Testing Your Stroke

I only have access to billiard tables these days
How can you have this wonderful problem? Where do you live?

I can’t convince anyone anywhere to buy a single billiards table in my area. I even bought a house, refinished the basement for a billiards table, and then when it was ready ended up divorced. Lol. So I can’t even buy one myself.
 
The 'Longer the Follow-thru' the more the CB deflects.

The 'Shorter' the less deflection. But, No jab!
This is not true.

What is happening is that you are slightly changing your tip position, or your coupling of your arm to the mass of the cue, or hitting the ball harder, even if you think you aren’t. It is impossible for follow through length to have an affect on end mass.

The only thing you can do to a ball is modify the location, angle, and magnitude of the impact vector. Anything else violates Newtonian physics.

Cue acceleration just helps you be super accurate with tip position and consistency.
 
How can you have this wonderful problem? Where do you live?

I can’t convince anyone anywhere to buy a single billiards table in my area. I even bought a house, refinished the basement for a billiards table, and then when it was ready ended up divorced. Lol. So I can’t even buy one myself.
I'm sorry for your divorce, amigo.

I'm living in France, but I hope to be back to the states in about a year. I agree that it's not the worst problem to have, but I love pool...billiards is great, but I stink at it.
 
This is not true.

What is happening is that you are slightly changing your tip position, or your coupling of your arm to the mass of the cue, or hitting the ball harder, even if you think you aren’t. It is impossible for follow through length to have an affect on end mass.

The only thing you can do to a ball is modify the location, angle, and magnitude of the impact vector. Anything else violates Newtonian physics.

Cue acceleration just helps you be super accurate with tip position and consistency.

While I don't have an immediate answer to contradict your claim, which I have put in large bold font, it is not immediately clear to me that it is correct.

If you have some proof that you are prepared to make that will defend that claim, then I am all ears. Otherwise, I suggest taking a step back and thinking it over carefully. I really don't think this is obvious. Impact mechanics can be complex and non-intuitive.
 
This is not true.

What is happening is that you are slightly changing your tip position, or your coupling of your arm to the mass of the cue, or hitting the ball harder, even if you think you aren’t. It is impossible for follow through length to have an affect on end mass.

The only thing you can do to a ball is modify the location, angle, and magnitude of the impact vector. Anything else violates Newtonian physics.

Cue acceleration just helps you be super accurate with tip position and consistency.
There are literally a Million 3 cushion players, like myself who would NOT agree with Your statement.

This is REAL, Not Virtual stuff.
 
PVC, I gave lou his props, "Nice shot." He was defiantly 'jacked up' on the rail, so, His CB I'm pretty sure was 'airborne/piquet/semi-masse path to the OB.

I don't need to 'jump through hoops' to make the ball and get the effect on the CB I want.

And thanks for that.

However, though I m no video expert it's pretty clear to me that you were also shooting down on the ball. Perhaps not as much as I was but in these two screen captures you can seen the CB starts curving as soon as you hit it and then it jumps up off the OB on its way to the rail.

Lou Figueroa
 

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And thanks for that.

However, though I m no video expert it's pretty clear to me that you were also shooting down on the ball. Perhaps not as much as I was but in these two screen captures you can seen the CB starts curving as soon as you hit it and then it jumps up off the OB on its way to the rail.

Lou Figueroa
These 2 screenshots Don't prove anything!
 
How can you have this wonderful problem? Where do you live?

I can’t convince anyone anywhere to buy a single billiards table in my area. I even bought a house, refinished the basement for a billiards table, and then when it was ready ended up divorced. Lol. So I can’t even buy one myself.
very sorry to learn that.
hope all improves for you
 
I have a very dumb question for @mr3cushion and @lfigueroa: did you guys use low left or high left on the shot?

@bbb had the courtesy to remind me in a private message that the cueball starts frozen to the rail on this shot, therefore bottom left is not possible with a level cue.

Larry, you're way too nice. You gotta call me out in public when I say something dumb in public. lol
 
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There are literally a Million 3 cushion players, like myself who would NOT agree with Your statement.

This is REAL, Not Virtual stuff.
I’ll come back to this later. I think there are issues of definitions. I’ll work on this since I need to anyway
 
I’ll come back to this later. I think there are issues of definitions. I’ll work on this since I need to anyway
There is No mystery to Top 3C players. There are 5 'basic strokes.' Plus, 'combinations of certain strokes.'

1. Normal follow-thru stroke.
2. Rapid stroke.
3. Short stroke.
4. Slow stroke.
5. Dead-ball stroke.
 
There is No mystery to Top 3C players. There are 5 'basic strokes.'

1. Normal follow-thru stroke.
2. Rapid stroke.
3. Short stroke.
4. Slow stroke.
5. Dead-ball stroke.

Don't forget the one where you shoot down on the ball a bit : -)

Lou Figueroa
 
YOU jacked up and shot 'Down' and Your cue went flying up!

What stroke/follow-thru category would that fall under?

uh, the jacked up and shoot down category?

How about yours? Clearly, your cue is not level. Then, as further evidence, the CB curves or maybe just jumps up in the air because you're hitting down on the shot.

Hips don't lie and neither does the video *you* provided.

Lou Figueroa
with apologies
to Shakira
 

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uh, the jacked up and shoot down category?

How about yours? Clearly, your cue is not level. Then, as further evidence, the CB curves because you're hitting down on the shot.

Hips don't lie and neither does the video *you* provided.

Lou Figueroa
I Never mentioned "My" cue was perfectly level. In "My" video with a 'Perfect' stroke the cue follows the 'same plane' it originates from.

I'd say there's a Huge difference between "My" stroke and yours. "My" cue Never quivers off the line of aim a mm.
 
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