Big-Tattoo said:
Ralf,
Is this a Typo? Did you mean to say $650, instead of $6,500??? I'm wondering if all of this arguement is because we think you paid 8 THOUSAND for a replica of an original cue that cost $8 THOUSAND dollars.
Is this right???
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Ralf,
Is this a Typo? Did you mean to say $650, instead of $6,500??? I'm wondering if all of this arguement is because we think you paid 8 THOUSAND for a replica of an original cue that cost $8 THOUSAND dollars.
Is this right???
Yeah, I don't get it either. I do know that Arthur cues were displayed at Bill Stroud's Cue Show, and they are commanding a higher-then-expected price.
But I hafta agree - why make a copy of well, anything, then ask the same price for the knock-off as the real thing??
Arthur MIGHT build a cue that will someday be worth $6500.00, but it's not going to be a copy of someone elses design.
I'm pretty sure I can have Ernie build this cue for me for less money....
-von
But I hafta agree - why make a copy of well, anything, then ask the same price for the knock-off as the real thing??
Arthur MIGHT build a cue that will someday be worth $6500.00, but it's not going to be a copy of someone elses design.
I'm pretty sure I can have Ernie build this cue for me for less money....
-von
At the risk of being over-critical, a cue anywhere near this price point should be absolutely PERFECT.
But look at the Ring at the joint - the circles and diamonds aren't sharp or even uniform. Even a $2000.00 cue would demand better ring work.
Yes, it COULD be the picture, however, I put it under the microscope (2000% with Adobe & peeled off layers) and I'm almost 100% certain that it's not a light or shadow issue.
JMO ICBW
-von
But look at the Ring at the joint - the circles and diamonds aren't sharp or even uniform. Even a $2000.00 cue would demand better ring work.
Yes, it COULD be the picture, however, I put it under the microscope (2000% with Adobe & peeled off layers) and I'm almost 100% certain that it's not a light or shadow issue.
JMO ICBW
-von
Again, that's why I was wondering if the original price was a typo.
Now I meant no disrespect if my post came across that way, but I guess when I hear the word "Replica", I'm thinking it cost a fraction of what the original did.
If that $8K price was correct, this is basically a dollar for dollar replica.
Now I meant no disrespect if my post came across that way, but I guess when I hear the word "Replica", I'm thinking it cost a fraction of what the original did.
If that $8K price was correct, this is basically a dollar for dollar replica.
VonRhett said:
I'M GLAD IT'S NOT JUST ME, I THOUGH THIS DESIGN WAS LESS THAN 8K FROM ERNIE? BUT I DON'T BUY HIS CUES, SO I WASN'T SURE.
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
nah, its around $8000... you can get the same design for around a grand cheaper but it won't have the silver veneers...
Ok,I wont hold back Joe. Before one of our forum member here hooked up with this aurthuor cuemaker nobody heard of him in the usa. Now that one of our dealers here on az has a inside track with him he's the best cuemaker out there and there thousands of dollars.Gimmie a break,this is all bull$hit. There pretty,but so are Phillippi cues and alot of others out there.
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Charley
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I'm just hoping that we get an answer to Cosmo's question about what makes the construction so good..................
Just based on pictures as I've not seen one in person, everything on the outside of these cues looks stellar to me. Marcus is obviously doing some wonderful work.
But....I'm right there with most of you all, would rather pay Paul or Jim for 2 or 3 of their ivory handled masterpieces (or other tried and true cuemaker names) when you consider it's $40k for the one pharoah cue. The prices do seem way out of line but I would suspect that in reality there's lots of room to negotiate. When you get into that realm, most buyers should also consider the potential investment.....of course some buyers probably just have MONEY TO BURN.
Sean (wishing I had MONEY TO BURN)
Just based on pictures as I've not seen one in person, everything on the outside of these cues looks stellar to me. Marcus is obviously doing some wonderful work.
But....I'm right there with most of you all, would rather pay Paul or Jim for 2 or 3 of their ivory handled masterpieces (or other tried and true cuemaker names) when you consider it's $40k for the one pharoah cue. The prices do seem way out of line but I would suspect that in reality there's lots of room to negotiate. When you get into that realm, most buyers should also consider the potential investment.....of course some buyers probably just have MONEY TO BURN.
Sean (wishing I had MONEY TO BURN)
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
Jimbo should be about back from his ban about now, huh ??
Big-Tattoo said:
Ralf, no arguement there. And look what happened to Mercedes, after their association with Detroit began, they all went to S H I T....
Dakota Cues said:
thats part of it, the other part is why if you are such a good cuemaker would you just copy anothers work?
I mean I get copies of balabushka and szamboti. They are both dead and buried and its next to impossible to get one of their cues. But why would you copy a living cuemakers work unless you have zero creative ability. Part of being a cuemaker is having some creative ability imho.
And I don't like copies of balabushka's or szamboti's, though tribute cues I think are fine as long as they are not just a blantant copy.
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I would also like to add this. So far I have seen a few of Arthur cues and 2 were over 30k and several others over 10k upwards of 20k.. What does that tell me.. They are POPPIN out a lot of cues out that would take a normal cuemaker hours and hours of work . I have never seen an abundance of fancy cues come out of a shop like I have from theirs....It just makes me wonder... Im sure it tooks hours of planning the cues and designing the inlay patterns.Let alone the computer work for the CNC to execute the operations. Some R & D with the materials they are using .. Broken inlays...cutters...Aging of the wood and rest between cuts. Oh and filling out their regular orders and plain cue orders for locals.I can keep going but I wont.......Like I said it makes me wonder...Production or custom??? Cosmo
I would also like to add this. So far I have seen a few of Arthur cues and 2 were over 30k and several others over 10k upwards of 20k.. What does that tell me.. They are POPPIN out a lot of cues out that would take a normal cuemaker hours and hours of work . I have never seen an abundance of fancy cues come out of a shop like I have from theirs....It just makes me wonder... Im sure it tooks hours of planning the cues and designing the inlay patterns.Let alone the computer work for the CNC to execute the operations. Some R & D with the materials they are using .. Broken inlays...cutters...Aging of the wood and rest between cuts. Oh and filling out their regular orders and plain cue orders for locals.I can keep going but I wont.......Like I said it makes me wonder...Production or custom??? Cosmo
cuedoctor said:Agreed,and to aproach even any of those prices a cuemaker would have to be a LEGEND.
Good point...high prices early on in a cuemaker's history generally don't result in them becoming legends. The consensus has always been you have to to PAY YOUR DUES.
Hi All,
I leave in Germany and all is hi Priced and now it is morning 6 am.
For the Construction you have to ask Marcus (Arthur ) himself.
Sorry for I Take the WORD COPY-I mean it is a Tribiude to Honor Ernies Work.I know the Gina cost same but NOT with this long Silver lines,you can buy a Porsche normal or Turbo,but is not same;-).
If I buy a Cue in US ,we have to pay 20% German Tax from the Totally Price-so 8000 US+20%=9600 US:-(.
I f you buy a Mottey or Whitw(I like so much) with same Materials it cost the same Price(Marcus-Fast a Loose).
Sean look at your Page and I can see all Ginas and Herceks more than the origal Price,that the Market.
Now I must go work.
Regards and forget the Word COPY-tribiude is what I mean.
Ralf
I leave in Germany and all is hi Priced and now it is morning 6 am.
For the Construction you have to ask Marcus (Arthur ) himself.
Sorry for I Take the WORD COPY-I mean it is a Tribiude to Honor Ernies Work.I know the Gina cost same but NOT with this long Silver lines,you can buy a Porsche normal or Turbo,but is not same;-).
If I buy a Cue in US ,we have to pay 20% German Tax from the Totally Price-so 8000 US+20%=9600 US:-(.
I f you buy a Mottey or Whitw(I like so much) with same Materials it cost the same Price(Marcus-Fast a Loose).
Sean look at your Page and I can see all Ginas and Herceks more than the origal Price,that the Market.
Now I must go work.
Regards and forget the Word COPY-tribiude is what I mean.
Ralf
Big-Tattoo said:
Big TATTOO,question, is that u in your avatar.I guess thats why u choose your ID here on az.Thats alot of work there,those tattoo's costed more than that aurthor cue I bet and the workmanship looks better!
Good Luck with the cue,who knows,10 years from know it could be worth a fortune.
the buyers are at fault for not being informed. if you're going to put out $8000 you better know what you're getting yourself into. the cuemaker is enjoying the fact that he is one of only a few cuemakers in his part of the globe, supposedly one of the better cuemakers. apparently there is a demand otherwise he would'nt b able to charge anywhere close to that price.
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i own a few ginas, and the truth is there is no such thing as a gina with silver veneers under 10 grand. Add in the ivory points, and this cue is minimum 13 or 14 grand direct from ernie.
Also, arthur cues have been relatively unknown in the US, until now. At the recent world straight pool championships last may, i was amazed to see how many top europeans were playing with his cues. I recall, but can be mistaken ,that Engert and jasmin both played with arthur cues and like 5 or 6 more players.
Thorsten said he was pretty famous over there, and VERY well respected. He had hit with his cues before, but preffered the other german cuemaker, VOLLMER. In fact, he had owned 2, one he won the world pool championship with and the other was his first custom cue. I was given that one as a gift. Vollmer trained under tony at blackboar.
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Also, arthur cues have been relatively unknown in the US, until now. At the recent world straight pool championships last may, i was amazed to see how many top europeans were playing with his cues. I recall, but can be mistaken ,that Engert and jasmin both played with arthur cues and like 5 or 6 more players.
Thorsten said he was pretty famous over there, and VERY well respected. He had hit with his cues before, but preffered the other german cuemaker, VOLLMER. In fact, he had owned 2, one he won the world pool championship with and the other was his first custom cue. I was given that one as a gift. Vollmer trained under tony at blackboar.
rg