I am testing a theory I have about getting and giving weight when gambling on pool.
The last time you were GIVEN some weight, did you win?
- Thread starter BillPorter
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morning bump
Last time I played the ghost he gave me the breaks. I insisted we should alternate but he wouldn't............I never had weight, if I need it I don't play.............
Eric.
Eric.
A buddy of mine comes in and we start shooting. After he warms up he say what weight do I need to win. Now this is something he always does, so I say I want SPAN. So after I beat him 4 games in a row he wants to change the spot.
I love the guy, but he just loves stroking his own ego. Mind you, he is atleast3-4 balls faster than me.
Pete
I love the guy, but he just loves stroking his own ego. Mind you, he is atleast3-4 balls faster than me.
Pete
bill,
good poll, i cant remember the last time, but I can remember that everytime I got weight I won more often than I lost, I usually played even in action.
I have a friend who is a C--- Player, he can run 5 balls once or twice a night, and come with a shot now and then I give him the 5 ball, we dont gamble-I never gamble with friends, but we play seriously and I beat him easily, I dont know If I could give him the 5-8, he breaks as bad as I do so the 5 and the break wouldnt make a difference, i'll try giving him 2 $$$ balls, I cant give him the last 4 or 5 , i'm not running out good enough, but my experience with big spots like this it ususlly favors the stronger player, perhaps 2/3 times.
good poll, i cant remember the last time, but I can remember that everytime I got weight I won more often than I lost, I usually played even in action.
I have a friend who is a C--- Player, he can run 5 balls once or twice a night, and come with a shot now and then I give him the 5 ball, we dont gamble-I never gamble with friends, but we play seriously and I beat him easily, I dont know If I could give him the 5-8, he breaks as bad as I do so the 5 and the break wouldnt make a difference, i'll try giving him 2 $$$ balls, I cant give him the last 4 or 5 , i'm not running out good enough, but my experience with big spots like this it ususlly favors the stronger player, perhaps 2/3 times.
BillPorter said:
BP,
I believe that your theory is very sound. I think, however, that these polls are not the way to prove it........it is my experience that it is difficult to get a gambler/poolplayer to admit that they EVER lost a match. I personally completely repress any memories of defeat, and embellish all victories. It's the way it is.
BillPorter said:
Ordinarily I would say that you always have to bet on the better player if the weight is reasonable (meaning the guy giving the weight - of course, if the better player is the one getting weight ... err ... well ... bet on him!). I think this is even more true the higher the skill level of the players involved (or, at the very least, the skill-level of the better of the two players in the match). On the opposite side of the spectrum, I see a lot of weaker players get beat trying to give weight to players weaker than themselves and I'm convinced that, if you can't run out, you have no business giving up weight - at least not playing 9-ball. If you don't really run out that often, and you do happen to get in a 9-ball game where you're giving up weight, you'd be better off giving up games on the wire as opposed to giving up money balls.
I'm sure I broke some rule by giving the suckers a clue ... oh well.
Williebetmore said:
I think you're on the money, WBM! The times that I've won getting weight its usually that I managed to outrun the nuts, and most times that wasn't the case. I was playing against runout players with well-developed game-making skills, and they knew how to give their man what he wanted, but never what he needed!
I knew that I was paying to learn, and I did (for a while).When you get weight from A players and above, it is usually not as good as it seems. Among players that don't run out regularly, however, a ball or two can end up weighing a ton!
On the matter of the poll, I suggest that it be adjusted for purposes of statistical accuracy by increasing the "lost" answers by at least 60%. You'll note WBM, that I am listed as having WON in the poll. That answer is not to be tampered with in any fashion. I did win, that's my story and I'm sticking to it!
BillPorter said:
That's a great idea. When it comes to gambling, I only recall losing once giving up weight.
While the poll doesn't seem to reflect it, my experience is the person getting the weight is at a disadvantage because the weight given up is not usually enough but to make up for but the smallest of skill margins. For example, an A player playing a B player giving while up the 7 doesn't seem to cover the gap.
Chris
As a retired psychology professor, I have to agree with your comments. While we surely can't take the poll results as an accurate assessment of the actual won/loss percentages, it seems to me that we may well see a much larger percentage of remembered wins in the poll asking about the last time you GAVE UP weight. Also, I think people getting weight will recall breaking even more often than those giving weight. Heck, I just stuck the polls on here to give people something to do.Williebetmore said:
It's the same with poolplayers and pokerplayers. They never lose money, they break even or win. All of us
However, I lost last time I got weight. Got 9-6 in one-pocket for about 75 $ against Niels Feijen last weekend. Didn't have a chance at all...
However, I lost last time I got weight. Got 9-6 in one-pocket for about 75 $ against Niels Feijen last weekend. Didn't have a chance at all...
Well, at least you can say you lost to a world beater!Roy Steffensen said:It's the same with poolplayers and pokerplayers. They never lose money, they break even or win. All of us
However, I lost last time I got weight. Got 9-6 in one-pocket for about 75 $ against Niels Feijen last weekend. Didn't have a chance at all...
Last winter I got the call 8 from Jeff Beckley and ended up losing 2 sets. Last time I gave up weight was about 6 months before that. I gave up the 8 and started off winning the first 2 sets. After about 8 sets at 200 a pop we were even. Being close to 50 and playing a guy about 30 years younger, I think he wore me out.
Just looking for a few more votes.
Evening bump.