The Good Old Days, Part 2

Bob Callahan

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There's been lots of discussion about sanitizing pool--but to make it more popular with the viewing public, which loves reality shows, topix, televised poker, wrestlemania, and the like--maybe we should do the opposite.

Looking back at a time when America loved pool:

They call themselves things like New York Fats, Meanie Beanie from Baltimore, Cornbread Red, the Eagle, the Hawk, Bay Eye, Tugboat Whaley, Cowboy Weston, Wimpy, Mexican Eddie, Bignose Roberts and Rotation Slim. They hate to give out their real names, and they loathe publicity. They live in a subterranean world of stealth and anonymity, shadows and half-tones, tricks and deceptions. They are pool hustlers, and the aim of their calling, as one of them put it recently, is "to lift people up by their pockets."

It is fundamental in the pool-hustling trade to go to the men's room when somebody pulls out a camera. "If people find out my name and what I look like," says a hustler, "I won't be able to get no more action." The hustler usually poses as just another amateur player doing the best he can. He stooges from one town to another, hustling the locals into games for larger and larger stakes, then blows town fast as soon as he has made his killing, not to return until his name and his face and his stroke are forgotten and the whole routine can be repeated, maybe three or four years later, with a new set of suckers.

From: "The Pool Hustlers" (SI, 1961)
 
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There's been lots of discussion about cleaning up pool to make it palatable--but to make it more popular with the viewing public, which loves reality shows, topix, televised poker, wrestlemania, and the like--maybe we should do the opposite.

Looking back at a time when America loved pool:

Doing the opposite would be nonsensical. Yes, the action scene was vibrant back then, but action matches played with little fanfare did little to make pool popular with the general public. Action as it existed then can never exist again, because the internet quickly identifies anyone who make a score against a good player anywhere. In fact, such players are typically phtographed by a cell phone carrier and then their appearance becomes common knowledge.

Outside of Minnesota Fats, the hustlers of that era toiled in nearly complete obscurity. Yes, they liked it that way, but those weren't the good old days for those who followed pro pool.

Know doubt, a reality type show with pool is not to be ruled out, but to suggest that players like the hustlers of the 1960's would make it sell is, in my opinion, incorrect. I'd use amateurs with an attitude and half of them would be women.
 
He sure got plenty of attention:

"Hustlers' Holiday In The Lions' Den" (SI, 1961)

Who is today's Fats?

The point I hope to make, is that for the viewing public, the way pool is presented today is boring, unless you are a serious aficionado.

I agree 100 percent. Today's emotionless robotic tournament soldiers are not attractive to mainstream Americans. What sponsor would want to put money into pool with this kind of show?

Sure, there's a faction of pool purists who do believe that men wearing tuxedos playing mum pool in a quiet church-like setting is how the game should be played. There's also a faction who believe quite the opposite and would welcome a Minnesota Fats in the 21st century.

The conflict of these two visions is one reason why pool has one tire stuck in the mud in the States. If pool's own culture can't come to any agreement on the vision of what pool should really be all about, how can it attract any new interest? Therein likes the problem.
 
If pool's own culture can't come to any agreement on the vision of what pool should really be all about, how can it attract any new interest? Therein likes the problem.

If I were your teacher, I'd give you an A+ for this remark.
 
What would really do it is good old fashioned rivalry. Create a process by which a 'team' of players is established in each major city, just like NFL, MLB or NBA. Once you have a city's 'namesake' on the line too, everyone gets in the spirit and wants to see them win.

This would also create a "career ladder" for amateurs and pros alike, and something more to be proud of than just a few bucks in the pocket and a trophy.
 
I agree 100 percent. Today's emotionless robotic tournament soldiers are not attractive to mainstream Americans. What sponsor would want to put money into pool with this kind of show?

The rest of the world seems to do fine with that vision and there are sponsors for them. Maybe the problem isn't the rest of the world. I can see drunken loudmouths blast shots into pockets on any given league night. I expect better out of a professional who's intention it is to make a living out of the sport.
 
The rest of the world seems to do fine with that vision and there are sponsors for them. Maybe the problem isn't the rest of the world. I can see drunken loudmouths blast shots into pockets on any given league night. I expect better out of a professional who's intention it is to make a living out of the sport.

With all due respect, Mr. Ghosst, define "rest of the world," just for clarification. It might be that I live on Mars. :grin-square:
 
In order to draw attention to our sport, it needs a rivalry. In order to have a rivalry, there has to be pressure and stakes. I believe TAR has got it right, put players competing for enough money, preferably their own, and people will watch. Once you get their attention, hopefully they will become interested in the game itself.
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With all due respect, Mr. Ghosst, define "rest of the world," just for clarification. It might be that I live on Mars. :grin-square:

Everywhere they don't fly the Stars and Stripes would be a guess.

PS: Girls are from Venus, silly. Men rule Mars.
 
Everywhere they don't fly the Stars and Stripes would be a guess.

PS: Girls are from Venus, silly. Men rule Mars.

LOL! :grin-angelic:

Just started a pool poll on action versus tournament. Which is your preference?
 
So.....based on my first post, here are a few things that would liven up pool for the general viewer we'd like to attract: flamboyant players, lots of cash on display--real cash, not checks, players yelling at each other--possibly with some audience participation, sore losers, loud breaks, less or NO safety play, commentators who are excited, more women players, shorter, easier to understand games--like maybe 6-ball, but bank the 6, wild shots--think Venom or Corey's wild draw shot, expressed rivalry--real or not....

What else can you think of?
 
So.....based on my first post, here are a few things that would liven up pool for the general viewer we'd like to attract: flamboyant players, lots of cash on display--real cash, not checks, players yelling at each other--possibly with some audience participation, sore losers, loud breaks, less or NO safety play, commentators who are excited, more women players, shorter, easier to understand games--like maybe 6-ball, but bank the 6, wild shots--think Venom or Corey's wild draw shot, expressed rivalry--real or not....

What else can you think of?

What's not to understand about 8 ball, 9 ball, and 10 ball? I mean, seriously, children play them.
Players yell at each other already. It makes the matches take longer.
You can't enforce a "no safeties" rule. It just leads to more arguments that detract from the game. Picture an NFL game with a flag on every other play. Boring and frustrating and six hours long.

Commentators who are excited, sure, that one might help. Golf commentators are quietly excited, though, and knowledgeable. Maybe we should get some golf commentators into pool. They've already got that handled.

I don't want to attract the viewer who goes to a pool tournament waiting for a fight to break out. It's pool, not hockey. I want to attract the viewer who thinks it's cool when the white ball hits the pink ball into the green ball, and the green ball goes in the hole. Seriously, that's the mentality I'm looking for in a new pool fan. Anybody older than 7 already knows how they feel about the game.
 
Oh my! Don't confuse what I'm saying with what I want. I want pool to be more like chess. But I'm not the typical American viewer, either.
 
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