Team USA Still in the Lead

JAM said:
Americans are not as loud when we host the Cup. Of course, Americans show a lot of class when it comes to hosting pocket billiard events.
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Yes, Earl has always been the standard of class and respect when it comes to the Mosconi cup, how did we forget ?

Also, since you talk about gambling, do I need to remind you that heckling is part of that ? So how can your brave americans gamble when they can't shoot in an environment that doesnt resemble an empty cellar or a cave ? Isnt shane 98% deaf so technically he couldnt hear anything ? Whats his excuse at every single Mosconi cup ? Camera flashes ? Alternate break ? Oh yes, short races.

Lastly, I hope USA keeps Dechaine for a very long time on the team. What's his shooting percentage ? Below 30% ? Fantastic player
 
Matchroom, please take note on how the Canadians feel about American pool players and American pool in general. I hope they never make it one continent (North America) versus Europe. Never! :mad:

Earl has always been the biggest draw at any tournament he steps foot in. That's why the Europeans pay him to visit them on their soil.
 
Our players, especially Shane, play waaaaay to Aggressive for short races. When Shane goes for the super tough shot that doesnt have guaranteed position he sells out in the short race.

Longer race and he has more time to make it up and there is less chance of him missing a bunch of those shots. One miss like that will completely screw you in a race to 5. Especially alternating break where your opponent gets to the table no matter how good or bad you play.

The Euros just play a much more conservative game the we do and that is what wins races to 5. Justin's full table, off angle 1-9 combo yesterday was absolutely amazing and at that point our guys didnt have much to lose, but a missed shot like that and we lost that set worse then what we already did. IMO, that was the best match of the tournament so far, with the exception of Justin and Skylar on Day 1.

9-ball is very aggressive in general and at a lower level like most of us Amateurs the aggressiveness can win a short race. At the elite level it sells it out.
 
Icon of Sin said:
Our players, especially Shane, play waaaaay to Aggressive for short races. When Shane goes for the super tough shot that doesnt have guaranteed position he sells out in the short race.

Longer race and he has more time to make it up and there is less chance of him missing a bunch of those shots. One miss like that will completely screw you in a race to 5. Especially alternating break where your opponent gets to the table no matter how good or bad you play.

The Euros just play a much more conservative game the we do and that is what wins races to 5. Justin's full table, off angle 1-9 combo yesterday was absolutely amazing and at that point our guys didnt have much to lose, but a missed shot like that and we lost that set worse then what we already did. IMO, that was the best match of the tournament so far, with the exception of Justin and Skylar on Day 1.

9-ball is very aggressive in general and at a lower level like most of us Amateurs the aggressiveness can win a short race. At the elite level it sells it out.
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I agree with this school of thought. I think Shane prefers to be in complete control of his game when in competition. In fact, Keith said the same thing yesterday when watching a few matches.
 
jay helfert said:
Sorry Jam, but no sale here. I'm rooting for Team USA as well, but we are currently getting our nuts shot off. I think Keithly would agree.
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I agree. That's ANCIENT history. In modern sports when you lose a series/match 5-6 times in a row, what you did before the losing started means NADA.
 
Regardless if the format is good or bad, or anything from the crowd. The USA team prepared for everything they are encountering. They are just losing, have not been playing terribly, just not good enough to win!
 
King T said:
People have shifted to One Pocket because its alternate break which means you get a chance to start with the advantage. You don't have to make that tough shot for your Money you can duck or take a foul. One Pocket doesn't require any special break skills and if you really understand the game you can stay in there with a player far better then you, still be competitive.



The whole world is playing 9 Ball and now that we cant win its the game, no its the player. Don't hate the game, hate the player!
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I disagree. The game has been changed so yeah, it is the game. If they're so proficient then how come the rest of the worlds players outside the US whined until the formats were changed?

The game thrived here for a VERY long time with no need for the format changes, well unless you can't keep up, which they couldn't in the winner break format with the 1 on the spot, hence the whining and the change. If you think it doesn't make a difference then look at how well the Ko's & Euros do in winner break formats, not so well.
 
vladmin said:
Yes, Earl has always been the standard of class and respect when it comes to the Mosconi cup, how did we forget ?

Also, since you talk about gambling, do I need to remind you that heckling is part of that ? So how can your brave americans gamble when they can't shoot in an environment that doesnt resemble an empty cellar or a cave ? Isnt shane 98% deaf so technically he couldnt hear anything ? Whats his excuse at every single Mosconi cup ? Camera flashes ? Alternate break ? Oh yes, short races.

Lastly, I hope USA keeps Dechaine for a very long time on the team. What's his shooting percentage ? Below 30% ? Fantastic player
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Lol right on point, earl for years has been a disgrace to the sport despite his glorious days.

The only way for Usa to bring back its glory day is to acknowledge that they are far inferior in so many aspects of the game which is why they are not able to compete internationally anymore.

Keep lying , being delutional and devising comforting excuses
( big pockets , table cloth , short races, break format, hostile crowd ) will only bring down the standards of the Usa.

If u lose once , could be luck.
Twice , could be luck again.
Thrice , not really ,
And thats what the US of A has to understand and wake up , taiwanese dominance , filipino invasion amd european intrusion are here to stay in the world of pool !
 
The United States should protest the Mosconi Cup until the races are changed to 100 per point. Each player has to put up 100k of their own money so it is really gambling. Then and only then will we be able to determine who the better team is.

If US still loses, need to figure out something else to protest and get changed.
 
JAM said:
Team USA has won the Mosconi Cup 11 times, Team Europe 10 times, and there was one tie. I think the Cup is supposed to be a fun us-versus-them kind of competition. To read more about Mosconi Cup history, check out Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosconi_Cup

Shirt fouls, short races to 5, Europeans screaming at the top of their lungs every time an American is aiming for a shot, it's not hard to figure out what's happening here. Let those European tournament soldiers step up to the plate in an action match, one on one, for real money at the Derby and see who's the best in the land. My money is on the Americans, who play all games of pocket billiards. Americans are not one-trick ponies. There, I said it!

Tie goes to the winner, so they say. Even after this year's Cup, USA is still in the lead *and* the overall winner. :cool:
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why not bring-up the revolutionary war while you're at it:rolleyes:
 
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Bank it said:
I disagree. The game has been changed so yeah, it is the game. If they're so proficient then how come the rest of the worlds players outside the US whined until the formats were changed?

The game thrived here for a VERY long time with no need for the format changes, well unless you can't keep up, which they couldn't in the winner break format with the 1 on the spot, hence the whining and the change. If you think it doesn't make a difference then look at how well the Ko's & Euros do in winner break formats, not so well.
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Perhaps the stupidest post of the thread. If you want to know why the game got changed, blame an American. Corey Deuel.
 
Bank it said:
I disagree. The game has been changed so yeah, it is the game. If they're so proficient then how come the rest of the worlds players outside the US whined until the formats were changed?

The game thrived here for a VERY long time with no need for the format changes, well unless you can't keep up, which they couldn't in the winner break format with the 1 on the spot, hence the whining and the change. If you think it doesn't make a difference then look at how well the Ko's & Euros do in winner break formats, not so well.
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What year(s) was the Mosconi cup played to winner breaks?
 
Bank it said:
Actually a lot of people care. So you sit there over a plate of bubble & squeak feeling superior because your representative team is winning at something they really couldn't win until they whined enough for the format change. If you have to change the rules to be competitive because you couldn't be before, well that's a hollow victory. Collect your participation ribbon at the door.
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This is a public forum and a public thread. I have no interest in private messages and a silly side thread of discussion. Nor am I interested in private abuse.
 
Bank it said:
Not referring to the invented Circus of Mosconi Cup. Referring to the game itself. This Cup is nothing more than a promotion, it has little to do with the game.
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You really are a troll aren't you?

But I'll bite lol

The USA dominated this for the first ten years or so. TO THIS FORMAT. Then they got weaker as the Europe team got stronger.

FACT

Europeans and indeed players from other continents now win most major tournaments,

FACT

Any questions?
 
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