The DCC

It is good to get suggestions, everyone knows the fixes, there are so many things that go on behind the scenes that most of you never consider. I hate it when people say they did it so wrong, they screwed it up, fix this ,fix that, if it is that simple and you have the answers just go out and start your own big tournament. What I am trying to say is ask questions, know the facts before slamming people, and don't forget most people that complain, (exaggerate). Sure they could schedule all the matches for this tournament and let everyone know the time they were going to play (peice of cake) but then everyone would cry about the added expense because the event would need several more days to complete. Deby City is what it is and everyone should know that before they go, sure some things can be better and believe me they are trying. More tables would make things better so as soon as someone finds a location that can satisfy all those needs and that everyone will be happy with, oh and that is cheap enough, damn almost forgot it must be easy to get to, let Diamond know I am sure they would be greatful. IMO DCC rocks and there is nothing like it. Weather I made my point or not I feel better now, hope all well.
 
I agree 100% with Disco.

Grady mentions that his tournaments always run on time, on schedule.

Point 1 - has he ever run a 400 player tournament before?

Point 2 - I had a piece of Danny Harriman in the bank ring game a few years back. He was by far the best player on that day and going to win UNTIL Grady decided that both players had to be all in, last game. WTF. Did something go wrong with the scheduling? All I know is that something went wrong with the money that we were suppose to win because a one game crap shoot turned into Danny getting 2nd place.

Point 3 - The one pocket match I saw Grady playing was upstairs (in the same room that the Fatboy challenge was held the 1st night) Those tables were spaced nicely.

I do question who was in charge of the DCC and the player draw. It has been stated time and time again that the computer went down and the program to assign times crashed. Well, if this was the first year that the DCC was attempting to assign a specific time for your match - why didn't they go back to the old system that they have used for 10 years once the computer crashed? I saw Greg Sullivan playing matches so I don't think it was his responsibility but not sure whose it was.

People keep mentioning moving this tournament back to the Executive West - didn't it change hands and no longer want the DCC. I can't remember the exact reasoning.

I googled Executive West and got this website
http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/cp/1/en/hotel/sdfpl
 
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Wonder if they would mind if I packed up a bbq and cooked out in the parking lot :D
 
Fatboy said:
dosnet matter the score losing a game over a slept ball just dosent sound right-what do you think, Grady. Whats your call on this one, if it was in one of your events???


thanks

eric
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The question was directed to Grady but I am jumping in.Technically speaking ,the principle behind such ruling is NOT the 'slept ball' and it is illegally grabing the balls with the hand and then racking. such behaviors have alawys been penalized.I wish they could bring bigger penalties like that in 9 ball game on those guys who grab the cue ball while it is still moving after pocketing the 9 Ball.
had it happened to a player who is of questionable charecter it would have been an acceptable decision in the eyses of many.But it happened to a good guy like Roy and that is the part that caused some pain to me.
 
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:thumbup: I knew that Mr. Sullivan was ruining the greatest tournament ever in this country by moving to Harrah's, the math just don't work out. For the 10 years or so the event was held at the Executive West, the Hotel would have all the money at the end of the 10 days because that meant each player spent about $400 or so on their half the room rent. At Harrah's this cost nearly doubled so where was this extra money going to come from/ Grady has ran many tournaments I have attended and he ran them all first class with the help of his wife and his daughter, and if Mr. Sullivan really cares about his tournament and the Diamond reputation he will move his event back to the Executive West and give Mr. Mathews some serious consideration as he has proved many times that few have the love for the game of pool as Grady does. :thumbup:
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This isn't just to you, but to all of the negative posters in regards to this year's Derby. What do people not understand that the Executive West was NO LONGER AN OPTION to host the DCC? This is why the event was moved. Now, I didn't attend the event, and have never attended the event regretfully. But I intend on going next year, whether it's at Harrah's, or some other venue. Many of the problems which were encountered this year were predicted by Mr. Sullivan (such as the increase in room rates). Here is where he describes his dilemma:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=104615

and here:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=104620

Others issues were due to just being in a new location. I'm sure he'll take what went well at the new venue and keep them the same, and take what needs to be improved and improve them. Everyone has such a short memory when it comes to things like this. If you went to the DCC knowing that they had moved venues, then why would you expect that things would run absolutely smooth? I waiting 10 hours plus to play a match rediculous? Of course. Were the room rates higher? Yes they were. But from everything that I've heard through stories of people who were there, Harrah's was very impressed with the turnout and wants to have it again next year. Hopefully, Mr. Sullivan will be able to garner some concessions from them in regards to room rates, F&B (food and beverage), and fix the table spacing issues. All it will take is some patience on our part to let Mr. Sullivan do his thing. I can tell that this is an absolute labor of love for him, and the last thing that he wants to see happen is that for this to die off.

Give him time to fix it people...
 
Daily costs

Fatboy said:
your math is pretty good.:smile: $200 is the real number, assuming you dont eat much or lose:frown:

hope your good man!!
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My total expenses. Arrived Thursday, and left on Monday afternoon. I shared a room with 3 friends, one of them got the room comped and refused my offer to pay him something for staying with them. I got my room on Friday and had 3 other friends stay with me, 2 of the guys stayed on Sat. also. I stayed with the other friends on Sun. night {gave the guy $50}. Take into account I ate in the room, except for that 1 brat on Sun. afternoon, and I spent about $400, including entry and buyback into the bank event. Sharing a room, is the best way of cutting cost. You're not there except a nap and a shower. 2 guys brought an air mattress.
 
satman said:
My total expenses. Arrived Thursday, and left on Monday afternoon. I shared a room with 3 friends, one of them got the room comped and refused my offer to pay him something for staying with them. I got my room on Friday and had 3 other friends stay with me, 2 of the guys stayed on Sat. also. I stayed with the other friends on Sun. night {gave the guy $50}. Take into account I ate in the room, except for that 1 brat on Sun. afternoon, and I spent about $400, including entry and buyback into the bank event. Sharing a room, is the best way of cutting cost. You're not there except a nap and a shower. 2 guys brought an air mattress.
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i blew $13,500 but i'm a stone sucker:cool:
 
Yea, not surprised

Fatboy said:
i blew $13,500 but i'm a stone sucker:cool:
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If I had your money, I'd have probably blown more than that. I would have been in action every day I was there, and probably stayed for the whole thing. I've always been tight about expenses at tournies, but I just ain't had the desire to be in much action the last few years. I'm gettin that feeling that I need to go back out and play tho.
As for that stone cold sucker part, I don't get that impression of you. :smile:
 
satman said:
If I had your money, I'd have probably blown more than that. I would have been in action every day I was there, and probably stayed for the whole thing. I've always been tight about expenses at tournies, but I just ain't had the desire to be in much action the last few years. I'm gettin that feeling that I need to go back out and play tho.
As for that stone cold sucker part, I don't get that impression of you. :smile:
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your insights are good, however i'm not making enough $$ to cover my nut every month so its kinda scary, hopefully in a few more months i will be. Its starting to come around a little-times are brutal. It was fun. thanks and best regards eric:smile:
 
My business has stayed about level

Fatboy said:
your insights are good, however i'm not making enough $$ to cover my nut every month so its kinda scary, hopefully in a few more months i will be. Its starting to come around a little-times are brutal. It was fun. thanks and best regards eric:smile:
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Of course, I'm a small operation, selling Directv and Dishnetwork. People are looking to cut costs on the monthly stuff, and Comcast ain't cuttin it any more.
As more people have financial troubles with the layoffs and such, your business should be back up within the next few months. Main thing is working the numbers to keep things alive til then.
If nothing else, you can always take Jay on the road. :smile: :smile: He's got some experience.
 
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My answers

To Watchez: The ring games are designed to be an all-in format at the end. I have to have the games end within two and a half hours, period. It's not my fault that Harriman finished second.
Fatboy and Roy as regards the call: That was a terrible decision and completely wrong: If your opponent owes a ball, you have to tell him he owes that ball. If he runs eight and forgets to spot up a ball(S) he owes and disturbs the balls, he wins, not you. NOW, it is ok to wait until he runs eight and not play position on a needed ball before you tell him he owes one.
Lastly, I repeat, if I ran the tournament, every match would start on time, no matter if there were 1,000 players. But the Diamond Co. won't help me in any way so I'm not gonna assist them in any manner, certainly not for nothing.
 
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Grady said:
To Watchez: The ring games are designed to be an all-in format at the end. I have to have the games end within two and a half hours, period. It's not my fault that Harriman finished second.
Fatboy and Roy as regards the call: That was a terrible decision and completely wrong: If your opponent owes a ball, you have to tell him he owes that ball. If he runs eight and forgets to spot up a ball(S) he owes and disturbs the balls, he wins, not you. NOW, it is ok to wait until he runs eight and not play position on a needed ball before you tell him he owes one.
Lastly, I repeat, if I ran the tournament, every match would start on time, no matter if there were 1,000 players. But the Diamond Co. won't help me in any way so I'm not gonna assist them in any manner, certainly not for nothing.
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But the thing from Roy, when he first described the error, had me thinking. Since I wasn't there, I wasn't sure what the call should be but. It was said the Brumback walked to the end of the table, looked at the # of balls, and returned to his seat, before they noticed the coin. That should have ended the game. I lost a hill hill 8 ball match on the Mcdermott tour, on a similar deal. Opponent accepted he fouled and I took ball in hand, then he asked for a ruling from the director. I should have never given in, and maybe forfeited out of the tourney, but she gave him Ball in Hand, because I picked up the cueball.
I have to agree that Grady is right here on this ruling.
 
Grady said:
To Watchez: The ring games are designed to be an all-in format at the end. I have to have the games end within two and a half hours, period. It's not my fault that Harriman finished second.
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If you have to have the games end within two and half hours, then I suggest you increase the bet in the early rounds to knock the players bankrolls down faster. Or utilize a 15 second shot clock. Or keep your speech before the ring game starts shorter so there is more time for a few extra games. But getting down to the last two players and then announcing that they are both immediately all in is nothing short of stupidity.
 
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I have a better idea, Watchez. Why don't you run them? That way you can be in complete control of everything.
 
I think I've heard this one before.....
 

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enzo said:
i realize that this event will probably (hopefully) get better over time from learned mistakes.

it may sound quite insignificant, but i have a particular problem while watching my derby dvd's that a guy can get down to shoot a tough match ball hill-hill and somebody will yell out over the loudspeaker about a stupid match or that a player needs to report to the booth or whatever.

just a lot of little things like this we need to get with it. it really would't take that much brain power at all to highly improve in a lot of areas.
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Maybe the cost would be prohibitive in the short term, but it seems like utilizing those pager dealies that some restaurants use would be the way to go eventually.
 
Grady said:
I have a better idea, Watchez. Why don't you run them? That way you can be in complete control of everything.
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THis is funny, sorry watchez but it is funny. I can picture you and Grady in the booth together.:D
 
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Cuebacca said:
Maybe the cost would be prohibitive in the short term, but it seems like utilizing those pager dealies that some restaurants use would be the way to go eventually.
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You'd have people who forgot to turn them in. And some who'd try to sell them. Not very cost effective if the first tourney, you lose about half the devices. Sorry, not much faith in that plan.
 
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