Thank You Eric

[Peer]

Colin Colenso wrote:
> I think it's strange that people see a big difference between
> verbal and physical attacks. Though they are of different kind,
> they can be equally hurtful and harmful.


I heartily agree. As much as I hate all those insecure men in this nation who beat up on their girlfriends and spouses, it baffles me that verbal abuse (often by the same type of individuals) isn't an issue for the courts. Violence can both be physical and verbal. Hence, after reading quite a bit of Fast Larry's wrath, I certainly think he is a violent person.

-- peer

 

[ScottW]

Couldn't have happened to a "nicer" guy. :/

 

[sjm]

I think it's strange that people see a big difference between verbal and physical attacks. Though they are of different kind, they can be equally hurtful and harmful.

A lot of truth in this. In the case of a verbal or physical assault, the first blow is often the first of many, but sometimes a single blow is enough to do serious damamge to the victim. Both kinds of attacks are usually impulsive. Still, making a verbal attack, in my view, shows far more self-control than making a phyical attack. Each kind of attack may have unintended or unforeseen consequences, but such consequences tend to br more serious in the case of physical attack.

Read Billy Budd by Herman Melville. Had Billy's assault on Claggart, the master-at-arms of Billy's ship, been verbal rather than physical, Claggart doesn't die. Of course, Billy Budd didn't intend to kill Claggart, but all interpetations of the work agree on one point: Billy didn't know any other way to express himself at a moment of extreme frustration. While Billy Budd is a figure whom me admire and with whom we empathize, he also reminds us that those who can't express themselves without physical violence present a serious problem to those around them.

 

[macguy]

You know, we can all whine and admonish Eric for his actions all we want... but who HASN'T read one of Larry's posts and wanted to jab him in the face?

As for him being a senior citizen... I guess he really should have kept the fragile nature of his body in mind when he was berating and making inexcusable sexual insinuations about someone he had never laid eyes on.

I'll be the first in line to donate to the legal fund of the guy who punched FL. Not because I ever had an encounter with him, or even spoke to him for that matter; mainly, because if you can't show an ounce of decency to your fellow man, I don't think he should be expected to have an ounce of pity for you.

-Matt

Start ponying up because it is going to be in the tens of thousands. maybe Eric can give you an address to send your check to.

 

[Secaucus Fats]

Sometimes you reap what you sow.....


Karma's a ***** aint it.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Seems like FL forgot the old advice not to let his alligator mouth get his hummingbird ass in trouble.

Some guys think they can hide behind a keyboard and spew all sorts of insults and threats with impunity. They forget that the real world is a relatively small place, and sooner or later, they're quite likely to run into the same folks they insulted.

Like they say "Don't start nothing..won't be nothing".

 

[Barbara]

Readers Digest version:

Larry and Eric have been going at it for years on RSB and other forums-

A couple of years ago at Valley Forge, there was incident (verbal) between Eric and Larry, Larry called security or something. Larry came home, got on the computer and told everyone he beat Eric to a pulp. Thats just Larry.

For the past couple of years Larry has accused Eric and I of being everybody on Az, RSB, and every other forum. He thinks Eric and I were Yapping Wolf. That's just Fast Larry. He does the same thing to Mike Howerton - he's everybody too... he might be you too!

A quick google groups search will show that Larry has actually challenged Eric to a fight on hundreds of occasions - Late last year Larry avoided a tournament at Comet Billiards in Parsippany, NJ to avoid Eric after he repeatedly made racist and bigoted comments towards him.

Let me just say that I do not condone violence in any way. I spoke with Larry on the phone and I had told him that if he kept antagonizing people that someday somebody would get their hands on him and he better be careful with what he says and does. Larry told me not to worry and that he was a registered 9th degree black belt in some odd form of karate and that he would kill any attacker with one punch. I guess it didnt work out for him.

I really hope Larry is not hurt. He has had some problems with his back and his eyes recently and his health (physical and mental) has been a constant struggle for him. I am going to try and call Larry's wife Sarah or Steve Lillis this afternoon to see if he is ok.

There is this misconception that I "hate" Fast Larry. I don't, and Larry knows that. We have spent countless hours on the phone talking with each other. Larry has many friends that have tried to assist him over the years to try and keep him on the right path. Every so often, Larry turns on everyone around him, it has a lot to do with his medication. Its not because Larry is a bad person. He's not a bad person. Of course I have received a lot of his wrath over the past few years, but I would never support or condone anyone physically attacking Fast Larry. When I heard about another incident between Eric and Larry, I figured it was another verbal incident, not physical violence. Larry is not a violent person, he just likes irritating people on the internet. Its just what he does.

The Fast Larry Museum

And yet you post this on SocalPoolTalk.com:

According to Jimbo, something happened at Valley Forge between Eric and The Fast One (aka The Disease) - thought reports are sketchy at this point, I would like to extend my gratitude to Eric and say that I find him to be a great asset to the online pool community. To Larry... well like I told you on the phone - if you go around pissing people off, eventually they are going to call you out - too bad you don't listen to anybody.

Once again, thank you Eric!!! You rock!!!

So which is it? You don't like FL or you don't condone violence?

Barbara

 

[DawgAndy]

I seriously doubt Eric "wrecked his life" If he doesn't have any priors there probably won't be any jail time. He may get sued but depending on the courts, you never know how that turns out. It is simple, FL's mouth wrote checks his ass couldn't cash, happens everyday. My dad used to call them "attitude adjustments " and they happened once a week or so at our house. Where was FLs attack dog?Putting on a trick shot exhibition?


Andy

 

[Peer]

Barbara wrote this to straybullet:
> So which is it? You don't like FL or you don't condone violence?


So which is it, Barbara; do you condone verbal violence or only physical?

-- peer

 

[Rude Dog]

It is simple, FL's mouth wrote checks his ass couldn't cash....

Andy

That's hilarious!!!

 

[macguy]

I seriously doubt Eric "wrecked his life" If he doesn't have any priors there probably won't be any jail time. He may get sued but depending on the courts, you never know how that turns out. It is simple, FL's mouth wrote checks his ass couldn't cash, happens everyday. My dad used to call them "attitude adjustments " and they happened once a week or so at our house. Where was FLs attack dog?Putting on a trick shot exhibition?


Andy

Better take a reality check. Larry may be hurt and even if he is not could claim he can no longer perform his show as a result of this. He I am sure he has years worth of contracts showing what he does as well as TV appearances. He can make a pretty compelling case and even if there was no real judgment will still cost Eric a small fortune to defend himself. I could easily see Larry winning a sizable judgment against him though and Like I say Larry could really be hurt, Develop a blood clot or who knows what, possible have a stroke from this. Remember the two old guys in Florida a couple of years ago One shoved the other at a movie theater and the guy died. He was charged with man slaughter and went broke trying to stay out of jail. The first case was a deadlock and the second time around he pleaded out to a year and several years of house arrest. Point is, you put your hands on someone and you are going to pay. Eric is in deep s&^t no matter how you look at it and Larry is not letting it drop, that is for sure.

 

[CaptiveBred]

Start ponying up because it is going to be in the tens of thousands.

You are such an extremist, macguy lol Sounds like he just punched the guy. I've thrown a few punches in my life and I can't remember if any of them cost me something substantial. I would remember 5 digits

it baffles me that verbal abuse (often by the same type of individuals) isn't an issue for the courts.
-- peer

OMG, Peer. Do you really want every breath you take to be regulated? We are all big boys, and girls. Dealing with people is an aquired social skill you develope in adolescence not a function of the government. My mum taught me how to survive with minimal supervision... Its called independence. You really should think about how much supervision you need in our lives. It is a very important issue called freedom...

 

[Cane]

Better take a reality check. Larry may be hurt and even if he is not could claim he can no longer perform his show as a result of this. He I am sure he has years worth of contracts showing what he does as well as TV appearances. He can make a pretty compelling case and even if there was no real judgment will still cost Eric a small fortune to defend himself. I could easily see Larry winning a sizable judgment against him though and Like I say Larry could really be hurt, Develop a blood clot or who knows what, possible have a stroke from this. Remember the two old guys in Florida a couple of years ago One shoved the other at a movie theater and the guy died. He was charged with man slaughter and went broke trying to stay out of jail. The first case was a deadlock and the second time around he pleaded out to a year and several years of house arrest. Point is, you put your hands on someone and you are going to pay. Eric is in deep s&^t no matter how you look at it and Larry is not letting it drop, that is for sure.

macguy, depends on where you live... I got hit by a truck... I mean LITERALLY HIT BY A TRUCK. Three guys that were aching for a fight in my pool room were told to leave. They left, or so I thought. They caught me in the street after I'd thought they left and they actually ran me down with their truck. First time in reverse, hit me with the rear bumper and knocked me down. I picked my bloody a$$ up and ran for the nearest telephone pole. Unfortunately, I've got arthritic knees and back and was not as fast as the half ton Ford and they hit me AGAIN. This time, I rolled off the hood to the passenger side, inadvertantly removing their passenger side mirror with my back and side. They were considering a third shot, but people were running to my aid at that point and they decided to make a run for it. Police did not catch them that night, but took about a dozen witness statements and the three were arrested the next day.

So... are they broke from staying out of jail? Nope, they all spent about 4 hours in jail, were released on their own recog., were eventually sentenced to 400 hours each of community service. Yeah, Felonious assault, battery, assault with a dangerous weapon (the truck), and vehicular assault, and they got 400 hours of community service. Compared to being bi#Ch slapped, getting ran down by three idiots in a pickup truck is fairly major. I may be wrong and in PA things may come down differently, but you never know, and if you aren't involved in the case, then maybe speculating on what might happen with Eric may be a little out of range for the rest of us. Personally, I figured Larry would eventually run into someone that would jack his jaw, but what happens to Eric is nobody's business unless Eric decides to share it with us. I've heard nothing official about any charges being brought, so it MAY be over. We don't know and we really don't have any right or interest in speculating on what might happen UNTIL IT'S DONE and only then if a legal action of some sort ensues. Only then will it be a matter of public record and give those of us not involved, a right to know what exactly happened and what the consequences are/were.

Only thing I'll say on it. I know Eric only from the boards. Eric seems like nice enough of a man from what I've read. I know Larry only from the boards... He seems like he might be a few french fries short of a Happy Meal.

Later,
Bob

 

[macguy]

macguy, depends on where you live... I got hit by a truck... I mean LITERALLY HIT BY A TRUCK. Three guys that were aching for a fight in my pool room were told to leave. They left, or so I thought. They caught me in the street after I'd thought they left and they actually ran me down with their truck. First time in reverse, hit me with the rear bumper and knocked me down. I picked my bloody a$$ up and ran for the nearest telephone pole. Unfortunately, I've got arthritic knees and back and was not as fast as the half ton Ford and they hit me AGAIN. This time, I rolled off the hood to the passenger side, inadvertantly removing their passenger side mirror with my back and side. They were considering a third shot, but people were running to my aid at that point and they decided to make a run for it. Police did not catch them that night, but took about a dozen witness statements and the three were arrested the next day.

So... are they broke from staying out of jail? Nope, they all spent about 4 hours in jail, were released on their own recog., were eventually sentenced to 400 hours each of community service. Yeah, Felonious assault, battery, assault with a dangerous weapon (the truck), and vehicular assault, and they got 400 hours of community service. Compared to being bi#Ch slapped, getting ran down by three idiots in a pickup truck is fairly major. I may be wrong and in PA things may come down differently, but you never know, and if you aren't involved in the case, then maybe speculating on what might happen with Eric may be a little out of range for the rest of us. Personally, I figured Larry would eventually run into someone that would jack his jaw, but what happens to Eric is nobody's business unless Eric decides to share it with us. I've heard nothing official about any charges being brought, so it MAY be over. We don't know and we really don't have any right or interest in speculating on what might happen UNTIL IT'S DONE and only then if a legal action of some sort ensues. Only then will it be a matter of public record and give those of us not involved, a right to know what exactly happened and what the consequences are/were.

Only thing I'll say on it. I know Eric only from the boards. Eric seems like nice enough of a man from what I've read. I know Larry only from the boards... He seems like he might be a few french fries short of a Happy Meal.

Later,
Bob

Big difference between the criminal case and the civil case. You just didn't do anything about it, I can assure you from what Larry sounds like, he will.

 

[macguy]

You are such an extremist, macguy lol Sounds like he just punched the guy. I've thrown a few punches in my life and I can't remember if any of them cost me something substantial. I would remember 5 digits



OMG, Peer. Do you really want every breath you take to be regulated? We are all big boys, and girls. Dealing with people is an aquired social skill you develope in adolescence not a function of the government. My mum taught me how to survive with minimal supervision... Its called independence. You really should think about how much supervision you need in our lives. It is a very important issue called freedom...

Eric will be writing a check for from 3 to 5 thousand this week just to retain a lawyer if he gets a letter from Larry's lawyer and that will just be the start. Where the heck do you live, have you ever been involved in a court case?

 

[ccn7]

Better take a reality check. Larry may be hurt and even if he is not could claim he can no longer perform his show as a result of this. He I am sure he has years worth of contracts showing what he does as well as TV appearances. He can make a pretty compelling case and even if there was no real judgment will still cost Eric a small fortune to defend himself. I could easily see Larry winning a sizable judgment against him though and Like I say Larry could really be hurt, Develop a blood clot or who knows what, possible have a stroke from this. Remember the two old guys in Florida a couple of years ago One shoved the other at a movie theater and the guy died. He was charged with man slaughter and went broke trying to stay out of jail. The first case was a deadlock and the second time around he pleaded out to a year and several years of house arrest. Point is, you put your hands on someone and you are going to pay. Eric is in deep s&^t no matter how you look at it and Larry is not letting it drop, that is for sure.

i totally agree with you Macguy this is all about a reality check..In today's society alot of people are for sure sue happy for any reason, even to the point of lying.You just cant go out and punch people anymore, those days are long gone with all the domestic violence and everything going on.Lets just hope nothing comes out of this, or better yet its all misinformation and it never really happened.

Cane thats terrible what happened to you, but you make a very valid point also, alot depends on where you live and who you are.As far as people speculating i think its a good idea as it might make someone thing twice about what could happen if they were to lose control at some time and punch someone.In a forum such as this one everyone gets into everyones business, not saying its right but its part of what goes on.Please dont be offended as this was in no way my intent, just expressing my opinion as you did.

 

[jjinfla]

So, what are the circumstances?

What actually happened?

Did anyone actually get punched?

Was there a warning?

Was anyone hurt? Have to go to the hospital?

If this was premeditated by Eric and he sucker punched FL then I see no difference between him and the muggers that attacked Danny Medina.

And if he carried his hate from some words on the internet then he is one sick puppy.

Jake

 

[Cane]

Eric will be writing a check for from 3 to 5 thousand this week just to retain a lawyer if he gets a letter from Larry's lawyer and that will just be the start. Where the heck do you live, have you ever been involved in a court case?

Macguy, read the other VF threads... seems like this whole thing got blown out of proprotion. The guy that went to the hospital isn't even FL. For that matter, Timberly saw FL and said he was smiling and waving. An incident apparently occured between FL and Eric, but Eric was still at VF after this supposed incident, so whatever it was, IF IT EVER HAPPENED, was not enough to even get him thrown out of the venue... so like I said before... maybe we should wait until we get the word from the horses mouth before we start doing "Sylvia Browns" (our Okie expression for dumba$$ predictions) on how much money Eric is going to be out or how much trouble he's in.

I live in Oklahoma. I have owned and sold several business. I have been involved in more court cases than I can count. Two criminal (both with me as the victim, not as the criminal... one was the truck incident and the other when I was shot in a robbery... damn, that still hurts to think about! LOL ) and countless civil. So what's your point in asking that? Did you think that we just hang 'em from the nearest tree in Oklahoma? Nah, we have a judicial system here. Have you ever been the victor in a civil suit? If not, then let me tell you, getting a judgement and actually getting money are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS! Hell, if I could collect all that I've been given in judgements from debts owed (and one illegal real estate transaction) then I could retire AGAIN!!! I will tell you, though, the Victim Restitution Fund paid the hospital bills incurred from being ran over by the three clowns in the truck... at least THAT part of the jucidial system worked OK.

In any case, it seems your ranting about Eric's potential legal woes may have been a pointless waste of keyboard strokes, re: the other VF thread.

Bob (aka the Tiretread Kid) Hey, you gotta laugh about life, right???

PS: BTW, I did do something about the Truck incident. I sued the boys. I got a judgement for all medical expenses plus $10,000. None of these guys had a pot to pee in or a window to throw it out of, so did not get, and will never get, one red cent from these clowns. As far as the State is concerned, they've paid their debt to society, from a criminal standpoint, and all I can do is insure that the civil judgement stays on their credit record for 7 years (5 years remaining on that).

 

[TATE]

Big difference between the criminal case and the civil case. You just didn't do anything about it, I can assure you from what Larry sounds like, he will.

My assumption is that the lack of information forthcoming here is an indication that lawyers are indeed being contacted and have told all parties involved not to discuss the subject.

Should Larry pursue this, he may wish he never did. A close realtive of mine sued an ice skating rink for kicking her out and banning her even though she deserved it. It became an obsession. She wasted three years of her life, lost her life savings, her house, and her daughter's college fund. During the process, she also lost a couple of jobs. She became a zealot and referred to herself as a self-taught lawyer. She alienated those of us who begged her to drop the case. Her lawyers promised her a victory and a cash judgment. She refused to settle, got arrested for trespassing, and lost her final judgemnet, being scolded by the court of pursuing them. She hasn't been to a family function in 7 years and is hiding from her attorney's, to whom she still owes fees. She lives in one of these monthly hotels by herself. Her house would now be worth 5 times what she paid for it 20 years ago.

She's basically ruined the rest of her life.

Chris

 

[Scott Lee]

He I am sure he has years worth of contracts showing what he does as well as TV appearances.

Macguy...I'll take all the action you want on that bet. FL would be lucky if he has ANY contracts (perhaps one small one for the upcoming BCA show... and that's for Wonderdog, not FL). TV appearances? I think not. Larry has no tv bookings, and he's not in demand as a trick shot artist, or instructor either. Larry actually works very little (how do you think he can spend as many hours a day online as he does?). I get 50x more bookings than he does, and nobody ever even mentions his name (other than "do you know that crazy guy, Fast Larry?"). FL has been the butt of jokes for years (among other instructors and trick shot artists), and with his running off at the mouth, he finally got what he deserved, imo (which, if anything, was a punch in the mouth).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

 

[Peer]

CaptiveBred wrote:
> OMG, Peer. Do you really want every breath you take to be regulated?

No, certainly not. That's not what I'm saying -- rather the opposite. What I'm talking about is real abuse vs greed. I'm talking about the absurdity that the courts are constantly dealing with cases where people are suing for merely gotten bumped into, while life-long verbal abuse of someone's wife or girlfriend would be thrown out by the very same court.

If Fast Larry sues Eric, I would hope there'll be a countersue for all the hateful slander and libel Larry has spread over the years. Tit for tat.

-- peer