thank you to CJ Wiley for teaching, learning, growing and sharing!
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Well, I can see the end of this thread in the very near future.....Thanks old guys, you've done it again.
"inexperienced" meaning we haven't played for over 60 years
CJ..You make a few good points..But most of your rhetoric, is simply geared too much to your interpretation of the subleties (ie; finer points) of the game !.
Thanks, bud, my coaching has been with "inexperienced players," if you can honestly say that..... "inexperienced" meaning we haven't played for over 60 years'The Game is the Teacher'
"Playing flawless pool must be a result (of using sound principles), not an incentive
You could run them in rotation, you'd just have to willing to change a few things first.
The one thing you don't want to do as a player is rely on a "perfect contact" to the cue ball.....this puts a lot of pressure on any player, no matter what their skill level. There's a better way, and it's not that difficult to understand with clear cut directions and some practice.
I can set up a straight in combination that no player on earth would bet they could make.....and all they really have to do is hit the ball perfectly straight.....this is actually much more difficult than it sounds.
When possible it's best to favor a {tip target} side of the cue ball (slightly) so if you do miss {your cue ball target} it still holds a predictable line......then, and only then can you still play the game of pocket billiards flawlessly.....because you have a built in margin of error at your point of contact (of the cue ball).
"Playing flawless pool must be a result (of using sound principles), not an incentive" - 'The Game is my Teacher'
You could run them in rotation, you'd just have to willing to change a few things first.
The one thing you don't want to do as a player is rely on a "perfect contact" to the cue ball.....this puts a lot of pressure on any player, no matter what their skill level. There's a better way, and it's not that difficult to understand with clear cut directions and some practice.
I can set up a straight in combination that no player on earth would bet they could make.....and all they really have to do is hit the ball perfectly straight.....this is actually much more difficult than it sounds.
When possible it's best to favor a {tip target} side of the cue ball (slightly) so if you do miss {your cue ball target} it still holds a predictable line......then, and only then can you still play the game of pocket billiards flawlessly.....because you have a built in margin of error at your point of contact (of the cue ball).
"Playing flawless pool must be a result (of using sound principles), not an incentive" - 'The Game is my Teacher'
Many of the better players in the game today are broke. I suggest they take the time and effort to explain why they are successful. I'm all ears. If I like what I hear maybe I'll pay them $80 for 5 hours of instructional DVD's. Maybe other posters will too. Then they won't be broke anymore.CJ..You make a few good points..But most of your rhetoric, is simply geared too much to your interpretation of the subleties (ie; finer points) of the game !..Your main group of fan's are, (for the most part) fairly new to the game, and thats fine !..You have amassed a very good record in your career, and I cannot fault you for taking advantage of that.
However, those of us who know where you are coming from, 'real-eyes' you are just trying to convince newer, inexperienced players, that TOI is God's gift to pool !..I'm sorry, but ANY GOOD player, worth his salt, KNOWS that "TOI", and the "3 part pocket system", while they may be used occasionaly, are totally unnecessary to becoming a world class player !..For proof, all you need to do is realize how many world class player's, do NOT subscribe to your findings !...TOI is actually used very little, in "real game" situations, and is totally unnecessary, unless called for to get position !
It don't make you a bad guy,...It just makes you another EX-pro, trying to capitalize on his SECRET method of becoming a top notch pool player..Most of the better player's, do not care to spend the time and effort, trying to explain why they are successful !..If they did, very few would espouse to your 'TOI' theory...That includes your hero Earl, who rarely uses the same english twice, in one game ! :sorry:
PS..I wish you all the best with your ideas on how to bring pool to the entertainment forefront.......But puhleeeeze, you don't need 'TOI' to do that !
SJD
PS..I once played a pretty fair game of pool myself, and I may have used 'TOI' once an hour !..Most good players tend to avoid 'inside english' unless absolutely necessary...'Common sense is the teacher' !
"sometimes the hunter becomes the hunted!" and such is life
That's right, you don't need a fancy, expensive cue to use TOI, just a good tip will suffice.....and once you get the feel of TOI adjusting to new equipment is a breeze!
And if they start to get tired of losing to the "silly old man in the veterans hat" just tell them "sometimes the hunter becomes the hunted!" and such is life 'The Toi Game is the Teacher'
That's right, you don't need a fancy, expensive cue to use TOI, just a good tip will suffice.....and once you get the feel of TOI adjusting to new equipment is a breeze!
And if they start to get tired of losing to the "silly old man in the veterans hat" just tell them "sometimes the hunter becomes the hunted!" and such is life 'The Toi Game is the Teacher'
if what was "commonly taught" was used by champions they would be able to simply....
This is easier said than done, it takes thousands of hours of research, development and communication be able to explain how pool is played at the highest levels. Then you have to have patience because many of the techniques are different than what's commonly taught.
This makes perfect sense to most people, because if what was "commonly taught" was used by champions they would be able to simply endorse and help explain these techniques and systems.......of course this isn't happening because there's very little relationship between what's effective and what's easy to teach.
I have people come to me on a weekly basis that get tired of trying the "conventional methods," because sooner or later every player will "real eyes" that they're not improving..........then what?
Most will simply quit or taper playing off to a night or two at league......others will take up golf, bowling, poker, or sit back and criticize the game for whatever reason (out of pure frustration).
I got tired of seeing this happen and decided to do something about it.....and no matter how many "haters" I accumulate in the process I'll continue to share the most effective techniques and systems I know with anyone that truly wants to enjoy their game more. I'll also continue to answer as many questions as possible at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com
The game has changed my life and made it what it is today and I'm eternally grateful.....I feel more than willing to help the game and people that appreciate it. 'The Game is the Teacher'
This is easier said than done, it takes thousands of hours of research, development and communication be able to explain how pool is played at the highest levels. Then you have to have patience because many of the techniques are different than what's commonly taught.
This makes perfect sense to most people, because if what was "commonly taught" was used by champions they would be able to simply endorse and help explain these techniques and systems.......of course this isn't happening because there's very little relationship between what's effective and what's easy to teach.
I have people come to me on a weekly basis that get tired of trying the "conventional methods," because sooner or later every player will "real eyes" that they're not improving..........then what?
Most will simply quit or taper playing off to a night or two at league......others will take up golf, bowling, poker, or sit back and criticize the game for whatever reason (out of pure frustration).
I got tired of seeing this happen and decided to do something about it.....and no matter how many "haters" I accumulate in the process I'll continue to share the most effective techniques and systems I know with anyone that truly wants to enjoy their game more. I'll also continue to answer as many questions as possible at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com
The game has changed my life and made it what it is today and I'm eternally grateful.....I feel more than willing to help the game and people that appreciate it. 'The Game is the Teacher'
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GoldenFlash
Banned
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Your reading and visual comprehension skills need a tune up.
In the video, Wiley was not running 15 balls at random.
He was running them in numerical order after a cb in hand from the break....it is called "beating the ghost".
And you have done this how many times? hundreds??
Didn't you think to have these feats videoed?
Oh yes, I know, I will speak for myself about not getting things videoed for history...I didn't see any need to do one at the news conference when I was drafted by the Dodgers to take Reese's place at short. They were giving up on some unknown replacement guy named Maury Wills over at Montreal and Rickey wanted me instead. But, I just couldn't bear the thought of leaving all my old pool room buddies so I turned the Dodgers down. :boring2:
And who is SJD?
he's one of my biggest fans, even though he has trouble showing it (at times).
"SJD" used to live in Ft. Worth Texas (where I live) and was a "pretty good short stop" is how the players here describe him. He was probably in the top 5 in the DFW area behind players like Erman Bullard, Coy Lee, Fat Ralph, Bob Vanover, and Dick Lane.
He was a decent one-pocket player, however, he wouldn't gamble unless they let him climb on the table......I'm not sure what that was all about, it's just what people talk about....he seems bitter about his playing days, although I think he's really a passive, tolerant man when he's not "on the sauce"......I've been told he's one of my biggest fans, even though he has trouble showing it (at times).
Note to self:
Send SHD a signed TOI DVD asap
"SJD" used to live in Ft. Worth Texas (where I live) and was a "pretty good short stop" is how the players here describe him. He was probably in the top 5 in the DFW area behind players like Erman Bullard, Coy Lee, Fat Ralph, Bob Vanover, and Dick Lane.
He was a decent one-pocket player, however, he wouldn't gamble unless they let him climb on the table......I'm not sure what that was all about, it's just what people talk about....he seems bitter about his playing days, although I think he's really a passive, tolerant man when he's not "on the sauce"......I've been told he's one of my biggest fans, even though he has trouble showing it (at times).
Note to self:
Send SHD a signed TOI DVD asap
GoldenFlash
Banned
The only thing I am bitter about concerning my semi-serious action days was being ignorant about a genuine REPEATABLE method of aiming shots. Over and over and over.....without that damnable estimating. Seldom was anything revealed back in that stone age.
My stroke was a picture of smooth grace, straight as it could be, my stance was balanced, my muscles rippled, and my eyes were fantastic......yet, I could miss the same shots over and over. No matter how hard I worked. I always said I played just as bad for fun as I did for a c-note. I played (more like watched) Mosconi in an exhibition at a Brunswick bowling alley once and he even said...."I don't understand how you're missing those balls...you look great and then shoot like a dummy"
I think of all the money that Danny Jones took from me and then it's grrrrrrrrrr! If I had this procedure then, I could've made him back up and idle a little....at least slowed him down some.
TOI = the stone cold brazillians.
Regards,
Flash
My stroke was a picture of smooth grace, straight as it could be, my stance was balanced, my muscles rippled, and my eyes were fantastic......yet, I could miss the same shots over and over. No matter how hard I worked. I always said I played just as bad for fun as I did for a c-note. I played (more like watched) Mosconi in an exhibition at a Brunswick bowling alley once and he even said...."I don't understand how you're missing those balls...you look great and then shoot like a dummy"
I think of all the money that Danny Jones took from me and then it's grrrrrrrrrr! If I had this procedure then, I could've made him back up and idle a little....at least slowed him down some.
TOI = the stone cold brazillians.
Regards,
Flash
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Old Nine Baller
Banned
Your hero says he could learn to play one pocket in three weeks. Maybe people could then come from Europe to take lessons from him instead of SJD.
You don't have a clue, not that there's anything wrong with that.
P.S. How many times do you think your hero DIDN'T run all 15 balls in rotation before he finally did it once and posted it to YouTube?
ONB
Many of us hear ya loud and clear. It's just... well....maybe aiming has nothing to do with it. There are a whole lotta variables that lead to success or lack thereof in the task of shot - making. T.O.I. sure helps, though.
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I can do it for awhile with the nece$$ary incentive. 'The Money Game is the Teacher'
I didn't say I could "learn" how to play one pocket in three weeks....don't be ridiculous, I beat Amarillo Slim out of over $30,000 giving him the same game Efren gave him in Baton Rouge Louisiana......I prefer not to play it, I never said I couldn't play it....there's a difference.
I can play the "ghost" with 15 balls, if allowed to take one ball off the table after the break (this means running all the balls, not just until the score of "61").....the last time I did this the score was 7/4, 7/5 in my favor.....no one can keep this speed up for long, it will wear you down over time....although I can do it for awhile with the nece$$ary incentive. 'The Money Game is the Teacher'
I didn't say I could "learn" how to play one pocket in three weeks....don't be ridiculous, I beat Amarillo Slim out of over $30,000 giving him the same game Efren gave him in Baton Rouge Louisiana......I prefer not to play it, I never said I couldn't play it....there's a difference.
I can play the "ghost" with 15 balls, if allowed to take one ball off the table after the break (this means running all the balls, not just until the score of "61").....the last time I did this the score was 7/4, 7/5 in my favor.....no one can keep this speed up for long, it will wear you down over time....although I can do it for awhile with the nece$$ary incentive. 'The Money Game is the Teacher'
"SJD" used to live in Ft. Worth Texas (where I live) and was a "pretty good short stop" is how the players here describe him. He was probably in the top 5 in the DFW area behind players like Erman Bullard, Coy Lee, Fat Ralph, Bob Vanover, and Dick Lane.<--Hard to tell which 'players' you are getting your info from..When I was in Texas, I was 'behind' no one, including Puckett or Jersey Red..Most of the names you mention, were not even around at that time..Your 'time reference' needs as much work as your flawed teaching methods !
He was a decent one-pocket player, however, he wouldn't gamble unless they let him climb on the table......I'm not sure what that was all about, it's just what people talk about <--More bad info ?..I'm average hgt., and I could care less about getting on the table ! ....he seems bitter about his playing days, although I think he's really a passive, tolerant man when he's not "on the sauce"......I've been told he's one of my biggest fans, even though he has trouble showing it (at times).<--Sorry, In the 'hero department' you are right behind Kanye West, and JayZ..(did I tell you I hate rapper's :sorry
Note to self:
Send SJD a signed TOI DVD asap <--Please do, my dog loves to play with frisbee's..:thumbup:
Glad to hear you beat Amarillo Slim, the same way he played Efren..All That tells me, is Efren could have given him about 6 or 8 more balls, and still won !
CJ,
First time I've disagreed with something you have said. Veterans, like myself, wear a veteran's hat because they are damn proud of their service and their country. Yes, I am old, 72, but don't consider myself as "silly". If you would have left out the "silly" part, I wouldn't have had a problem. Just saying.
US Navy Vet and damn proud of it.
GoldenFlash
Banned
Now we see that it isn't how many times a person SUCCEEDED at an endeavor that matters but how many times he FAILED is what counts thereby overriding the accomplishments.
Following that convoluted line of logic(?).....Ruth, Cobb, Williams, Aaron and all the rest in Cooperstown were failures because they struck out more times than they got a hit.
It's a shame that your life has been such a failure that in your end days you've become such a bitter, unhappy, old man.
Your posts literally seethe with anger and resentment concerning new ideas
What will be good for the game is when eventually all the old grouches pass on to their individual hereafters. Maybe through sheer attrition, the game will finally reach a level of beauty it so richly deserves.
I still do not know who you are and am not interested in your identity. This final paragraph, by the way, has NOTHING to do with you personally...(before you start to howl)
I've read enough (and seen enough) from some of the old time lock artists to turn my stomach....guys bragging about waving guns, cheating at cards, jarring opponents, air barrels, slyly putting red balls back up on the table in snooker when the other guy is marking up his score, threatening to beat up people, liquor and drugs and trashy whores, etc etc....no wonder most people do not want their kids to pursue this madness or be around the participants.
The "new breed" isn't listening to you, bud, your kind of days are over.
Flash
Old Nine Baller is right, you really have no clue if you think that stuff isn't still going on today by all ages of players and by todays so-called "champions".
GoldenFlash
Banned
Good post. (all this stuff with that guy started when I gave a testimony about how the TOI thing has been successful for me and others. Then he started with the jawboning and he got back what he dished out. Pool players, generally speaking, cannot handle that...their idea of discussion is "you shut up while I have my way")
If the situation is as you say, then the only thing for someone with a sound mind to do is get out of this idiotic racket right now and never look back.
Sounds like the inside of the game hasn't changed much at all.
The last thing I'd want is for anyone I cared about to end up like these old road agents with nothing left but stories of how many people they trapped and robbed.
What a horrible way to die.
Thanks for your comment.
Old Nine Baller
Banned
So, I ask again since you're so easily impressed; How many times do you think your hero DIDN'T run all 15 balls in rotation before he finally did it once and posted it to YouTube?
You are very impressed with one posted video that may have taken 15-20 attempts before succeeding. We know the norm in MLB is .300 for a good hitter. What's the norm for your hero?
ONB