The Basics

Dave Nelson

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I am getting interested in 3 cushion. It is way too late in life for me to become a serious player but I have now tried it a couple of times and find it very enjoyable. I am looking for a book that would help me with the basics. Diagrams of the break and other basic shots would be very helpful. Does anyone here have any suggestions for me.

Dave Nelson
 
Dave Nelson said:
I am getting interested in 3 cushion. It is way too late in life for me to become a serious player but I have now tried it a couple of times and find it very enjoyable. I am looking for a book that would help me with the basics. Diagrams of the break and other basic shots would be very helpful. Does anyone here have any suggestions for me.

Dave Nelson

Dave: There is very good 3 cushion material in Byrnes books. I'll pm you.

Dennis
 
When I started, I got Robert Byrne's Standard Book of Pool & Billiards http://www.amazon.com/Byrnes-Standard-Book-Pool-Billiards/dp/0156005549 (You can get a used copy for around $7). That was very helpful in getting started to understand the basics of the game. I also got Sid Banner's 3 Cushion Billiard Systems to get a little more insight. There are some good videos on the internet of matches which is good to see what shots are played. Anyways, good luck to you.
 
Dennis and Jstarkweather

Thanks

I have the Byrnes books and they are very good and interesting to read. They just don't contain the very basic diagrams that I would like. I have had two widely separated lessons from George Pawelski. I think what I will do is I will try to get him to diagram the shots we cover in my next lesson. I'll just bring a notebook along and make rough sketches as we go.

Dave Nelson
 
JStarkweather said:
When I started, I got Robert Byrne's Standard Book of Pool & Billiards http://www.amazon.com/Byrnes-Standard-Book-Pool-Billiards/dp/0156005549 (You can get a used copy for around $7). That was very helpful in getting started to understand the basics of the game. I also got Sid Banner's 3 Cushion Billiard Systems to get a little more insight. There are some good videos on the internet of matches which is good to see what shots are played. Anyways, good luck to you.

I suggest trying to find the old volume though. the "new standard" book has omitted some of the 3-cushion material.
 
Dave Nelson said:
I am getting interested in 3 cushion. It is way too late in life for me to become a serious player but I have now tried it a couple of times and find it very enjoyable. I am looking for a book that would help me with the basics. Diagrams of the break and other basic shots would be very helpful. Does anyone here have any suggestions for me.

Dave Nelson


You might want to ping Bob Jewett. He has a library of billiards books, and could recommended a long list of books.

One set of books that first pop in my head is the Atlas Books.
http://www.billiardsatlas.com/atlas.html
 
Bob Jewett said:
If I were looking for him, I'd put "Bob Jewett" into google.

LOL, very good one!


Dave Nelson said:
I am getting interested in 3 cushion. It is way too late in life for me to become a serious player but I have now tried it a couple of times and find it very enjoyable. I am looking for a book that would help me with the basics. Diagrams of the break and other basic shots would be very helpful. Does anyone here have any suggestions for me.

Dave Nelson
Alright, I'll tell you shoot-from-the-hip: It is "OK" to start playing three-cushion right from the get-go and just learn your way from there. But another option that can also give you a better advance is to work through the path of carom games.

Start off by getting a good feel of Straight Rail (also called Freegame, sensillas in Spanish (meaning simple), libre in the European romantic language). If that game is too easy and you're making some decent amount of caroms, then there are two paths that lead to three-cushion. One path is the balkline section: which includes the most easy: 14 inches balkline; then, tournament sanctioned 18 inches balkline (47cm); and either the plus balkline or the 72 cm balkline (which is a huge line, longways and two lines 72 cm apart (pretty much).

Take that route if you're willing to write the cloth on white pencil or the other route is just to play one-cushion billiards.

Then, you should get a decent concept on playing Three-Cushion by just figuring out the diamond system and other systems (or play by feel).

But all and all, it is completely personal preference and you just do what you think is best. I can give a horse some water but I cannot make it drink.
 
I'm curious to see what further answers you get. I hadn't thought there really was anything more simple than the two Byrne books.
Then again, I've never seen a three cushion shot I thought was easy.
 
Dave Nelson said:
... I have the Byrne's books and they are very good and interesting to read. They just don't contain the very basic diagrams that I would like. ...
In one of Byrne's books, there is a section called "10 (20?) Easy Shots" or some such. Is that the sort of diagram you are after, or are you looking for something else?

I think that it doesn't get any simpler than:

Short angle natural
Long natural off the outside of the first ball to a big ball
Long natural off the inside of the first ball to a big ball
Ticky
Cross table shot (accordion, Z, swing shot)
Simple extensions of the above to more cushions

To learn 3-cushion, you have to learn the limits of each of those shots -- when are they easy, when are they difficult, when are they impossible; what is the natural path for the exact way the balls are sitting, how can you modify that path with hit, speed and spin; is the shot likely to kiss, how can you reduce the chance of a kiss, what other shot choice doesn't kiss.

As was suggested above, it may be easier to start with straight rail. Daly's Billiard Book is the best source in English to see the basics of that game. There is also some good on-line material about the "small" games, but I don't have links handy.
 
If you are interested in the small games and have a fast internet connection I would suggest going to the kozoom web site and purchasing two Divx downoadable videos. The first is a final for a match in the game of libre (free game) by cadets (youngsters), high quality. The second is a video on Jean Marty a professional carom billiard player from France which has a lot of stuff on cadre 47.2 , and cadre 71.2. Purchasing the download is similiar to purchasing a 3 cushion match from carom.tv. The file is not pay per view so you can make personal back up copies. I believe the video on libre is 5 euros and the video on Jean Marty is ten Euros. All the comentary is in French.

On the youtube website thier are videos of a player named Xavier Gretillat practicing one cushion, cadre, and on how to get to the rail nurse position in the Free game. Simply search Xavier Gretillat at the youtube search bar.

There is also a dvd on ball to ball caroms by Darrell Martinue of elk grove California (not sure If I mispelled). He is the Author of the DPM system.
 
One thing that helped me a great deal as far as books, is I covered up type of english & ball hit with post-it notes so, when I would review positions, I had to recall by memory what to do in those situations. Worked real well for me.
 
SlickRick_PCS said:
LOL, very good one!



Alright, I'll tell you shoot-from-the-hip: It is "OK" to start playing three-cushion right from the get-go and just learn your way from there. But another option that can also give you a better advance is to work through the path of carom games.

Start off by getting a good feel of Straight Rail (also called Freegame, sensillas in Spanish (meaning simple), libre in the European romantic language). If that game is too easy and you're making some decent amount of caroms, then there are two paths that lead to three-cushion. One path is the balkline section: which includes the most easy: 14 inches balkline; then, tournament sanctioned 18 inches balkline (47cm); and either the plus balkline or the 72 cm balkline (which is a huge line, longways and two lines 72 cm apart (pretty much).

Take that route if you're willing to write the cloth on white pencil or the other route is just to play one-cushion billiards.

Then, you should get a decent concept on playing Three-Cushion by just figuring out the diamond system and other systems (or play by feel).

But all and all, it is completely personal preference and you just do what you think is best. I can give a horse some water but I cannot make it drink.
I agree with you mostly. Yes the very best way I believe is to start with the small games. There's very few exceptions of World Class players starting with 3C. What I don't agree with is that the small games are easy. Ya making one straight rail carom with the OB's close is easy but continuing the run to 100 is extremely hard. It's simply a matter of perspective. I believe all cue games are very hard to "MASTER". The cool thing about cue games is the more you learn the less you realize you know.

But getting back to the question. I've had a lot of luck when preparing for tournament play by practicing 1 rail shots. My own made up rule for this is All Shots MUST Be 1 Rail. My thought is this. In 3C play if you can make your 2nd rail carom you will hit the 3rd correctly. Some may argue with this technique but I'm nearly always aiming/feeling for the second rail in 3C. If you practice 1 rail as I described you're essentially doing the same thing only in this case your second rail is now the second ball.

Bob J also has a great point. Learn the (your) limits. I will add here that your limits will increase as you learn to spin the ball. Playing pool comparitively speaking doesn't require extreme english (unless in dire trouble) and therefore average pool players don't explore and practice the extreme limits spinning the CB.

The other benefit I get from the 1C drill is it softens my stroke and gives me more accuracy and that feel of the CB we all need.
 
3kushn said:
I agree with you mostly. Yes the very best way I believe is to start with the small games. There's very few exceptions of World Class players starting with 3C. What I don't agree with is that the small games are easy. Ya making one straight rail carom with the OB's close is easy but continuing the run to 100 is extremely hard. It's simply a matter of perspective. I believe all cue games are very hard to "MASTER". The cool thing about cue games is the more you learn the less you realize you know.

But getting back to the question. I've had a lot of luck when preparing for tournament play by practicing 1 rail shots. My own made up rule for this is All Shots MUST Be 1 Rail. My thought is this. In 3C play if you can make your 2nd rail carom you will hit the 3rd correctly. Some may argue with this technique but I'm nearly always aiming/feeling for the second rail in 3C. If you practice 1 rail as I described you're essentially doing the same thing only in this case your second rail is now the second ball.

Bob J also has a great point. Learn the (your) limits. I will add here that your limits will increase as you learn to spin the ball. Playing pool comparitively speaking doesn't require extreme english (unless in dire trouble) and therefore average pool players don't explore and practice the extreme limits spinning the CB.

The other benefit I get from the 1C drill is it softens my stroke and gives me more accuracy and that feel of the CB we all need.

There's one thing here - if you're a somewhat older pool player and just interested in taking up 3 cushion because you find it interesting and you'd like to play around with it, and you want a couple basic lessons, all this advice on playing the small games is nonsense. It will take you quite a long time to be even basically good at the small games. If you want to play recreational 3C for the hell of it, just get the Byrne book and play through the easy shots part of the book, then the rest of it, it will take you awhile. The Byrne book will tell you pretty much everything you need to know about the game in simple terms.
If you master that, then you can start talking systems and small games and so forth. Please don't scare off any pool player that wants to dip their cue in the game by telling them they need to back up and play the small games for a year, etc. More harm than good.
That aside, 3kushn, yeah, the 2nd rail is so important. Been learning from the Gretillat book, and the 2nd rail is so important in the small games becaue you can't rely on a 3 rail running line. You need to be able to call the cueball off two rails to within an inch, with exactly the right speed, and hitting the right ball first. There's no 3C bank shot nonsense about hitting either ball, you need to hit the ball you're aiming for exactly. It's humbling
 
eze123 said:
There's one thing here - if you're a somewhat older pool player and just interested in taking up 3 cushion because you find it interesting and you'd like to play around with it, and you want a couple basic lessons, all this advice on playing the small games is nonsense. It will take you quite a long time to be even basically good at the small games. If you want to play recreational 3C for the hell of it, just get the Byrne book and play through the easy shots part of the book, then the rest of it, it will take you awhile. The Byrne book will tell you pretty much everything you need to know about the game in simple terms.
If you master that, then you can start talking systems and small games and so forth. Please don't scare off any pool player that wants to dip their cue in the game by telling them they need to back up and play the small games for a year, etc. More harm than good.
That aside, 3kushn, yeah, the 2nd rail is so important. Been learning from the Gretillat book, and the 2nd rail is so important in the small games becaue you can't rely on a 3 rail running line. You need to be able to call the cueball off two rails to within an inch, with exactly the right speed, and hitting the right ball first. There's no 3C bank shot nonsense about hitting either ball, you need to hit the ball you're aiming for exactly. It's humbling
Point taken.

I don't believe I suggested nobody deserves to play 3C until they can make 100 caroms. Byrnes book is great, particularly when it come to showing the different shot patterns. But if you can't make a carom you're sunk in all the games. So the suggestion is Caroms should simply be part of the practice/learning routine.

I wish they didn't use the phrase "Small Game" it implies easy and simple. They are not. Who on this forum has even a 10 average in Caroms? I'm sure some but not many.
 
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