the best Gina Copy you ever seen

cuedoctor said:
I think..........I'd better not say, but who needs a copy of a gina made from a cuemaker in germany to begin with!! He can sell all he wants to the germans but we have a lot of BETTER cuemakers right here in america that are making much better cues for the money.No,I havent played with this cuemakers cue,dont care,Its the archer not the arrow! :D
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mottey ripped off a gina better than this guy,,,,,,and probably didn't charge as much.
 
cashin said:
Cosmo,
I agree completely.. The stiffer the hit.. the harder it is to control spin. Ask any pro..

David
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stiffer hit = more predictable cb. ask any 3c player (who are more demanding about their cb than pool players)
 
it bothers me when cuemakers who do excellent work, also do mindless ripoffs of others. it shows they are all hands and machinery, and no brains. hellz bellz, if i were doing a ripoff, i'd al least have the decency to pay homage by charging much less. charging the same is an afront,,,,saying "i can do as good, and i AM as good. so let me just take the shortcut and piggyback on this guy's decades of experience and ingenuity.


the copy falls short anyway. the alternating diamonds/bullseye pattern is clumsy and simple minded.
 
Tattoos

cuedoctor said:
Big TATTOO,question, is that u in your avatar.I guess thats why u choose your ID here on az.Thats alot of work there,those tattoo's costed more than that aurthor cue I bet and the workmanship looks better!:D
Good Luck with the cue,who knows,10 years from know it could be worth a fortune.
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Ya Man,the Tatt,s cost about the same Price from the Pharao Cue on Bills Web Site.:D
and was a lot of work and pain:eek:
X-mas come the next Arthur Cue for 10 Grand and this looks awesome,
more than 500 Inlays.
 
NYC cue dude said:
i own a few ginas, and the truth is there is no such thing as a gina with silver veneers under 10 grand. Add in the ivory points, and this cue is minimum 13 or 14 grand direct from ernie.

rg
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sorry buddy but your figures aren't correct...
 
Is it possible the the ERNIE "tribute" cue was a customer order and not a "spec" cue?

The other examples I've seen were original designs and , IMHO, intriguing!!

As more ARTHER cues are sold (esp. on the secondary market) we'll get a better gauge of value. At this time who really knows if the prices are too high,too low or just right?

TIME will TELL
 
> Here is my take on Mr. Arthur. Having only seen pics,and never one in person,the inlay work is nothing short of STELLAR,I don't see how it gets any better. For the most part,his cues are totally unique,with the possible exception of the one we're speaking about here. I wouldn't really call it a copy either,not in the outright sense. The overall visual effect may be similar to one of Ernie's creations,but any cue-nut will know pretty quick that isn't a Gina,due to the details and subtle things. To call this a blatant copy would be incorrect to me. I can see where he would be "proud" of it to the effect of 8k too. As far as a being close enough to fool the knowledgable and semi-knowledgable,a very well known player,Junior Harris,was in Memphis for a tournament. He was playing with what I swore was a Gina,recognizing it from some pics Ernie sent me once on request. I asked him to hit some balls with it,and damn it was sweet. I handed it back to him and said this was the first Gina I had hit balls with and loved it. He said that it wasn't a Gina,it was a Phillippi,and that he would sell it for 1500. That's one of the very few times I can honestly say I regret NOT buying a particular cue,because that one was awesome. It was strikingly similar to this one,with a touch of pink ivory. I'd really like to hit some balls with one of these "German Precision" instruments,as well as Vollmer. The work these 2 guys do speaks volumes for the kind of teacher Tony Scianella must be. I can't fault you for buying this cue Tatt,I'd sure as hell have it if the funds allowed.

Brandon,your Gina is the absolute dead nuts! Is that your daily player? If it is,that's cool as hell. Tommy D.
 
Ginacue copies

Even in a photo, they don't quite look like a real Ginacue. Something lacking in detail and finish. As a copy, they are only fair. Seems like cuemakers are always copying Ernie's designs, but no one can make a cue quite like his.

Based on what I see in the photos, these cues appear to be worth more like one or two thousand U.S. No more. I sure wouldn't pay anymore for copies like this, I don't care how good they hit.
 
cornerstone said:
they are some of the best constructed and have a incredibly stiff hit!
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LOL spoken like a true salesman, I thought you learned your lesson Bill??

Jim
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
where is jimbo when you need him. this topic is his specialty?
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I'm banned or I would comment, and if I were not banned I'd prolly say something to the effect that I think copying cue designs is wrong, it's downright illegal and some day someone will prove this in a court of law.
I may also say that stealing a design shows a lack of skill and creativity and is mostly used by new cuemakers who are real artists
Then I think I'd go on to say that I feel it's a bad copy at best.

Jim <---Banned
 
ChrisOnline said:
i thought it was only a 1 week ban.. looks like your back now!

glad to see your back..

chris
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I was in Vegas for a while and then went away again when I got back, a few e-mails claimed I was banned, who knows?
All I do know is that if I was banned it was because of one man's need to feel important, it's very sad to see someone with such low inteligence in charge of deciding what should and shouldn't be posted in a public forum, we either have rules or we don't but letting one person with a small ego decide for the masses is just silly.

Jim
 
Jimbo, Keep it up.

It will take only one more decision to end all this.

Re-read the rules and please ask if there are any questions.

Sincerely,
Your small ego Moderator.
 
JimBo said:
I'm banned or I would comment, and if I were not banned I'd prolly say something to the effect that I think copying cue designs is wrong, it's downright illegal and some day someone will prove this in a court of law.
I may also say that stealing a design shows a lack of skill and creativity and is mostly used by new cuemakers who are real artists
Then I think I'd go on to say that I feel it's a bad copy at best.

Jim <---Banned
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Lol welcome back to the fray...

-Roger
 
branpureza said:
sorry buddy but your figures aren't correct...
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Just as one example,

I own more than one gina, and there is one in particular i will refer to.

It is has an ebony forearm, snakewood points, snakewood oval type inlay in the but with one single red veneer.

Bill grassley had the same cue with silver veneers listed for 12k (i believe the pic is still on his sight. My cue is in the 4k range. Big difference with the silver veneers.

I spoke to ernie about a year ago, asking for a cue with 14k gold veneers. He told me it wasnt possible because it was to soft, and he had tried for 10 years, and gave up trying to use gold like that 10 years ago. That is when he told me that the alternative was silver and they start at 10k.

I'm not looking to argue, but the man told me that out of his mouth. If you don't believe me, call him yourself and ask.

I have no reason to think he would misinform me. I think grassley's cue confirms my account.

rg
 
Mr. Wilson said:
Jimbo, Keep it up.

It will take only one more decision to end all this.

Re-read the rules and please ask if there are any questions.

Sincerely,
Your small ego Moderator.
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I'm sorry Dave but you can't ban Jimbo. He is part of the Golden Posse! If you don't believe me just ask Shorty. ;)

-Roger (untouchable golden member)
 
Ginas with silver veneer

NYC cue dude said:
Just as one example,

I own more than one gina, and there is one in particular i will refer to.

It is has an ebony forearm, snakewood points, snakewood oval type inlay in the but with one single red veneer.

Bill grassley had the same cue with silver veneers listed for 12k (i believe the pic is still on his sight. My cue is in the 4k range. Big difference with the silver veneers.

I spoke to ernie about a year ago, asking for a cue with 14k gold veneers. He told me it wasnt possible because it was to soft, and he had tried for 10 years, and gave up trying to use gold like that 10 years ago. That is when he told me that the alternative was silver and they start at 10k.

I'm not looking to argue, but the man told me that out of his mouth. If you don't believe me, call him yourself and ask.

I have no reason to think he would misinform me. I think grassley's cue confirms my account.

rg
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pccues.com has a beautiful ebony Rasputin with silver veneers and three shafts for less than 10k. I won't say how much, since it's not my cue, but it is significantly less than that and, apparently, is only slightly over what Ernie charged for the cue.

Ryan
 
NYC cue dude said:
Just as one example,

I own more than one gina, and there is one in particular i will refer to.

It is has an ebony forearm, snakewood points, snakewood oval type inlay in the but with one single red veneer.

Bill grassley had the same cue with silver veneers listed for 12k (i believe the pic is still on his sight. My cue is in the 4k range. Big difference with the silver veneers.

I spoke to ernie about a year ago, asking for a cue with 14k gold veneers. He told me it wasnt possible because it was to soft, and he had tried for 10 years, and gave up trying to use gold like that 10 years ago. That is when he told me that the alternative was silver and they start at 10k.

I'm not looking to argue, but the man told me that out of his mouth. If you don't believe me, call him yourself and ask.

I have no reason to think he would misinform me. I think grassley's cue confirms my account.

rg
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you have a ginacue.. ok, so do i... and mine has silver veneers and guess what, it was only $8000 not $10,000. the cue copied in this case is the 16a ginacue... i asked ernie how much it would cost me for a 16a with an ebony nose with silver and IVORY veneers and he said around $9000, which is nowhere near the $12,000 you are talking about. i'm not trying to argue either... i'm just telling you you're wrong. just because someone owns a particular cue doesn't mean they know anything about them. i could go out and buy a ferarri but i still wouldn't know crap about their cars.
 
i stand corrected then. When I spoke to ernie, he told me they started at 10k, so with that in mind, I spec'd my prices from that. the cue grassley was selling,I figured there was a 20% markup, if that, Which still put that cue atleast at 10k. Which is more than double the cost of the cue without the veneers.

I have an email into pccues, and waiting to see how much his cue with those veneers are, as I was told that the cue is considerably less than 10k, which i find hard to believe.

With all that said, I never saw it necessary to make this personal, as you did, when you went on to say I know "nothing" about this.

I own over 100k in cues, and my collection includes some of the rarest most collectible cues ever built. I am pretty confident in my collecting abilities, and in the end, thats all that really matters.

rg
 
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