The difference of a cue butt in play

WheatCues said:
I was so impressed at the time this was being explained and shown to me that I forgot to ask technical questions !


- Eddie Wheat
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Wow. Really makes me want a wheat cue. The magical NASA men came to you and delivered the perfect percentages for the ratios of cue part importance and then POOF! they disappeared before you could ask technical questions.

Great bedtime story.:boring2: :boring2: :boring2:

Come on Eddie. Please don't post random "facts" unless you can prove them yourself by showing how the data was collected and tested and how and why that was the conclusion. Otherwise it is useless info.

Thanks
 
fullsplicefiend said:
Wow. Really makes me want a wheat cue. The magical NASA men came to you and delivered the perfect percentages for the ratios of cue part importance and then POOF! they disappeared before you could ask technical questions.

Great bedtime story.:boring2: :boring2: :boring2:

Come on Eddie. Please don't post random "facts" unless you can prove them yourself by showing how the data was collected and tested and how and why that was the conclusion. Otherwise it is useless info.

Thanks
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NO they didn't come to me I was with a mutual friend whos also a pool player and employer out there... And I did NOT have any questions at the time. primarily becasue "unlike you" I was NOT trying to verify the existance of the meeting !

please do not make fun of someone elses efforts.... I got all the info I needed and incorporated it into MY style of cuemaking !!!

I suggest if YOU want to know the EXACT percentage breakdown go spend a bunch of money on testing equipment and figure it out yourself !!!

I was just trying to helpful and share some pertinant info with fellow cuemakers I thought was useful....

No harm meant !

Either it makes sense to you or it doesn't but please don't ridicule someone elses effort to have an engineer team breakdown energy transfer and it's values in a pool cue for the sake of playability and feedback and practical applications... rather than just build a pretty piece of artwork that does NOT help you play any better !

they went out of thier way for me and I'm not going to spite their efforts for doing a very nice deed !

I'm sorry this isn't good enough for you... but it works for ME and MY customer's love it ! and as far as I'm concerned at this point... That's good enough for me !


- Eddie Wheat
 
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WheatCues said:
NO they didn't come to me I was with a mutual friend whos also a pool player and employer out there... And I did NOT have any questions at the time. primarily becasue "unlike you" I was NOT trying to verify the existance of the meeting !

please do not make fun of someone elses efforts.... I got all the info I needed and incorporated it into MY style of cuemaking !!!

I suggest if YOU want to know the EXACT percentage breakdown go spend a bunch of money on testing equipment and figure it out yourself !!!

I was just trying to helpful and share some pertinant info with fellow cuemakers I thought was useful....

No harm meant !

Either it makes sense to you or it doesn't but please don't ridicule someone elses effort to have an engineer team breakdown energy transfer and it's values in a pool cue for the sake of playability and feedback and practical applications... rather than just build a pretty piece of artwork that does NOT help you play any better !

they went out of thier way for me and I'm not going to spite their efforts for doing a very nice deed !

I'm sorry this isn't good enough for you... but it works for ME and MY customer's love it ! and as far as I'm concerned at this point... That's good enough for me !


- Eddie Wheat
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We're not ridiculing THEIR EFFORT.
So, you took what they told you as gist. The mantra.
Now, HOW DID THEY DEFINE HIT?
How in the world do you quantitate hit?
Surely, they told you that.
TELL us how they DEFINED HIT.
 
JoeyInCali said:
We're not ridiculing THEIR EFFORT.
So, you took what they told you as gist. The mantra.
Now, HOW DID THEY DEFINE HIT?
How in the world do you quantitate hit?
Surely, they told you that.
TELL us how they DEFINED HIT.
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Definitions are as follows and are not open for debate :


Hit: the sound in which the cue makes when inital contact with the cueball is made with the tip..

Playability: the reaction of the "hit" and the direct transfer of energy as it dicipates through the shaft torward the butt..

Feedback: the sound and vibration combined feel of the residual energy after making contact with all surfaces from the tip to the moment of reaching your hand...


They tested and answered the exact questions I was asking to begin with... nothing more !!!


I hope this is the info you were looking for becasue this particular line of questioning is boring me !


- Eddie Wheat
 
WheatCues said:
Definitions are as follows and are not open for debate :


Hit: the sound in which the cue makes when inital contact with the cueball is made with the tip..

Playability: the reaction of the "hit" and the direct transfer of energy as it dicipates through the shaft torward the butt..

Feedback: the sound and vibration combined feel of the residual energy after making contact with all surfaces from the tip to the moment of reaching your hand...


They tested and answered the exact questions I was asking to begin with... nothing more !!!


I hope this is the info you were looking for becasue this particular line of questioning is boring me !


- Eddie Wheat
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Thnx.
Let me save this before you patent or license it.
 
They tested and answered the exact questions I was asking to begin with... nothing more !!!
What were the questions?
 
WheatCues said:
oh you're a real comedian !!!!! :D

- Eddie
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Feedback: the sound and vibration combined feel of the residual energy after making contact with all surfaces from the tip to the moment of reaching your hand...
Residual energy?
You sound like Don King.:D
Hit of a cue has absolutely nothing to do with what the cue sounds upon striking the cueball. IF it did, then the loudest one would hit the best.
You cannot quantitate what good or bad sound is. Not even your NASA engineer friends. That means, to me. they have no clue what hit is. The sound is just there.
When players say " this cue hits great", it's an overall impression of a cue that shoots accurately , makes it easy to control the cueball, it feels solid and great feedback to the hands.
But, if you want to equate hit to SOUND of the cue upon hitting the cueball, more power. And how the biggest part of the cue ( 15 to 4 ratio often ) is only 12.7% responsible for that SOUND, is beyond me.
Joey~Has no need for NASA engineers~
 
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WheatCues said:
The butt is the last 12.8% and is comprised of three factors starting with the joint pin then the joint collar and lastly the forearm....
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I have only one question, did .1% get added magicaly, or was the 12.8% a typo?
Just wondering......coulda swore it was 12.7% according to NASA..
BTW what is 'cerrusite', how does it affect hit if used for a ferrule? being a mineral/rock that is? Thanks for the professional advice eddie.....good thing some of the older 'well respected' gentlemen were around to offer REAL sound advice.DA!!
Dave
 
Just like different players that prefer a different hit or feel associated with a certain sound, so do Guitar players when It comes to the type of music they play. It's usually more associated with sound for them I suppose, but there are some parallels associated with the use of wood in both crafts.


Here's a 30minute video I ran across on YT, and although It's about guitar making, I found It to be a good watch, and worth the time to check out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdy_QqH0_gQ&feature=related
 
I got to give Eddie Wheat credit ... Obviously he has devoted a lot of time and money trying to build a high quality pool cue.
If I were looking to buy a new American made one of a kind cue I would certainly consider a Wheat Cue.


I can explain how and where where I got MY numbers!

I pulled them from my A$$ ...:eek:
In other words I was not serious about the subject.

That should explain everything ... :D
 
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JoeyInCali said:
Feedback: the sound and vibration combined feel of the residual energy after making contact with all surfaces from the tip to the moment of reaching your hand...
Residual energy?
You sound like Don King.:D
Hit of a cue has absolutely nothing to do with what the cue sounds upon striking the cueball. IF it did, then the loudest one would hit the best.
You cannot quantitate what good or bad sound is. Not even your NASA engineer friends. That means, to me. they have no clue what hit is. The sound is just there.
When players say " this cue hits great", it's an overall impression of a cue that shoots accurately , makes it easy to control the cueball, it feels solid and great feedback to the hands.
But, if you want to equate hit to SOUND of the cue upon hitting the cueball, more power. And how the biggest part of the cue ( 15 to 4 ratio often ) is only 12.7% responsible for that SOUND, is beyond me.
Joey~Has no need for NASA engineers~
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Joey take it up with NASA not me !!!!

Did you ask the info becasue you were being sincere or did you ask just to find something to pick at me with and start an arguement about ????

Like I said before... this is what I learned from them I did NOT come up with this equation.. I am only utilizing it with my personal experience and working models I have made and used that supports the percentage breakdown !

It's as simple as that !!!

I really thought you were genuine about this or I would have never put myself out there just so you and your buddies could heckle me !!!

If you think the equation is "kaka" then play with one of my custom fitted cues and you WILL change your mind !

I am VERY serious about what I do... and I don't share this kind of info for any other reason than to be helpful !

I use those percentages when I am building a cue for a customer that requires the cue to hit and play according to THEIR specifications and style of play NOT MINE ! and fortunately for me... I use those percentages in EVERY cue I build !

This is just an example of where I take customer service to the next level when investing money in a "tool" !

Have a nice day Joey !:)





- Eddie Wheat
 
Dave38 said:
I have only one question, did .1% get added magicaly, or was the 12.8% a typo?
Just wondering......coulda swore it was 12.7% according to NASA..
BTW what is 'cerrusite', how does it affect hit if used for a ferrule? being a mineral/rock that is? Thanks for the professional advice eddie.....good thing some of the older 'well respected' gentlemen were around to offer REAL sound advice.DA!!
Dave
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It's very possible I made a typo... I never claimed to be perfect !

The Cerrusite is a really nice ferrule and I thought that is what Viking used to use.. I know plastics and composit ferrules are widely used now on the producton level... but as far as the origin or properties of cerrusite.. I am NOT very knowledgeable with that particular ferrule properties....


That's why I said do NOT quote me on that related post !



- Eddie Wheat
 
WheatCues said:
Joey take it up with NASA not me !!!!

Did you ask the info becasue you were being sincere or did you ask just to find something to pick at me with and start an arguement about ????

Like I said before... this is what I learned from them I did NOT come up with this equation.. I am only utilizing it with my personal experience and working models I have made and used that supports the percentage breakdown !

It's as simple as that !!!

I really thought you were genuine about this or I would have never put myself out there just so you and your buddies could heckle me !!!

If you think the equation is "kaka" then play with one of my custom fitted cues and you WILL change your mind !

I am VERY serious about what I do... and I don't share this kind of info for any other reason than to be helpful !

I use those percentages when I am building a cue for a customer that requires the cue to hit and play according to THEIR specifications and style of play NOT MINE ! and fortunately for me... I use those percentages in EVERY cue I build !

This is just an example of where I take customer service to the next level when investing money in a "tool" !

Have a nice day Joey !:)





- Eddie Wheat
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Eddie two people asked how you derived 12.7%.
That figure astounded me as well.
Since half of that 12.7 is the joint, makes that figure even more shocking.
Not starting an argument but I'm almost sure NOBODY here believes your NASA story.
How many NASA and rocket scientist lies have you heard in your life?
I've heard so many, it's laughable.
The equation is kaka.
They tested and answered the exact questions I was asking to begin with... nothing more !!!
Eddie, just quit lying.
Quit already. Quit with the smoke and mirrors. Just deliver cues and let them and your customers do the talking.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Eddie two people asked how you derived 12.7%.
That figure astounded me as well.
Since half of that 12.7 is the joint, makes that figure even more shocking.
Not starting an argument but I'm almost sure NOBODY here believes your NASA story.
How many NASA and rocket scientist lies have you heard in your life?
I've heard so many, it's laughable.
The equation is kaka.
They tested and answered the exact questions I was asking to begin with... nothing more !!!
Eddie, just quit lying.
Quit already. Quit with the smoke and mirrors. Just deliver cues and let them and your customers do the talking.
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~ Good point.. but it's more than half of a 1/3 of the remaing 2/3 divided accordingly... " I thought I mentioned that already"


~ But it really is true !!


~ The equation works !!!


~ And fair enough !!!!





Take care !


- Eddie Wheat
 
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72.1% of all statistics are made up on the spot...and more than 21.7% of them contain the digits 1, 2, or 7.
 
IMHO the butt of the cue is about as important as the shoes of the player. (Both fashion accessories.)

Ahh, wait a second, there are some shoes that could make a player slip, a broom handle butt, of equal weight, on the other hand, would hardly affect the execution skills of a good player.

Colin
 
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