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So last night I was too down to start this. Hopefully I'm over it

My question is:
For most of you how did you, when did you, did "time will tell", get over your emotional road block when competing?

I know some of you struggle with performance issues (lucky theres a pill for that) but really. Brining up your consistency when playing serious matches be it league or tourney, maybe even matching up and digging yourself out of a bad session.

My problem is that I am more concerned about playing well than just winning, being out played is fine with me as long as I played well. I've been working on my game and made great improvements over the past few months but yesterday I found myself down in a straight pool match after trading rack with a better player at the start. Once I found that I wasn't playing "my game" when opportunity was presented I was not able to capitalize on it and thus dug myself deeper into a hole. I know that I have the ability to put up a good fight but once I start to falter I can't seen to turn myself around and this can carry on throughout the rest of the day/night should I try to play someone else after in an attempt to pick myself up.

Did any of you find some way to work on this or were you able to notice when this had improved, oh and the first person to say "well you need to gamble more" is getting karate chopped in the throat cause there is no scientific evidence to back that up.
 
Yes, learn your fundamentals inside and out. When you do that, you will have much more consistency. Only then can you gauge your game accurately. It will eliminate or almost eliminate those up and down periods.

When you intimately know your fundamentals, you will also know immediately what you did wrong, and exactly what to correct and how to correct it.
 
Yes, learn your fundamentals inside and out. When you do that, you will have much more consistency. Only then can you gauge your game accurately. It will eliminate or almost eliminate those up and down periods.

When you intimately know your fundamentals, you will also know immediately what you did wrong, and exactly what to correct and how to correct it.

Fundamentals aren't the reason you fold under pressure. Inexperience is the reason. Once you play enough high pressure matches you will eventually prove to yourself that you can win regardless of the circumstance. Once you know what you're capable of you will believe in yourself and that's all it takes.

A little self confidence goes a long way. Whether you gamble or not you need to stick yourself in high pressure situations and learn to pull through. Good luck!
 
My first time at playing a big Tournament in 2001, after returning to Pool in 1999, I had read a lot of books & one thing got my attention. So I wrote that phrase in the palm of my hand, so I would see it every time I chalked my cue. 71 matches later, I won the prize.

"One shot at a time"... yep that's it, but in reality that's all anyone can do. Living in the moment, rather than worrying about the entire event or a shot you missed 10 minutes ago, will get it done.

Another example could be this. You can't build a house in one day. Concentrating on each task will insure the house gets built & built well.
 
Fundamentals aren't the reason you fold under pressure. Inexperience is the reason. Once you play enough high pressure matches you will eventually prove to yourself that you can win regardless of the circumstance. Once you know what you're capable of you will believe in yourself and that's all it takes.

A little self confidence goes a long way. Whether you gamble or not you need to stick yourself in high pressure situations and learn to pull through. Good luck!

Fundamentals ARE the reason and inexperience as well. Because you have to be able to cover all the basic such as - breathing, aiming, stroking, and etc. These are what I am considering basic fundamentals.
 
Fundamentals aren't the reason you fold under pressure. Inexperience is the reason. Once you play enough high pressure matches you will eventually prove to yourself that you can win regardless of the circumstance. Once you know what you're capable of you will believe in yourself and that's all it takes.

A little self confidence goes a long way. Whether you gamble or not you need to stick yourself in high pressure situations and learn to pull through. Good luck!

Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong.
 
Well.. it's both simple and difficult at the same time...

So last night I was too down to start this. Hopefully I'm over it

My question is:
For most of you how did you, when did you, did "time will tell", get over your emotional road block when competing?

I know some of you struggle with performance issues (lucky theres a pill for that) but really. Brining up your consistency when playing serious matches be it league or tourney, maybe even matching up and digging yourself out of a bad session.

My problem is that I am more concerned about playing well than just winning, being out played is fine with me as long as I played well. I've been working on my game and made great improvements over the past few months but yesterday I found myself down in a straight pool match after trading rack with a better player at the start. Once I found that I wasn't playing "my game" when opportunity was presented I was not able to capitalize on it and thus dug myself deeper into a hole. I know that I have the ability to put up a good fight but once I start to falter I can't seen to turn myself around and this can carry on throughout the rest of the day/night should I try to play someone else after in an attempt to pick myself up.

Did any of you find some way to work on this or were you able to notice when this had improved, oh and the first person to say "well you need to gamble more" is getting karate chopped in the throat cause there is no scientific evidence to back that up.

When you compete and you don't play as well as you're capable of playing, it's because you're doing something different. It's really that simple. You are in a different mindset than you are used to and you are doing some things differently.

I had the same problem for several years and then while practicing regularly with Shawn Putnam and Donny Mills I figured it out.

Now, figuring out/knowing what you're doing differently and fixing it are two different things, but the first trick is to figure out what you do differently when competing when you are missing or not playing the same as you do in practice or otherwise.

For me, it was looking up, not jumping up and not looking up far, maybe just a half a ball above the object ball as I pulled the trigger.

It was like closing your eyes while pulling the trigger when shooting a gun. You might still hit your target, but you're less likely to.

Figure out what you do differently when you miss while competing compared to when you aren't competing and incorporate some focal point into your preshot and shot routine to avoid doing it.

Jaden
 
Yes, learn your fundamentals inside and out. When you do that, you will have much more consistency. Only then can you gauge your game accurately. It will eliminate or almost eliminate those up and down periods.

When you intimately know your fundamentals, you will also know immediately what you did wrong, and exactly what to correct and how to correct it.

I have to agree. Total muscle memory is a huge first step. That's why we hear the HAMB system talked about lol. However, I think you have been playing for quite a while so that may not be an issue at all.

Now for the hippy bullshit. Meditate. It doesn't have to be zen baptist Buddhist or anything but practicing a type of positive medication or specifically, "mindfulness" is really helpful. Being able to close your eyes for 10 seconds to refocus and calm down or pump yourself up is important. This goes with general confidence and trust in yourself. I have noticed two things, self conscious guys who do terrible with women and cocky assholes tend to both dog it when there is pressure. That doesn't mean there aren't cocky pros and sheepish pros though. Watch some of john Schmidts old US Open matches, he shook more than Michael j fox standing one legged on a washing machine. The man ran 400 in straight pool but had "no confidence" during the US Open. So confidence with a respect for the variables of the game is the goal in my opinion. If you imbue confidence in yourself rather than put expectations on yourself, you won't add extra pressure.

Having a "trigger" is also really good. What I mean by trigger is something that you do that allows you to turn the warrior on when you are playing and off when you are done, this REALLY helps during tournaments to conserve mental energy. Charlie Bryant (Hillbilly) told me once that he almost never lets his opponent flip the coin. For him that action and the sound of the coin hitting the table mean go time. So find yours. Golfers have something similar in their pre-shot routine.

Coping mechanisms are important too. Ever see a pro look out away from the table? It usually happens when they mess up or need to refocus. If you are in a bar with lots of signs in it, read a few at random. If there aren't any signs look at a few random objects in the room. If you find yourself saying negative things or thinking negative things tell yourself to stfu and smile. Think about the best and most important things in your life.

All of the above take practice so be patient.
 
Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong.

If a singer is singing perfect in rehearsal and then goes out on stage and freezes up is it because she doesn't have the proper singing fundamentals or is it because she is inexperienced at singing in front of audiences and she is getting stage fright?

Regardless of whether or not you have the best fundamentals you should play the same in practice as you do in competition.
 
Playing well in tournaments comes with experience. Lyon need to play in them a bunch of times before you start to see results. Be patient and keep testing yourself by entering them. You will eventually see yourself able to play your best in them (sometimes at least). Even then, it's still a fickle thing.
 
You're both right.
Neil: I am a firm believer in what you're saying and a firm believer in practice, as I've mentioned before the past few months have thought me a lot. One of those things is what's going wrong or what I'm doing wrong as far as fundaments. I'm working on that.

Ktrepal85: I agree with your last statement but that a big problem for me. See I don't get to play much, the times I do the competition is sub par and I can do no wrong when I play them, even if I have a bad game i''m usually able to pick myself up next turn at the table or next rack or two. I found a great sparing partner who I totally downed the first time we truly met and played, since then i've not been able to duplicate that game which he came to like and what made us friends. I cam close the other day as we went head to head for 10 racks with no game lasting more than 2 turns then I fell apart, last night after my 14.1 match (which again I went toe to toe with a much better player before the wheels fell off) he came out just so that we could play a quick set, I lost 7-0.

I am somewhat humble enough to know that I have flaws and weaknesses but also know that I have a decent ability and should not be missing the shot that i miss and most importantly the way that I miss them. I just really can't help but feel that this is the only part of my game that is not seeing any improvement and that just adds fuel to the fire.
 
If a singer is singing perfect in rehearsal and then goes out on stage and freezes up is it because she doesn't have the proper singing fundamentals or is it because she is inexperienced at singing in front of audiences and she is getting stage fright?

Regardless of whether or not you have the best fundamentals you should play the same in practice as you do in competition.

If you don't now how to sing consistently then you are ****ed.
 
You're both right.
Neil: I am a firm believer in what you're saying and a firm believer in practice, as I've mentioned before the past few months have thought me a lot. One of those things is what's going wrong or what I'm doing wrong as far as fundaments. I'm working on that.

Ktrepal85: I agree with your last statement but that a big problem for me. See I don't get to play much, the times I do the competition is sub par and I can do no wrong when I play them, even if I have a bad game i''m usually able to pick myself up next turn at the table or next rack or two. I found a great sparing partner who I totally downed the first time we truly met and played, since then i've not been able to duplicate that game which he came to like and what made us friends. I cam close the other day as we went head to head for 10 racks with no game lasting more than 2 turns then I fell apart, last night after my 14.1 match (which again I went toe to toe with a much better player before the wheels fell off) he came out just so that we could play a quick set, I lost 7-0.

I am somewhat humble enough to know that I have flaws and weaknesses but also know that I have a decent ability and should not be missing the shot that i miss and most importantly the way that I miss them. I just really can't help but feel that this is the only part of my game that is not seeing any improvement and that just adds fuel to the fire.

If you don't get to play often then quality of practice is your only hope!
 
If a singer is singing perfect in rehearsal and then goes out on stage and freezes up is it because she doesn't have the proper singing fundamentals or is it because she is inexperienced at singing in front of audiences and she is getting stage fright?

Regardless of whether or not you have the best fundamentals you should play the same in practice as you do in competition.

In other words, you really don't understand what fundamentals really are. If you did, you wouldn't have made that last statement. (the statement itself is very true, but you don't seem to understand why)
 
In other words, you really don't understand what fundamentals really are. If you did, you wouldn't have made that last statement. (the statement itself is very true, but you don't seem to understand why)

Yep, you're right. I am a complete retard who doesn't understand what fundamentals are. Thanks for pointing that out!
 
WOW, this is going far better than I expected, thanks guys.
Drop The Rock I like your reference to Smith (and someone mentioned playing like I practice) cause i feel like I have that problem, I'm no 400 ball runner though, lol.

I've been called the King of Practice, one is because I can practice for hour with no problem but the other (the bad one) is because during practice I can do no wrong "almost" and some people look at me and automatically rate me as being a better player than I am. This is nice but I dislike it more than I like it, because although i'm not some cocky ***** it does get to me and make me believe that i'm better than I am, so when i play and don't do well i say to my self "i'm better than this" based on how others have rated me.
 
You're both right.
Neil: I am a firm believer in what you're saying and a firm believer in practice, as I've mentioned before the past few months have thought me a lot. One of those things is what's going wrong or what I'm doing wrong as far as fundaments. I'm working on that.

Ktrepal85: I agree with your last statement but that a big problem for me. See I don't get to play much, the times I do the competition is sub par and I can do no wrong when I play them, even if I have a bad game i''m usually able to pick myself up next turn at the table or next rack or two. I found a great sparing partner who I totally downed the first time we truly met and played, since then i've not been able to duplicate that game which he came to like and what made us friends. I cam close the other day as we went head to head for 10 racks with no game lasting more than 2 turns then I fell apart, last night after my 14.1 match (which again I went toe to toe with a much better player before the wheels fell off) he came out just so that we could play a quick set, I lost 7-0.

I am somewhat humble enough to know that I have flaws and weaknesses but also know that I have a decent ability and should not be missing the shot that i miss and most importantly the way that I miss them. I just really can't help but feel that this is the only part of my game that is not seeing any improvement and that just adds fuel to the fire.

This will be long. To understand better, let's use extremes for the example. If you had a robot shoot pool, it should play flawlessly. Given that, what is it that makes it play flawlessly? It's programming does that. It is programmed to follow a set of steps to complete the shot each and every time, and each and every time, it follows those steps to the letter. Hence, perfection. The robot has no emotion, it only follows the steps it's supposed to follow.

Now, that is the optimal play. However, we are not robots, we are people. But, we also have "programming". It is when we have faulty programming, or don't follow our programming, that we fail. Our programming is what we call our fundamentals. The steps we go through on each and every shot.

Fundamentals can be broken down into minute parts. And should be broken down into minute parts when learning them. By knowing them intimately, we can then more easily determine what part went wrong when we fail on a shot. For a quick example, I miss. I feel that my thumb was not in the usual position on that shot. That means that I had a slight twist to my stroke (steering), and consequently did not hit the cb where I intended to. That also then means that I did not send the cb down the desired shot line, hence the miss. Knowing that, I only need to be aware to put my thumb in the correct place on the next shot to alleviate that problem.

Now, this does not mean that on each and every shot, I am consciously going down a checklist a mile long. No, in practice, I have done that, and thereby taught my subconscious how to perform the shot correctly. In play, I allow my subconscious to take over and shoot the shot. Exactly like I allow my subconscious to take over my legs when I decide to walk.

But, when you are intimately aware of what your fundamentals are, then you usually easily pick up what went wrong immediately. Part of those fundamentals are your mind set. Your focus. Fundamentals are not just all mechanical, but also mental.

If you are playing a supposedly high pressure match, and you are focusing on the pressure, your fundamentals on the mental side are off. You are not then focusing correclty on the shot, and what needs to be done to successfully make it, but are instead focusing on the final outcome of the entire match and the consequences of not winning it.

The being out of correct focus, one should recognize immediately as not part of their programming, or fundamentals, and immediately stand up, and then tell yourself to get back on your proper "programming" or fundamentals, and then allow your subconscious to again take over.

Now, being human, we will not have flawless programming. There will be glitches there. And, sometimes we will notice those glitches because we then miss the shot. Often, we will not notice those glitches, because the shot just happened to go in the pocket anyways. We often tend to dismiss the glitches when the final outcome seems acceptable.

The best players are finely in tune with those glitches, and notice them all. They are observant to a very high degree. And, when a glitch comes up, and something was just a little off, say the ball went into the pocket, but the wrong side of the pocket, they don't just dismiss it, but their conscious mind tells their subconscious that the shot was actually not successful, and then the subconscious can make then necessary fine tuning adjustments to correct the problem before it becomes so serious that a miss is made.

When we miss an easy shot, it is most often because we got sloppy on our fundamentals. We look at the shot, and our conscious says, this shot is easy, can't miss this one. That tells our subconscious that this shot is different. It doesn't have to follow the old programming, but now has new programming. Problem is, it's not exactly sure just what that new programming even is, so it just makes it up using some of the old programming. (edit to this part: That is when you see things start to cascade downward. Now your subconscious is only following the new program it just made up)

Most of the time, that works. But some of the time, it doesn't, and an easily makeable shot is now missed. We then get flustered and basically tell our subconscious that something is wrong with our programming, and it needs to fix it. That is where we go wrong. We don't tell it which program is wrong, and it can't decide on it's own, so it changes the first program. When all along, we should have stayed with the original program and changed it.

That probably sounds confusing. I'll try and explain again. It means that we never change our programming by telling ourselves it's an easy shot. Instead, we just tell ourselves, it's another shot. And take the same steps on it that we do on each and every shot.

The same goes for the game winning shot, the sell-out shot if missed, the very first shot of the game. They are all just shots, and we have to treat them all the very same. It's when we change our fundamentals by adding or subtracting things, such as pressure, must do, easy, hard, ect., that we fail.

Once at the table, there is no room for emotion in the game. It only changes our programming, and how we execute our proper fundamentals. Emotion is fine in between shots, or after the game, not during a shot. During a shot, it should be strictly following the fundamentals as we know them. (to improve, one must be constantly adding things to fine tune our fundamentals, that includes knowledge of what has to happen when we do certain things)

Fundamentals can be broken down into two parts, the physical, and the mental. Without both, one does not have proper fundamentals.

Hopefully, that all was clear enough to understand.
 
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Yep, you're right. I am a complete retard who doesn't understand what fundamentals are. Thanks for pointing that out!

I did not say that, you did. Just because you don't know something, does not make you retarded or even stupid. It only makes one ignorant (meaning not knowing) of the facts. It's when one refuses to learn that one becomes stupid, or given the facts, refuses to acknowledge them.
 
I play well enough to run a rack of 10 or 9 ball every time I step to the table.
It doesn't matter if Efren Reyes or Joe Banger is my opponent.
They can't win if they are sitting in the chair.
Play the table not the opponent.
 
it never mattered to me how much I practised there were always times when I had "stage fright". I'm not talking just about pool beause I'm only a C+ and not a tourney player,... only league. I've been a trumpet player since I was 7 years old, now 72, and was pro at 13 but many's the time I've been doing a solo and the lips started to quivver. No lack of fundamentls and no shortage of practise for sure. High pressure was the worst....playing taps at a ceremony or a concert in front of a symphony. It was most apparent when I played in front of my peers.
I've heard of many top actors or speakers who are so nervous before a performance that they puke before the curtain goes up.
The nerves can get in the way without warning to everyone I believe no matter how much preparation is done.
I just had a thought....try pretending that your opponent is naked....that'll certainly take your mind off your pool performance issues. Might be either a man or a woman....I'm not going to get into sexual identity issues. Mitch
 
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