The Hustler

ChicagoRJ said:
OK Guys. The character in the movie is NOT named Minnesota Fats, never referenced once as Minnesota Fats, and the author of the novel advised he never heard of Minnesota Fats, and was named after a character I believe was known as New York Fats. Mr. Wanderone (M/Fats) took the name and used the movie to further establish himself, but that is what he did best. He was a great self promoter and he saw an opportunity and ran with it. One of the many reasons he will be inducted into the One Pocket Hall of Fame this year at DCC.
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"You shoot a good stick.

Thanks.

Gee, you shoot straight pool, mister?

Now and then. You know how it is.

You're Minnesota Fats, aren't you? They say Minnesota Fats is the best where I come from.

Is that a fact?

They say old Fats just shoots the eyes right off them balls."

http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/h/hustler-script-transcript-paul-newman.html

Google is your friend.
 
Fastolfe said:
I always thought it was a story about addiction. Eddy is addicted to the adrenaline rush of playing big-time and sacrifices his love to his vice. It could be pool, poker or any other addictive game.

Funny how a good, subtle movie such as the Hustler gives everyone what they want to find in it.

Speaking of good pool movies, I'd like to recommend this one: The Shooting Gallery. It's the sort of movie that kinda looks crappy the first time you watch it, but when you watch it a second time, you see the subleties in the plot, pay attention to the great soundtrack and the strange ambiance of the film. A really good, underrated flick!
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I agree with you that the movie "The Hustler" is about addictions and overcoming them.

I disagree about the movie shooting gallery being a good movie though! There were so many technical mistakes in the movie it didn't make sense. Why did they break one pocket like straight pool? There is one shot where the cue ball is pushed so badly it almost beats the object ball to the pocket! A great player would have five balls directly in front of their pocket and after the first shot wouldn't get position on any of them.
 
javi2 said:
Fats told him to get it at Johnny's because that was where his backer was at.............it was his way of getting the word to him.............:cool:
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Exactly what I was thinking.

Precher goes to Johnny's and tells Bert Gordon (George C. Scott) that Fats is playing a freewheeler for a buck a game.

He then tells Bert that Fats ordered his "White Taveran whiskey"..... (An apple juice type blend in a whiskey bottle)....

The roadie, falling for Fats usual hustle, had ordered a bottle of J.T.S Brown straight bourbon.

Bert (Fats stakehorse) leaves the card game to check out the action.

The more they play, the drunker Eddie gets. Fats is sober 'til the end.

It's a movie, but it's FATS HUSTLE. Everyone watching the movie thinks they're both on the sauce. (Eddie too) That's why it's a good hustle.

:cool:
 
This is the part, in the movie, that kind of contradicts most of the reality of the story. At the time all the drinking was going on, Eddie was doing the main share of the shooting. How did he manage to get so drunk? Of course, if Eddie won, how do you tell the rest of the story? You can't.

Once in a while, things need to be stretched, to tell a good story.

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Ken_4fun said:
Actually he was speaking of the movie.

It actually wasnt a novel first, it was a short story that appeared in Playboy 1957. I have several copies, and it makes a great art work display in gameroom.

Dont mess with an old fanatic...:rolleyes:

Ken
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If I ever get a personal game room, be on the look out for a bribe. :grin:

JoeyA
 
There are some good hustles in that movie but the biggest hustle ever didn't occur in a pool room. It was Bill Gates acquiring DOS and selling, or more accurately leasing it to IBM.
 
Cornerman said:
You sir are a bit confused.

The character in the movie was most certainly named Minnesota Fats.

Rudolf Wanderone (also known as Triple Smart Fats, New York Fats, or just Fats) took the name Minnesota Fats because he wanted to promote himself as the inspiration for the movie.

Though the author Walter Tevis denied ever knowing or meeting Wanderone, I for one believe that Wanderone was at least one of the inspirations for Minnesota Fats. Maybe not in character but just from the idea of a large high profile pool player.

Fred
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MY BAD ! Yes, I stand corrected. I was working off memory and was wrong. The character was indeed MN Fats, its just Wanderone was not known as Minnesota until after the movie and he adopted the name. I'm not sure Wanderone was a high profile player when the book came out... and i'm sure there was more than one fat guy that shoot some good stick in New York. The author did not know of him and created a character that resembled Wanderone, but probably a few other guys as well.
Thanks for the correction...
 
TheMarsMan said:
I disagree about the movie shooting gallery being a good movie though! There were so many technical mistakes in the movie it didn't make sense.
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Oh yes sorry, I didn't mean to say it's a movie with good pool in it, but a good movie with pool in it. It certainly isn't even remotely correct game-wise, and it's probably quite rough on the edges as a movie too, but I like how it turns out overall. Not as Oscar winner, but a good movie nonetheless.
 
alstl said:
There are some good hustles in that movie but the biggest hustle ever didn't occur in a pool room. It was Bill Gates acquiring DOS and selling, or more accurately leasing it to IBM.
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According to the movie Pirates of Silicon Valley, he licensed it to IBM before he owned it. He paid the man who created it $50,000 for the rights to use it after making a million dollar deal with IBM.

Not sure how much of that is historically accurate, but if it is that is a pretty sweet move.
 
Fats was a big load, and Felson weighed maybe a buck sixty- if they drank the same amount (and they were both experienced drinkers, which it seemed they were), it would have a bigger effect on the smaller guy.

BYW- it's a great book, and it's pretty different from the movie- I recommend it.
 
gobrian77 said:
Fats was a big load, and Felson weighed maybe a buck sixty- if they drank the same amount (and they were both experienced drinkers, which it seemed they were), it would have a bigger effect on the smaller guy.

BYW- it's a great book, and it's pretty different from the movie- I recommend it.
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from my "limited" knowledge...

the more experienced drinker gets drunk faster... size is irrelevant..

liver function however is very relevant..

the more you drink and the more often you drink the liver becomes less and less efficient at removing alcohol

late stage alcoholics can get slobbering drunk from 1 or 2 drinks..

but that's real life and this


IS JUST A MOVIE

and an OLD movie at that

how many young hopeful Jimmy Stewarts are running around looking for their wonderful life???

it was a pretty good movie...


but I watch it for Piper Laurie the hottest old lady I know of LOL

the one or two pool shots are just decoration
 
put this pic on E-harmony and see how many hits you get LOL

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softshot said:
from my "limited" knowledge...

the more experienced drinker gets drunk faster... size is irrelevant..

liver function however is very relevant..

the more you drink and the more often you drink the liver becomes less and less efficient at removing alcohol
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Not to belabor the point, but in general, the less you weigh, the more you will be affected by a given amount of alcohol.

(From an internet site dealing with addiction and intoxication): Basically one's blood alcohol concentration is a function of the total amount of alcohol in one's system divided by total body water. So for two individuals with similar body compositions and different weights, the larger individual will achieve lower alcohol concentrations than the smaller one if ingesting the same amount of alcohol.

You are correct, though, that alcoholics with liver damage can metaboliza alcohol at a much higher rate than the average drinker.
 
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Some people can drink, some can't. I played in the North America Dart Champonships many years ago and the guys from Scotland and Wales would be drinking from 9AM until they were done and were amazing. If I drank like that, I would not have hit the board. Fats knew his limitations while Eddie did not.
 
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