The best playing cue ive bought to date period!

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Dont get me wrong...I wasnt specifically pointing you out as one of "them" and your price is well worth it for this cue. Anyone who knows cues knows this is not just a "player". I also posted in your thread because I too felt lisa's comments were uncalled for. I recently sold a nice haley that I had ordered 3 years ago but things come up like college tutuion for the kids and I admit I made some money on the cue but thats not something anyone should have feelings about one way or the other. I have drooled many times on martin's site at Dave's work. There's nothing wrong with making money. I have bought and sold gus,gina,mottey,haley,searing,and just about every cuemaker out there long before many on this site. I was one of grassley's first customers and john wright was selling me cues back in the day. I'm sorry if you thought I ment your were making money on the cue but in this times breaking even is like making money:thumbup:
 
Dont get me wrong...I wasnt specifically pointing you out as one of "them" and your price is well worth it for this cue. Anyone who knows cues knows this is not just a "player". I also posted in your thread because I too felt lisa's comments were uncalled for. I recently sold a nice haley that I had ordered 3 years ago but things come up like college tutuion for the kids and I admit I made some money on the cue but thats not something anyone should have feelings about one way or the other. I have drooled many times on martin's site at Dave's work. There's nothing wrong with making money. I have bought and sold gus,gina,mottey,haley,searing,and just about every cuemaker out there long before many on this site. I was one of grassley's first customers and john wright was selling me cues back in the day. I'm sorry if you thought I ment your were making money on the cue but in this times breaking even is like making money:thumbup:


No no I get it i didn't think you were I just added that into a long reply no biggie. Thanks it was uncalled for by far!
Yes people don't get it's break down
Take 1500 on player add around 100 a ring x5, 2k, 300-350 wrap,50- 100 underwrap, @2400 , JP 150, @2550 and that wood lmfao it's priceless most makers charge 300 easy for upcharge well it's Dave he's world class and this wood is finest and oldest I've seen $500 well ya have your 3k folks sorry there's no other way to break this down
 
Took longer than usual.

I can gaurentee the Frey you are getting next week will be one of the best cues you will ever own.
Nick :)
 
I can gaurentee the Frey you are getting next week will be one of the best cues you will ever own.
Nick :)

Nick your correct I know cause I've had about 20 through the years.

That Frey will be an insane player!!!! But wait are we allowed to say that since we never seen it?? Wait you and I both know when dealing with Maryland cue makers named Tim Scruggs, Mike Cochran, Bob Frey , as well as the finest Tony&Donnie at Black Boar you get a monster every damn time and they get better and better it's sad that everyone else in the world doesn't know that. I just asume to keep enjoying them and getting great cues
 
Instead of bickering about it I want to just look at the pictures again. I love those rings. Whoever ends up purchasing it will be happy with it. Great job Dave for producing such a sweet looking cue.
 
Agree

Instead of bickering about it I want to just look at the pictures again. I love those rings. Whoever ends up purchasing it will be happy with it. Great job Dave for producing such a sweet looking cue.

Agree! Dave does a great job on all his cues but this one top hand selected everythig with all options were used cause he made it for himself it's very special
 
Chris we always been cool I will respect an opinion
But... I don't agree

When I say best cue ever hits a ton etc I can describe it as I feel
I don't pump it up---it's cause they are----I buy cues that play---each one getting better and better as I upgrade you won't buy a Cue from me that doesn't play just like that ST I sold ya did I lie?? Answer no

Point is I tell none of you how to sell your stuff list an ad etc don't tell me
It's not my fault I come into contact with more cues and can obtain them than most on here,it don't matter to me how long I keep them to me it's the fact that I can say I owned almost every cue maker out there that matters to me in my eyes all played a ton

If I keep a cue, it depends on several things which I won't go into


Steve - You missed my point. I was not talking about MY opinion. I was shedding a little light from the people who are saying negative things about your sales technique. You praise whatever the item is. Then inevitably it's for sale within 2-40 days. It bothers some people, obviously.... But I'm not one of them. I thought I was helping you see it from another point of view but apparently you don't need that so I will bow out. My apologies.

Did you lie about the ST? I've had 12 of them over the last three years. I knew exactly how that cue was going to play without your input. I didn't buy it because you said it was the best cue. Does it play better than any of the others I've had? No, it doesn't. Aesthetically it fits my collection of Hoppe cues. That is the singular reason why I bought that ST.
 
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Steve - You missed my point. I was not talking about MY opinion. I was shedding a little light from the people who are saying negative things about your sales technique. You praise whatever the item is. Then inevitably it's for sale within 2-40 days. It bothers some people, obviously.... But I'm not one of them. I thought I was helping you see it from another point of view but apparently you don't need that so I will bow out. My apologies.

Did you lie about the ST? I've had 12 of them over the last three years. I knew exactly how that cue was going to play without your input. I didn't buy it because you said it was the best cue. Does it play better than any of the others I've had? No, it doesn't. Aesthetically it fits my collection of Hoppe cues. That is the singular reason why I bought that ST.

lol you missed mine-----thats not technique its fact.why am i gonna post something and just no describe it.if its a dud i would of posted it pretty cue by dave but plays like shit.but its doesnt strongest hitting cue ive held but make no mistake if i get a dud it be described as one but thats never gonna happen i make sure of that every time.every cue i have increases in playability.either take it for what it is or go elsewhere.its petty what was said by lisa and the lil band wagon that follows eachother on here and ill be the first to call it out. she as well as many had no issues talking about it when posted i sell quick and its now i did it on purpose.hahahahahhahahha get with it man.if i got it day 1 id of posted it for sale not the way it was.its was spur of the moment change of mind to sell.thats no ones concern either.
 
I dont think 3K is out of line for that cue at all. Its a rare piece of wood by a top cuemaker. Its not like a Dale Perry being chucked out of a factory.

If in fact it is an incredible player that makes it even more desirable!
 
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I dont think 3K is out of line for that cue at all. Its a rare piece of wood by a top cuemaker. Its not like a Dale Perry being chucked out of a factory.

If in fact it is an incredible player that makes it even more desirable!

you can say that again.its very elegant
 
First, how was my post out of line? I did not make my comment in your Wanted/For Sale thread, so no forum rules were broken. As to my group of followers....huh? I make my comments independent of any one else who has posted here, and to the best of my knowledge, I have no 'posse'. LoL!

So, out of curiosity....how many racks did you play with this cue to determine that is was the 'best playing cue to date....period'? Just wonderin' because your ad lists the cue as new with one shaft being test hit. It typically takes more than a few hits to see what a cue can do, and really, anything more than that and the cue has been played and is therefore no longer 'new'.

When you buy a new car, and then drive it, maybe just even around the block, and then attempt to sell it, it is no longer 'new'.....it was used the minute you drove it off the lot.

I do happen to believe that your intention was to sell the cue out of the gate, it's kind of your MO. Amazing playing cues just do not come down the pike everyday...if it was, in fact, that religious an experience, then you would be a moron to sell it....and many, if not most, would not. Problem is.......every cue you get is 'the best player'. Your credibility for being able to tell the difference between a good player and bad, IMHO, is compromised....because you have, according to you, never met a cue you didn't like.

Lisa
 
I dont think 3K is out of line for that cue at all. Its a rare piece of wood by a top cuemaker. Its not like a Dale Perry being chucked out of a factory.

If in fact it is an incredible player that makes it even more desirable!

Fact. $3K is not out of line. The rings are more complex & require more work, time, & expertise than ANY inlay designs I have yet from ANY builder. Case in point, inlays can & often are imitated, copied, borrowed, etc. Dave's rings are not. In fact, he's the only one in the world that is skilled enough to do and make it look right. Unlike inlays that can be touched up, tweaked, gaps filled with colored adhesive filler, Dave's rings have to be exactly perfect every time or else it won't look good. There's infinitely more room for error. The fact that even the best builders in the world cannot locate any of that error in his work is a testament to his skill. I have held his cues close to my face, searching for a screw up or short cut that get's him the results he gets. I know how he builds the rings, the techniques it requires & the exacting of making the billets all the way through to the alignment of individual pieces. I understand how he does it, but for the life of me cannot understand how a human being has that kind of tenacity, patience, & stubbornness to make them. The skill is nearly unfathomable and i'd predict that we'll never see anything like his work ever again. Most builders aren't even capable of cutting wood rings that thin. I am, and understand the delicacy of it, but to assemble that many in with utter alignment perfection is well beyond me.

The fact that the cues are nearly perfect and no aid from CNC make it truly worthy of the art & skill levels of the greatest artists in history. Best yet, they do play phenomenal. If I didn't build my own to my specific liking, i'd be playing with one of his. I plan to get one someday, anyway, because I truly believe he'll go through cue history as one of the most unique and skilled builders ever. The cue is easily worth $3G's. Like any "real" art, there's not really a limit to what it's worth. I doubt anybody will really ever understand the skill it takes to do those rings. He explained it to me and I still can't comprehend it. It inspires me, though.
 
Fact. $3K is not out of line. The rings are more complex & require more work, time, & expertise than ANY inlay designs I have yet from ANY builder. Case in point, inlays can & often are imitated, copied, borrowed, etc. Dave's rings are not. In fact, he's the only one in the world that is skilled enough to do and make it look right. Unlike inlays that can be touched up, tweaked, gaps filled with colored adhesive filler, Dave's rings have to be exactly perfect every time or else it won't look good. There's infinitely more room for error. The fact that even the best builders in the world cannot locate any of that error in his work is a testament to his skill. I have held his cues close to my face, searching for a screw up or short cut that get's him the results he gets. I know how he builds the rings, the techniques it requires & the exacting of making the billets all the way through to the alignment of individual pieces. I understand how he does it, but for the life of me cannot understand how a human being has that kind of tenacity, patience, & stubbornness to make them. The skill is nearly unfathomable and i'd predict that we'll never see anything like his work ever again. Most builders aren't even capable of cutting wood rings that thin. I am, and understand the delicacy of it, but to assemble that many in with utter alignment perfection is well beyond me.

The fact that the cues are nearly perfect and no aid from CNC make it truly worthy of the art & skill levels of the greatest artists in history. Best yet, they do play phenomenal. If I didn't build my own to my specific liking, i'd be playing with one of his. I plan to get one someday, anyway, because I truly believe he'll go through cue history as one of the most unique and skilled builders ever. The cue is easily worth $3G's. Like any "real" art, there's not really a limit to what it's worth. I doubt anybody will really ever understand the skill it takes to do those rings. He explained it to me and I still can't comprehend it. It inspires me, though.

Very well stated!! Richard Black has built some cues for me in the past that the ringwork was very fancy and intricate. It was more than 300 a ring..
 
Eric's post isn't merely a ringing endorsement, it's a really impressive insight.
Dave's ringwork is the nuts, for sure.
 
Steve,

I think people are reacting the way they are is because of the "little boy who cried wolf" syndrome that you do with every cue. Maybe if you weren't so over the top with your descriptions and "best this" or "best that" other members wouldn't give a crap less.

I don't think one person actually cares what you do with your belongings at all. It's your money or items.


Personally, I have benefitted from your sickness as you call it. This is just my observation. That is why I will not comment on any of your items. The gallery is just a sneak preview of your next for sale item. Like I said , I'm cool with it...
Chris

This comment fits me perfectly, the problem I have is I have and use the best playing cue ever and I keep trying to find the next better one and always end up back with the old reliable Gilbert. Unfortunately I am too hard headed to stop buying new players. Luckily for me I like really nice cues but primarily plain ones so the damage I do to myself is generally under 2k and I almost always lose a little money on every cue I buy.

So as I have stated here before, I am a hopeless cue swapping whore who generally blows a few grand a year in cue resale loses. But I am sure many out there have some damn fine players at my minor expense and enjoyment.

Take Care All
-don
 
lisa

First, how was my post out of line? I did not make my comment in your Wanted/For Sale thread, so no forum rules were broken. As to my group of followers....huh? I make my comments independent of any one else who has posted here, and to the best of my knowledge, I have no 'posse'. LoL!

So, out of curiosity....how many racks did you play with this cue to determine that is was the 'best playing cue to date....period'? Just wonderin' because your ad lists the cue as new with one shaft being test hit. It typically takes more than a few hits to see what a cue can do, and really, anything more than that and the cue has been played and is therefore no longer 'new'.

When you buy a new car, and then drive it, maybe just even around the block, and then attempt to sell it, it is no longer 'new'.....it was used the minute you drove it off the lot.

I do happen to believe that your intention was to sell the cue out of the gate, it's kind of your MO. Amazing playing cues just do not come down the pike everyday...if it was, in fact, that religious an experience, then you would be a moron to sell it....and many, if not most, would not. Problem is.......every cue you get is 'the best player'. Your credibility for being able to tell the difference between a good player and bad, IMHO, is compromised....because you have, according to you, never met a cue you didn't like.

Lisa

lisa,
ill feed into you no more.you were out of line.im done not mad at you.its over.IT WASNT MY INTENTION ITS NOT YOUR WORRY WHAT I SELL MY TRASNACTIONS HERE AND QUALITY IS FLAWLESS.YOUR SO CALLED OPINION WAS NOTED AND KEEP IT IN PM OR TO YOURSELF NEXT TIME.I sell amazing great hitting cues alot.so believe it. i tell the difference in cues easy.you will be more understanding if u knew who i knew and lived where i lived.marylan cue makers get er done in my areA.THEY PLAY INSANE AND KEEP GETTING BETTER thats not saying anything bad about others.i have never met a cue i didnt like that i owned or sold cause i wouldnt have owned it if it werent 100% duh.i have hit held seen tons of stuff i didnt like whats your point thats why its not mine or didnt come from me or i didnt buy it.u do have a posse. and hit some yes used its mint looks unplayed thats why my price is what it is. the cues worth it and dave asksed way more for it to begin with, that price is a deal, so it stays at that since it was hit with. JEALOUS IM NOT SURE BUT IM SORRY YOU WHO ARE BITTER DONT GET SAME QUALITY OR LUCK WITH PICKING CUES OR THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THEM. THATS ALL I CAN SAY
 
Yup

this comment fits me perfectly, the problem i have is i have and use the best playing cue ever and i keep trying to find the next better one and always end up back with the old reliable gilbert. Unfortunately i am too hard headed to stop buying new players. Luckily for me i like really nice cues but primarily plain ones so the damage i do to myself is generally under 2k and i almost always lose a little money on every cue i buy.

So as i have stated here before, i am a hopeless cue swapping whore who generally blows a few grand a year in cue resale loses. But i am sure many out there have some damn fine players at my minor expense and enjoyment.

Take care all
-don


thats ok enjoy what ya enjoy doing dont lets others take that from ya!!!!difference is you go back to same cue and getting duds as you say mine keep getting better i solely suggest maybe you all change to barenbrugge, sugartree, black boar, mike cocharn, tim scruggs, bob frey, tasc,szamboti, barnhart etc to find what i mean as time goes by technology changes and their time making them gets longer their cues get better atleast the ones they made for me or i pick out
 
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