The best way to improve?

troyroy78

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For many players trying to improve their game it is usual advice that they should take lessons and play more drills to improve their levels of consistency.

As this is the case, when should a player start to stretch his wings so to speak and start playing with better players?

Should they start doing this whilst taking on a training program or should they do the training 1st before testing themselves against better players?

What is the right way to go about this?


Any advice would be greatly appreciated



Roy
 
You can play better players whenever you want, if they are willing.

Some say doing this will help you improve. I personally think it doesn't that much unless the better player is specifically going out of his way to help you and explain things to you. But if you don't mind losing and you are learning, go ahead.

But, don't throw away money at it. It's possible to improve without playing them. You don't need to gamble with them to reach the next level. Just do the boring stuff you already know - books, lessons, drills.

Another thing I personally recommend: figure out now what bad habits you have and break them. For example spinning in cut shots with outside or inside english (that don't need it), or using draw all the time, or banking balls because you're scared to cut them.
 
I think always getting to play players that are even or better will improve your game. The reason is because most of the time they will cause you to play outside of what is normal. A good example would be safes. Tonight, I shot again someone who I'm sure was better than me, but I did pretty well holding my own. Safe after safe, it was good practice.
 
For many players trying to improve their game it is usual advice that they should take lessons and play more drills to improve their levels of consistency.

As this is the case, when should a player start to stretch his wings so to speak and start playing with better players?

Should they start doing this whilst taking on a training program or should they do the training 1st before testing themselves against better players?

What is the right way to go about this?


Any advice would be greatly appreciated



Roy

You should enter tournaments with better players. it's cheaper than gambling
 
For many players trying to improve their game it is usual advice that they should take lessons and play more drills to improve their levels of consistency.

As this is the case, when should a player start to stretch his wings so to speak and start playing with better players?

Should they start doing this whilst taking on a training program or should they do the training 1st before testing themselves against better players?

What is the right way to go about this?


Any advice would be greatly appreciated



Roy

Hi Roy,
Lessons and drills are fine for improving your stroke and arsenal of shots, but to improve your game/competitive performance, you have to play against another player.

I see no problem with competing against other players while in a training program. If anything, situations in match play, might make some aspects of the training make more sense to you. And fuel you to work harder on your training.
When playing against someone, you want to play against someone better than you. Even if you are getting stomped, you should be watching what your opponent does, and understand why he/she does it. If you don't understand, ask him/her why they did what they did.

In match play, you are mostly concerned about the shot selections / game strategies.

In training, you are mostly concerned about stroke, eye pattern/aim, and successful execution of shots(pocketing balls and CB position).

If you can, you may want to find a coach or mentor.

JMHO,
Mathew
 
IMO, the only way to improve your game is table time. If you are single, than
you stay at the pool hall all day hitting balls. Go to different pool halls to learn to play on different equipment. Learn the players in the pool halls, there speed and if they play for cash or funnies. Gather as much information as you can. Keep practicing, before you know it, you will be hitting the balls better and better. Once you get to this stage of your game, then start taking challenges and establish goals for yourself. If you know you are the same speed as another player, challenge him/her, them, to a match, it doesn't have to be much, dinner, 10$ or something, by doing this, this will help you play better under pressure. If you don't want to gamble, than play in weekly tournaments, this will also help you under pressure. Keep track of your successes, weakness and your strenghs, work on your weakness and improve your strengths and before you know it, you will become competetive.
Note, this for some people is a time frame of a couple of years, while for others, its a time frame of months. Don't get discouage if things don't go you way, they hardly ever do, just learn to fight though them, this in itself
will make you a better player. Hope this helps,
 
It's very hard to break out of the Training/Practice mode. You must have complete faith that you have installed your new habits properly. With that said, we can not Train all the time, we must also test our game.

In school, we like to explain to our students that: "When your Training habits automaticly show up on Game day, you are there." The majot problem is on Game day, we must not let our old habits take center stage.

I like "poolplayer2093" advise. Tournament agains your level and better players will show you immediately how well you have trained.

I personaly still have a Training routine that I do weekly.

Nice post....SPF=randyg
 
one thing that helped me out was when RandyG broke down my stroke on film. because i could see what i was doing wrong and what needed to be done to fix the problems i had in my stoke.

also watch film of the pros playing
 
If I might add one thought to Randy's post, it is important to understand that your mental process is much different when you are practicing than when you are playing in competition. When you are training, you are focused on what and how you are doing everything. You are training yourself to incorporate new habits.
In competition, you must remain focused on the match itself. Don't be thinking about your stroke when you are competing. If you have been training properly, it will take care of itself. We play the way we practice.

Steve
 
For many players trying to improve their game it is usual advice that they should take lessons and play more drills to improve their levels of consistency.

As this is the case, when should a player start to stretch his wings so to speak and start playing with better players?

Should they start doing this whilst taking on a training program or should they do the training 1st before testing themselves against better players?

What is the right way to go about this?


Any advice would be greatly appreciated



Roy

First of all, drills and classes and books and dvd's will not make you a better player.

I am an instructor and an author, and yes, I am saying that.

What drills and and classes and books and dvd's provide is information. It comes down to what you do with that information. I know many players that have collected so much information, that when they need to put that knowledge into action, their brain goes dead and they need to reboot.

Collecting information and knowledge is one thing. Being able to apply that knowledge under pressure is something completely different.

Which brings us back to your main question - "What is the right way to go about this?'

There is a right and a wrong way. You have to know the difference between the two.

The wrong way is what I call the road of self induced pressure. This is where the player places unrealistic expectations upon his skills and abilities.

The players says things such as -

"You better win or else!"

"Winning is the only acceptable result!"

These may sound as if they are "warrior-like" statements, but in reality, they are mantra's of self-destruction.

These statements place a lot of undue stress upon the player, and sooner rather than later, they become victims of self sabotage. They don't learn from their mistakes because they have tunnel vision towards elusive victory. Victory is something that they are chasing - not achieving. In their mind, victory is NOT a stationary target or goal. It is sort of like running a race where the finish line keeps moving farther into the distance. The faster you run, the farther it creeps ahead. That is what causes frustration.

Most players believe that the answer is to collect more information. If one remedy doesn't work under their self induced pressure - they toss it aside and use something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue.

Nothing works, and they just get lost in that repetitive cycle.

The answer is not "more information. It's about how you process the information through your thinking patterns.

So what is the correct way?

The correct way, is to relax and learn from every situation - both negative and positive. You need to know what makes you tick. You need to know how you react under pressure. Lastly, you need to know your opponent, as well as you know yourself. Easier said than done.

Be realistic in setting short term, mid term and long term goals. Ensure that goals are geared towards gradual progress, not strictly on performance outcomes. Strive for progress, not perfection. If you miss a shot, find out why. If you get nervous or flustered in certain situations, find out why. One you find out why, ASK QUESTIONS. Experiment with the answers and make sure that the answers fit your style of thinking and moving while under pressure. One remedy does not fit the needs of every player.

Learn how to generate positive and effective self talk during competition. It is just as important to learn how to do this while you are at the table as well as in the chair. It is also a good idea to learn how to do this when things are going wrong and when they are going right.

Evaluate your results and chart your progress. Sometimes when you lose, the silver lining of that black cloud is that a weakness has been exposed to you (and everybody else). It is your responsibility to transform that weakness into a strength.

View losses and setbacks as opportunities to grow as a player. Do not view them as ultimate failures. Setbacks and losses are part of the growth process, and they are the best thing to get your attention and get you back on the right track.

If you need anything at all, don't hesitate to get with me.
 
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I would recomend PAT (Players ability test). Its many drills for 3 or 4 different levels in 4 different books (Pat-start, pat 1, pat 2 and pat 3).

PAT is developed by Jörgen Sandman and two other people i cant remember the name of. Jörgen use the program for training players, and he have trained players who later have won EC, WC etc. So it works, definetly.

I belive Thorsten Hohmann uses the program to, and also Jasmin Ouschan. There is some exersice-videos of Hohmann doing PAT-drills on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsGFc0puuBI

More about PAT:
http://www.pat-billiard.com/index1.aspx


Good luck with your training!
 
Look into joe tuckers stuff especially the rail workout and the corner pocket workout... Practice these things religiously, and you will see results within a month.. Work on weakness, you know those shots you get in a game that you know your going to dog. Practice them and you will make them in crunch time. Strive to practice, work at your game and COMPETE.... I try and play a minimum of 5 hrs a day usually its much more than that. Trust me after a few months your game will skyrocket just do it...
 
I respect BlackJack's analysis totally and agree for the most part. I am reading "Pleasures in Small Motions" and I now understand why winning cannot be your only motivation. You need to take pleasure in the game itself and through that pleasure it will help you with the motivation necessary to work on improving your weak points.

One other thing I agree with is to HONESTLY document/chart the results of drills over time. Seeing these numbers will set your expectations and not set you up for negativity if you don't succeed during a match.

I am no expert, but I have plenty of statistical analysis background and never thought to apply to my pool game because I used to just consider it just a game. In reality, I love playing and the feeling I get when I perform exactly as I picture it.
 
If I might add one thought to Randy's post, it is important to understand that your mental process is much different when you are practicing than when you are playing in competition. When you are training, you are focused on what and how you are doing everything. You are training yourself to incorporate new habits.
In competition, you must remain focused on the match itself. Don't be thinking about your stroke when you are competing. If you have been training properly, it will take care of itself. We play the way we practice.

Steve

GREAT: Yogi said: "How can you think and hit at the same time?" randyg
 
I respect BlackJack's analysis totally and agree for the most part. I am reading "Pleasures in Small Motions" and I now understand why winning cannot be your only motivation. You need to take pleasure in the game itself and through that pleasure it will help you with the motivation necessary to work on improving your weak points.

One other thing I agree with is to HONESTLY document/chart the results of drills over time. Seeing these numbers will set your expectations and not set you up for negativity if you don't succeed during a match.

I am no expert, but I have plenty of statistical analysis background and never thought to apply to my pool game because I used to just consider it just a game. In reality, I love playing and the feeling I get when I perform exactly as I picture it.

I really liked this post. Something I notice in all people who are still learning - they don't have a realistic idea of what to expect. They say "I should have made that" on a genuinely tough shot because they don't get that it's tough, so they're mad when they miss. They are too focused on individual shots instead of running racks and playing the percentages. They get all happy about the jumps and banks, and remember them for the rest of the night, but they don't notice or don't care when they did 3 routine positional shots in a row correctly (which is something to take pride in). They make claims like "this bank is the right shot, it's easy, I am 50/50 to make it" when in reality they are 20% to make it and they're only shooting it because they're scared of thin cuts.

I haven't been on the wrong end of a beating in a while, and I know I don't like to lose, but truly a player has to let go of the idea of winning or losing. Play each shot with maximum effort and then let the chips fall where they may. The only unacceptible result is shooting in a lazy way. If you lose every game but tried your hardest to play properly, you cannot let yourself be upset.
 
There's a lot of good advice here, and a lot of it has been repeated. Drills/Practice. Playing better players. Table time. Instruction. Etc.

Here are a few that I've not seen mentioned.

Watch good players. Watch pro matches. See if you would do what they do. If you are doing something different, figure out why they chose to do it one way, and you're doing it another.

Get a note pad and write stuff down. Write down things you want to improve. I have a note pad in my case. If I want to work on something, I write it down. Then I can go back and work on it. (Keeping my stroke arm relaxed when hitting a hard shot)(Keeping a smooth back stroke on critical shots). So I practice hitting shots hard, but keeping my arm relaxed. When practicing, I slow down my back stroke even more, so my habit when playing will be a smooth slow backstroke.
Hopefully you get the idea.

Learn to play for the enjoyment of playing. Enjoy the movement of the balls. Enjoy the control you gain over what happens on the table.
If all you are playing for is to win, then you're going to be disappointed quite a bit. If you play, and enjoy playing no matter what, you'll have gained a lot indeed.

Best of luck on your quest...
 
People say play better players, and indeed I don't know of any other way to actually improve. I also say don't just spar but put some competitive pressure on your stroke (I know this is controversial), even if it's a token amount.

However, "play better players" doesn't mean you play Mika Immonen being a D player. Just play someone a little higher speed.

If you get the chance to sit there and rack for a pro in a tournament or whatever (I've done it), by all means. But realistically, you will be playing someone immediately above your speed most times.
 
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