"The Billiard Channel" Possible?

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I was wondering how many see this possible in the future since KT does own "The European Golf CHannel." This channel would allow him to sale commercial time of all types of products, plus be able to sale tapes of the matches that are being played on TV (accu-stats and IPT videos ). Have Instructional series' (like the golf channel) and ultimately, live coverage of IPT events, and possibly coverage of other major events.
"One Pocket Wednesdays" sure has a nice ring to it.
 
Scottster said:
I was wondering how many see this possible in the future since KT does own "The European Golf CHannel." This channel would allow him to sale commercial time of all types of products, plus be able to sale tapes of the matches that are being played on TV (accu-stats and IPT videos ). Have Instructional series' (like the golf channel) and ultimately, live coverage of IPT events, and possibly coverage of other major events.
"One Pocket Wednesdays" sure has a nice ring to it.
i think you have a great idea there.........try to get the word to him .........
 
I believe he already mentioned a 'Billiards Channel' as a possibility in the future in one of his interviews. Perhaps the one in Billiards Digest.

For it to get good ratings, it would need a lot of good content. A lot of the stuff produced in the past may not attract any but the hardened fan.

Perhaps some of the older classics could be re-produced and edited.

Certainly hope to see it in the not to distant future!
 
you got to be kidding, it'll never get off the ground, if you can't book a bet on it, it can't be done, IMO
 
I've been wondering about the concept of a billiard channel lately myself. If the IPT takes off as I think it might, a billiard channel might well succeed.

As a golfer, I was delighted to hear the news of a golf channel. In the early years, it was not available in Manhattan where I lived. I called the cable company often to voice my outrage. I guess enough others did as well, because we eventually got it. Now it's part of many basic packages.

In any case, when The Golf Channel began, there were many, many naysayers who said it could never be successful. '24/7 of golf? You must be kidding!' Well, obviously, they we're kidding, and today TGC is a stunning success.

Funny thing, thinking back a bit further, I remember when people said a channel with nothing but sports 24/7 could never fly. They must still chuckle at that over at ESPN.
 
tedkaufman said:
I've been wondering about the concept of a billiard channel lately myself. If the IPT takes off as I think it might, a billiard channel might well succeed.

As a golfer, I was delighted to hear the news of a golf channel. In the early years, it was not available in Manhattan where I lived. I called the cable company often to voice my outrage. I guess enough others did as well, because we eventually got it. Now it's part of many basic packages.

In any case, when The Golf Channel began, there were many, many naysayers who said it could never be successful. '24/7 of golf? You must be kidding!' Well, obviously, they we're kidding, and today TGC is a stunning success.

Funny thing, thinking back a bit further, I remember when people said a channel with nothing but sports 24/7 could never fly. They must still chuckle at that over at ESPN.


but golf was already a tv staple on the big networks.

i know nothing about TV, but undertaking television, i would think, is WAAAYYYYY more expensive than backing some pool tour. the core of such a network would have to be televising tournaments and THAT costs.

and i'll be honest,,,,i don't think the pool community will support it. the numbers aren't big enough
 
The reason I get frustrated with pool on TV is because it's Allison Allison Allison Allison Allison Allison Corr Allison etc. Show some of the other matches!
 
bruin70 said:
but golf was already a tv staple on the big networks.

i know nothing about TV, but undertaking television, i would think, is WAAAYYYYY more expensive than backing some pool tour. the core of such a network would have to be televising tournaments and THAT costs.

and i'll be honest,,,,i don't think the pool community will support it. the numbers aren't big enough

Sure it would have high cost initially but you don't have to just key on pool shows and you have the opportunity to sell all kinds of products. I always had the idea for an all indoor sports recreation channel, you buy old poker episodes, run IPT pool shows, buy some dart, snooker, and bowling reruns (which, outside of the poker would cost absolutely nothing to run in syndication, you could get lots of old footage) and for the best part sell a wide range of recreation supplies for poker, pool, dart, ping pong, bowling etc. You already have a game show network, video game network, outdoor network, why couldn't an all indoor sports channel work? Heck I bet you could sell a boatload of stuff, it could be 50% selling stuff, and infomercials:D

I had this idea before the IPT even started, but of course I don't have $$ to start it up, ideas cost too much money, man I need to find a rich friend:D

ISRN The all Indoor Sports & Recreation Network
 
Hal said:
The reason I get frustrated with pool on TV is because it's Allison Allison Allison Allison Allison Allison Corr Allison etc. Show some of the other matches!
I fully agree, but Im sure ESPN is thinking "If we show women, especially a semi attractive middle aged blond, we may get guys who dont play pool to watch this also."

Same thing with trick shots, they rerun that a lot because it makes it more interesting for those who dont play pool.
 
I totally agree with you Hal. I find myself rooting for the "other" player all the time now, even though I have met both Allison and Karen and they both seem like stand up individuals. I really want to see some new blood on TV. Everone talks about all that Karen and Allison have done for the sport, but in my opinion, it has reached a level of monotony that only the IPT has a chance of breaking!!!!
 
IMO, televised pool is never going to break through until they start showing the fun stuff - the afterhours gambling, woofing, sharking, sidebetting, etc. They could get a lot of hours of good TV coverage at the Derby City Classic alone. As popular as reality TV is, it's pretty obvious that viewers like real stuff and are bored with contrived, tired, been-there-done-that programming. I've been watching a poker program on the net called "Live at the Bike" from the Bicycle Casino. It shows the live cash games, unedited, unrehearsed, un-gutted, and is way more entertaining than the slick poker programs you normally see. Hate to repeat, but.....take a camera, follow one of the colorful road dogs around (I vote for Scotty Townsend) and you would end up with some butt-kickin' entertainment.
 
A few things of note...

1. The Golf Channel is NOT a "stunning success." It makes a profit, albeit a small one, but they provide second-rate coverage because they don't pay their staff a whole lot. Shows like "The Big Break" get entirely too much coverage, and more than half of their programming is infomercials.

2. There are, oh, 20x as many golfers in the U.S. as there are pool players.

That's it. In other words, I don't think that a billiards channel is likely to happen. 24/7 golf is fine... until you realize that 18 of those hours are infomercials, repeats (and by repeats I mean 10+ airings of the same one-hour show per week), etc.

There simply isn't enough money in pool and billiards to fund such a thing, and no advertisers would see a reasonable return on investment because there aren't enough pool players.
 
Scottster said:
I was wondering how many see this possible in the future since KT does own "The European Golf CHannel." This channel would allow him to sale commercial time of all types of products, plus be able to sale tapes of the matches that are being played on TV (accu-stats and IPT videos ). Have Instructional series' (like the golf channel) and ultimately, live coverage of IPT events, and possibly coverage of other major events.
"One Pocket Wednesdays" sure has a nice ring to it.

A few years ago, I suggested a "Game Channel" that would include pool/billiards, as well as other "obscure" sports like darts, foosball, pingpong. Even backgammon and card games that have world championships and tournaments (other than poker). The filming and film footage already exists for most if not all of these sports and games. It's a question of funding and viewership.

That all being said, there already is a Gameshow Network (GSN- The Network for Games) that could simply start adding pool et al.

Fred
 
I met someone while we were both in Canada for a Dufferin tournament that was going to start TBC - The Billiard Channel, back in the late 80's, early 90's. He asked for 2 of my favorite pictures and said he would return them and never did...and he never started TBC either!
 
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Cornerman said:
That all being said, there already is a Gameshow Network (GSN- The Network for Games) that could simply start adding pool et al.

They have already done this, with the first season of that "Ballbreakers" show in 2005. I have not heard if this has been picked up for a second season or not yet. There is certainly a lot more could be done with the format if they wanted to develop it, a pro-am Scotch doubles setup would be interesting, at least that way you'd get to watch some good shooting.

There is also the Billiard Club Network, which I'm surprised no-one has mentioned yet. Although they recently seem to have imploded in terms of their content and also getting involved in unpleasant marketing schemes (The Quick-Clean/Chalk-Off debacle) their original concept was to create an ongoing Billiards video magazine with match coverage, instruction and news. This was originally supposed to be sold directly to Pool Halls to use on their internal video displays and to home users via a subscription system that used a background download client to get around the problem of bandwidth.

I only ever got a sample video of this, I have no idea how many issues were produced, although their website says they've signed some deals to show them on cable TV. Perhaps this is a new production, but all their current match content seems to have moved onto the low-resolution (albeit free) Google Video servers.
 
iacas said:
A few things of note...

2. There are, oh, 20x as many golfers in the U.S. as there are pool players.


Well, a bit of an exagerration, Eric. Estimates are that there are over 55 million pool players in the US. 20 times that would be in excess of 1 Billion golfers in the US. Our population is probably less than 300 million, so....

...but, I get your point. As much as I'd like to see a Billiards Channel (I'd watch it as much as my old lady watches HGTV), I have concerns that it would be successful. If I had the money and were willing to invest it in such a venture, I think there would be some key elements that would be necessary to appeal to the average poolplayer.

1. INSTRUCTIONAL SHOWS Not 30 second segments that say "if you hit this low outside, then you'll make the shot and get position" but half hour instructional shows from reputable instructors and players. Don't restrict this to fundamentals only... go with everything from making a simple cut shot to how to set up Kamura's Starburst shot. Be sure it's not boring. Feature instructors who have personality and the ability to verbally communicate their knowledge. Make these Instructional Shows interesting and informative, not only for the beginner and intermediate player, but for the more advanced player.

2. MATCHES SHOWN IN FULL! EVEN THE MISCUES AND BAD SHOTS! I feel like the average poolplayer, while he likes to see runouts, enjoys knowing that a pro can blow a shot now and then, also. Example, when I golfed, I loved watching over and over on ESPN when Tom Kite topped a drive and sent it a glaring 50 yards into the crowd. Made me realize that even the pros can screw up just like me.

3. ARTISTIC POOL. The average player will watch Mike Massey and Tom Rossman go at it with a lot more intensity than they'll watch Duell and Strickland.

4. REALITY BASED SHOWS. Hell, go golfing with Johnny Archer, fishing with Earl, etc... Show what their life is like AWAY from pool. Make them human and make them recognizable names for something other than pool. But also, as someone suggested, go into the pool rooms and practice rooms and show the woofing and gambling.

5. PLACES TO PLAY. Feature a nice pool room in a different part of the country every week. Have a motorhome with a small production crew and a few players go to different places. Interview and play with the locals. MAKE POOL FUN!

6. CLOTHING. Clothing that this imaginary network had interest in and would give the advertises great rates in exchange for a percentage of sales for endorsing the products. Have Ecco make a line of pool shoes that are advertised on the networks, have Polo make a line of poolplayers shirts, have Old Navy have Billiard Britches, etc. How many golfers do you know that wear a particular shirt because that's what their favorite pro player wears, or a hat, or a pair of shoes.

7. PLAYER FEATURES. Do features on players that are known to the general public, both living, like Mike Segal, Buddy Hall, Keith McCready and those passed, like Willie Mosoni, Ralph Greenleaf, Cowboy Jimmie Moore. Do a 30 minute or hour long "This is the life of..." show on these players. Do the living players in an inteview format, starting with their beginnings in pool, to their exploits, to their most memorable moments in gambling or tournament play, to what's important to them when they aren't at the table. Do the features on those passed from this world like a historical documentary. You would NEVER run out of great players, both living and dead, on whom to do features.

Now, All of those things would be easy to do, easy to arrange, so what else would it take.

MAJOR ADVERTISING! That's the hard part. How does the poolplaying community garner the Advertising purchase and support of companies like Nike, Merrell (best shoes I've ever played pool in), Sears, Best Western, Motel 6, AutoZone, Pizza Hut, etc. Oh, it would be easy to pull in Brunswick, Imperial USA, Olhausen, McDermott, and billiards related companies, but such a network would need big non-pool related advertisers with big budgets and big names (Jordan, Woods, etc.). I think it would be a hard road, but not one that couldn't be travelled. It can be done... after all, look at all the years that Winston sponsored NASCAR. They never made an automotive part in their history, but they sure got a lot of exposure from a venue that was once as "in the closet" as pool. At first, it would be necessary to PROVE the advertising worth to the big companies with the big budgets, but once you did, hey, you might have a shot at them. Think, if the "Pool Channel" were to show solid studies to a company like Motel 6, showing how many players travel to overnight tournaments, like the Midwest 9-Ball Tour, The Viking Tour, the Fast Eddies Tour, etc, and made a rate deal with the chain, in exchange for a recommending them when they pushed the tournaments on TV, well, that might bring ONE big "non-pool related" advertiser on board and that may get the attention of other big advertisers.

In any case, I don't have the money to make a home video of playing pool, much less start a network, but the right person with the right vision and the right attitude MIGHT be able to make it work.

Just my thoughts,
Bob
 
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