the hit of a balabushka, scruggs, szamboti, etc.
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Cornerman said:
how do you know various ss joints hit different, and not because it has a different shaft taper, tip, etc. does anyone have several of these cues by the same maker, one with a ss joint and one that has a ivory or wood joint that can verify whether or not they have the same feedback.
you say tim replaced a cracked ivory joint with a ss, and it hit the same earlier in this thread. wow this is an excellent discovery, and since it was the same exact cue the results speak for themselves. it is truly a scientific breakthrough, everyone. a ss joint and a cracked ivory joint hit exactly the same.
seriously though, i don't think you will get a custom maker to admit that his cues don't all hit the same. if they said that, it would be admitting they are inconsistent.
blueballs said:you say tim replaced a cracked ivory joint with a ss, and it hit the same earlier in this thread. wow this is an excellent discovery, and since it was the same exact cue the results speak for themselves. it is truly a scientific breakthrough, everyone. a ss joint and a cracked ivory joint hit exactly the same.
I really thought you wanted to get information. Apparently, you have your mind set and can't understand what I'm saying.
Have a nice day.
Fred
Cornerman said:
yeah, that is why i started this thread.
ok then, how can steel transmit wibration the way wood, phenolic, or ivory do? a cue is very much like a musical instrument, according to Joel Hercek. i agree, it is all about the resonance of the material. how come a stradivarius violin is made of wood? it just kind of sounds like you are saying that if built right, a steel violin or one with many steel components in places detrimental to the performance would be just as good.
youve posted about 10 times and said virtually nothing other than they build them to tighter tolerances. regardless of how tight the tolerances are on a ss joint, how can it get the same feedback as a cue with a wood, ivory or phenolic jointed cue made by the same guy?
I think I answered this. If only steel is contacting the wood or phenolic, then the energy transmittance will be through the steel. However, if you make a joint that has significant wood/wood intimate contact, then the transmittance of energy is significantly through the wood. This is what Tim Scruggs discovered.blueballs said:
I never once implied or hinted at this, but I could see how you were reading it no matter what I wrote.
I wrote something about tight tolerances? What in the world are you reading?
I've wrote that the feel of the energy transmittance is based on the intimate contact of the wood. In Layani's case, it's intimate contact of phenolic on phenolic. In Schuler's case, it's his radial compression pilot fitting. In Lambros' case, it's his axial compression Ultra Joint. All address as much intimate contact as possible.
If a cuemaker can make a steel joint, but have the energy transmittance not be dependent on the steel joint, then he will have a cue whose joint doesn't ping like steel.
That's it. Very simple. That's why Schon and Scruggs (two cuemakers you put in your thread) do NOT have hits that are like other SS joints, a joint that YOU generalized as crappy hitting.
YOU were stating "lots of people think schons are very good hitting cues, but they all have piloted stainless joints. stainless is crap imo.." Well... I'm tellling you the obvious answer to your implied question. I thought you truly wanted to know. But, by your reading things that I didn't write, apparently not.
Fred
Cornerman said:
dude, you are insane.
you are saying that tim scruggs found the secret to ss joints, wow he found out wood hits better than steel, it was wood all along. that thin ss band like on your schuler doesnt qualify as a ss joint, imo. it is 99% w/w contact, look at it. you were right all along, stainless joints hit awesome, as long as it is 99.999999999 percent wood. i had no idea. thanks for your insight. that is absolutely not what i have been trying to say all along
blueballs said:dude, you are insane.
you are saying that tim scruggs found the secret to ss joints, wow he found out wood hits better than steel, it was wood all along. that thin ss band like on your schuler doesnt qualify as a ss joint, imo. it is 99% w/w contact, look at it. you were right all along, stainless joints hit awesome, as long as it is 99.999999999 percent wood. i had no idea. thanks for your insight. that is absolutely not what i have been trying to say all along
Just admit you were wrong about the Schon and Scruggs and be done with it. Or can you not read your own posts? Probably not. I responded directly to your post and what you wrote in your post. What you wrote about Schon cues. If you can't understand what you wrote and how my post directly addresses your post, then you can stop bothering to read my posts. I hope my posts helped those that can understand the written word. It's lack of reading specialists like you that bring the board down.
This is what you wrote:
blueballs said:
You have the gall to call me names, when you can't even understand your own questions. I answered exactly your question. "Stainless at the joint" you said. Christ, I thought you were looking for information. But information means nothing to those that can't comprehend.
Fred
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I think having a thick phenolic collar under the ss collar softens it.runscott said:
Cornerman said:
This brings up an interesting point on feel and one that is hard to quantify. Sound may have a lot to do with what we describe as feel. Something I read recently about golf club development talked about this. A club engineer was talking about how differences in sound might be perceived as a difference in feel. Also remember reading Ben Hogan refusing to wear a stocking cap in cold weather because he didn't want the sound of hitting the ball altered by covering his ears. I was thinking of this last weekend when they did the profile of kevin Hall the deaf golfer who is trying to make it on tour. I started thinking how much he really has battled if indeed sound is part of the feel. of course, sound is not the only component of feel and feedback. All kinds of things go into it. But I think we may sometimes neglect the effect of sound on the whole thing. Might be interesting to try to block out the sound of hitting the ball with ear muffs or somethign and try to see how much harder it is to play/get feedback. I was trying to think of a great deaf player in a sport like golf or pool, and I can't think of any. I am sure there have been players and you would think these activities would be available to deaf people. Maybe I just don't know of any, but has there been a deaf pool player at the top levels of the sport?
FWIW Cornerman, I have both a scruggs and a schuler. Prefer the scruggs.
JPB said:
If the person had been deaf since birth then this wouldn't matter. It's the removal of feedback from a sense, that had been present, that changes the feel. A deaf person would only be able to evaluate feel with the senses he has.
Since other senses tend to get more sensitive when one is absent, I would imagine that it wouldn't bother them much at all.
zeeder said:
So why haven't there been any? Deaf people play pool and golf, none have yet risen to the top that I know of. If there are examples to the contrary I'd like to know. This Kevin Hall kid is playing very good golf but hasn't yet earned a card on the nationwide or big tour. I guess correlation isn't causation, but you would think there would be some examples. Sure, I think the problem could be overcome, but I think it might be harder than we might think at first.
Also, it might be easier for a person who loses hearing rather than being born deaf. Seems counter intuitive, but think of beethoven playing the piano and writing symphonies. He could play and he could imagine the music. He couldn't have if he were born deaf. Not the same thing, I know, but it might not be so simple. I dunno. I hope to learn more about it.
JPB said:
I see where you're coming from, but you would have to look at how many deaf people play pool and golf and, of those that play, how many really committ themselves to become the best they can be. My previous comments are of course conjecture derived from my opinions and experiences. Using the one guy who is trying to make it on the PGA Tour isn't a fair comparison because how many thousands of other people are trying to make it? Also, I'm sure that there are challenges to learning a sport if you are without any of your senses.
The difference between pool and music, regarding your Beethoven comment, is that there aren't any auditory concepts that would appear to be integral to pool, or golf, but there are many that are integral to the creation of music! That being said, Beethoven was obviously sensitive enough to the vibrations of the sound waves where he could translate them to a "sound" in his mind. Like I said before this is all essentially conjecture based on my own thoughts and experiences and I could be completely wrong.
there are specific things that cue makers do to a cue to add to the playabability of the cue. such as,,,,,,,,,,,,oops Barry asked me not to tell
got two Barrys and they play super good
got two Barrys and they play super good