, you'll see who really is the best team in Asia when the next Asian Games is played. No excuses this time. :D
 
Nostroke said:
Have to agree-I'm pretty familiar with Ga Young's accomplishments and i have not heard anything like that.
Personally I don't think straight pool suits her personality.

Can't remember if it was 400+ or 300+, but it was posted on a thread in this forum. Probably a Gremlin post since I can't find it now. I find it hard to believe too, Ga isn't consistant enough for a run that long right now. By the way in searching I ran into some Fast Larry threads, jeez was that guy long winded.

Terry
 
igme said:
Who do you think will win at this match-up using the format of the Mosconi Cup? Let's say that Team America is composed of the current Mosconi cup players:

Johnny Archer
Rodney Morris
Earl Strickland
Shawn Putnam
Jeremy Jones
Charlie Williams

and Team Philippines will be made up of:

Efren Reyes
Francisco Bustamante
Marlon Manalo
Alex Pagulayan
Santos Sambajon
Jose Parica

Any thoughts?

This is a bit ridiculous. Looking at the last two major championships:

At the US Open, Pagualyan, Parica and Bustamante came 1,2,3.

At the IPT 8-ball event, in the tournament to face the king of the hill, Reyes, Bustamante, and Manalo, came 1,2,3.

The Fillipinos are the real deal, and have proved it time and time again.

Warren Kiamco, Rodolfo Luat, Ronnie Alcano, Antonio Lining, Leonardo Andam and Edgar Acaba (call them the Fillipino "B" team) would probably be favored over the American team you've put together.
 
sjm said:
This is a bit ridiculous. Looking at the last two major championships:

At the US Open, Pagualyan, Parica and Bustamante came 1,2,3.

At the IPT 8-ball event, in the tournament to face the king of the hill, Reyes, Bustamante, and Manalo, came 1,2,3.

The Fillipinos are the real deal, and have proved it time and time again.

Warren Kiamco, Rodolfo Luat, Ronnie Alcano, Antonio Lining, Leonardo Andam and Edgar Acaba (call them the Fillipino "B" team) would probably be favored over the American team you've put together.

Something I noticed looking through major tournaments results from the past year is that if there are only two or three Filipinos in the competition they ARE beatable. When there are four or more then it starts to become a given that two at least finish in the top three. When first place is BIG BUCKS they manage to sweep.

Terry
 
for a 9 ball tournament id have to go with the filipinos, i dont think any other country has been as internationally dominant as them this decade and if you include their abroad citizens like parica and pagulayan everybody on the team would be world class.

wouldnt the taiwanese be a good bet to win a 14.1 team tournament? i heard chao was pretty damn good, and 14.1 is pretty popular there so i imagine others such as yang cant be far behind.
 
if the format is like the Mosconi Cup then it is extremely difficult to beat the Filipinos. they are almost unbeatable in doubles... if I remember right Team USA was "thrashed" by Team Philippines 2 years in a row about 10 years ago in Philippines.. and I don't think they beat Team Philippines in doubles..
 
Tbeaux said:
Can't remember if it was 400+ or 300+, but it was posted on a thread in this forum. Probably a Gremlin post since I can't find it now. I find it hard to believe too, Ga isn't consistant enough for a run that long right now. By the way in searching I ran into some Fast Larry threads, jeez was that guy long winded.

Terry

I fired off a couple of emails-It's ony 50/50 though that i will get a definitive answer.

I think i vaguely remember someone posting a super high run for some female but it wasnt Ga Young and it was soon disproven IIRC- It may have been Jennifer Chen.
 
Nostroke said:
I fired off a couple of emails-It's ony 50/50 though that i will get a definitive answer.

I think i vaguely remember someone posting a super high run for some female but it wasnt Ga Young and it was soon disproven IIRC- It may have been Jennifer Chen.

Ummm could be J.C.. Either player though is a little to errattic in my opinion to stay that long at the table. But I find it hard to believe Jeanettes hi run is the highest for women. I wonder what Gerdas is. She's played some 14.1 I think.

Terry
 
Bobby said:
Even better than just 2 countries, it would be
great to have a sort of team Davis Cup for pool.
You'd have: USA, Philipenes, Germany, Taiwan,
The Netherlands, Japan, Mexico, Canada. But
that kind of tournament would take at least 2
weeks or more.

Maybe someone could suggest this to Kevin Trudeau. I think thats gonna be one hell of a tournament.
 
bruin70 said:
cues can be bought from anywhere to anywhere.

except for maybe the taiwanese, pool on a world-class level is not generally learned in "pool school".

Still the U.S. probably has more cue makers than any other country. I know that cues can be bought from anywhere to anywhere, even the Philippines have their share of cue makers. But still I think that the cues made in the u.s. are better made than that in the Philippines. Given the currency exchange rates of philippine peso vs the almighty dollar, very few filipinos can afford foreign made cues. Can you honestly say that majority of Philippine made cues are up to par
with U.S. made ones. Just read some of the comments in some posts regarding Philippine made cues. With regards to "pool schools", what I'm saying is that at least this option is available to americans where they can have certified instructors to teach and guide players or all different levels.
 
Tbeaux said:
Ummm could be J.C.. Either player though is a little to errattic in my opinion to stay that long at the table. But I find it hard to believe Jeanettes hi run is the highest for women. I wonder what Gerdas is. She's played some 14.1 I think.

Terry

Gerda's high run is between 100 and 110. I think its 106, but I'm not 100% certain. It came in league play in the Corner Billiards Straight Pool league in NYC about two and a half years ago, and it was her first and only century. As you suggest, Gerda has played some 14.1, and she plays the game extremely well.
 
Nostroke said:
Have to agree-I'm pretty familiar with Ga Young's accomplishments and i have not heard anything like that.
Personally I don't think straight pool suits her personality.
I agree no way can she run 400 balls. She is a great player but not that good.:eek:
 
igme said:
Still the,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Can you honestly say that majority of Philippine made cues are up to par
with U.S. made ones. Just read some of the comments in some posts regarding Philippine made cues. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.

i can honestly say that who has the better cues means nothing when determining who has the advantage in growing better players. it is an unreasonable argument to assume otherwise.
 
Philippines players

It's no secret why the Philippines leads the pack for producing the highest quality pool players. But the reasons are many. The why's and wherefores would make a great thread.
 
Tbeaux said:
I'm not that familiar with 14.1, but are high runs really the measure of how good a 14.1 player is? Mosconi had 526 but I think he gained his reputation consistanly being able to run 150. By the way female player Ga Young kim is reputed to have a high run over 400.

Terry

ROFL there is no way that's true. Where did you hear that rumor?
 
I'll agree that a high run is a measure of a player, but lets not forget Jimmy Caras winning the U.S. Open straight pool in like 1965? from the losers bracket ( I think 11 matches ) and never running more than around 60 balls. I have the comment on one of my Accu-stats matches. So, we know he was playing with ALL the giants in that tourny, Lassiter, Crane, Balsis, Mosconi, etc. My point is, you don't have to be a 200 ball runner to play world class 14.1, it does'nt hurt:), but table management is equally important.

On a side note, I had a few lessons years ago with Jimmy Caras at Drexeline Billiards in Pa, and he was SUCH a great person to be around. The first thing he had me do was learn 14.1. I was'nt really ready for his teaching, but he made me feel like I was playing great!....as long as I got away from 9ball for a while:)......Gerry
 
Taiwanese Team also lost to Japanese Team in the same year. Can you say Japanese Team is better than Taiwanese Team? Taiwanese have ever had Taiwan vs Japan, Taiwan vs Philippines and Taiwan vs the rest World, and lost their most doubles matches. Taiwanese players don't seem to like the team competition.
 
Cornerman said:
When the original World Team competition took place in the early 90's 1993?), Team USA with powerhouse names of the time didn't make it out of their bracket (North America Region) losing to Team Puerto Rico. This was probably the wakeup call that the "rest of the world" wasn't rolling over anymore.

Team Philippines easily won the entire event, as Team Puerto Rico was their only challenge at the time. Today, things would be different, but Team Philippines would be favored, IMO.

BTW, IIRC, Team Puerto Rico had names like Mike Lebron, Frankie Hernandez, Tony Robles, and Marco Marquez, guys that really don't exactly live in Puerto Rico. Believe it or not, Marquez was their weak link!!! Marco Marquez? The weak link??? That's strong.

Team Philippines had Efren, Parica, Franciso, Leonard Andam, and Rudolpho Luat. No weak links here, as all have won major open titles in the U.S.

Fred


I have 100% confirmation that Marco is Mexican- Maybe it was team Mexico Fred?
 
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