THE Magic Rack

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Some on here had said the Magic Rack is a better template than the Outsville template. Does Magic Rack have a website? I searched for Magic Rack and thought I found it but the ad said Magic Ball Rack - NOT Magic Rack.

I want to be sure and buy the right one. Can someone point me in the right direction.

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I am not a good enough breaker to comment on subtleties between these racks though I prefer outsville. I got the matchroom branded magic racks so I know I have the real thing. I bet it is easy to have a knockoff.

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That also says Magic Ball Rack. NOT Magic Rack.
It's the original.

The inventor of this rack used to be a member here. Roy from Hong Kong.
I met him in HK when these were prototypes and were just about to hit the market.
I used to resell these locally; they were always named Magic Ball Rack.
 

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It's the original.

The inventor of this rack used to be a member here. Roy from Hong Kong.
I met him in HK when these were prototypes and were just about to hit the market.
I used to resell these locally; they were always named Magic Ball Rack.
Just saw Roy a couple of weeks ago at SBE. Good guy.
 
I bought the MAGIC BALL RACK PRO ALL IN ONE 8-9-10 - SINGLE:

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but it couldn't rack a brand new, unplayed set of Aramith Tournaments: the middle ball in the back row was always loose, so I wouldn't recommend that one. Seyberts sells all the Magic Racks.

I like the TURTLE RACK ULTIMATE - 8, 9 & 10 BALL:

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"Magic Ball Rack" is the original one, designed in Japan, that started the whole craze. It's way better than the Outsville, IMO. Everyone calls it "magic rack", but its "Magic Ball Rack".

Also, consider the new Taom Max Rack. I just got it a month ago as a gift, and I think it might be even better than the Magic Ball Rack.
https://taombilliards.com/product/taom-maxrack/ I think its also on Amazon.
 
That also says Magic Ball Rack. NOT Magic Rack.
That's the correct one. A word of warning, the magic rack is the original but it has issues. The material is thick enough that it will cause roll offs if you don't take it off after the break. It is also thick enough that the balls are not simply frozen, but "pre-loaded" against each other. This will make them explosively break, more so than a perfectly frozen rack with a normal triangle. You can break way softer with a magic rack for this reason. They are fine and a good rack, but the ball action is not realistic.

The outsville is thin enough to not cause roll offs or "pre-load." It acts like a perfectly frozen rack like you would get from a triangle. You do have to learn to use it correctly, it takes a small amount of user skill so it's not as "drop the balls in" as the magic rack is.

There are other racks. Forget the cheap thin knock offs, they are total shit. You can get like 10 of them for $12 but they are super thin and poor quality and will not rack as well, and also wear out faster. I have original magic racks from somewhere around the early 2000s. It's still perfectly usable.

Turtle racks are good, but somewhat thick so some of the same problems may apply. The thicker the racking material, the more tendency to cause roll offs and the "pre-load" issue. The "pre-load" isn't a horrible thing, but just realize it breaks way easier and way more explosively than a normally racked rack. If you're in a tournament and playing rack your own with a triangle don't expect the same break as you get on a magic rack, even when perfectly frozen. This is why I like the outsville as it's the most similar to a perfectly frozen triangle rack.
 
I also would not recommend the full 15b templates.

The 9/10 b templates are the way to go and one does need to learn how to use em.
 
That's the correct one. A word of warning, the magic rack is the original but it has issues. The material is thick enough that it will cause roll offs if you don't take it off after the break. It is also thick enough that the balls are not simply frozen, but "pre-loaded" against each other. This will make them explosively break, more so than a perfectly frozen rack with a normal triangle. You can break way softer with a magic rack for this reason. They are fine and a good rack, but the ball action is not realistic.

The outsville is thin enough to not cause roll offs or "pre-load." It acts like a perfectly frozen rack like you would get from a triangle. You do have to learn to use it correctly, it takes a small amount of user skill so it's not as "drop the balls in" as the magic rack is.

There are other racks. Forget the cheap thin knock offs, they are total shit. You can get like 10 of them for $12 but they are super thin and poor quality and will not rack as well, and also wear out faster. I have original magic racks from somewhere around the early 2000s. It's still perfectly usable.

Turtle racks are good, but somewhat thick so some of the same problems may apply. The thicker the racking material, the more tendency to cause roll offs and the "pre-load" issue. The "pre-load" isn't a horrible thing, but just realize it breaks way easier and way more explosively than a normally racked rack. If you're in a tournament and playing rack your own with a triangle don't expect the same break as you get on a magic rack, even when perfectly frozen. This is why I like the outsville as it's the most similar to a perfectly frozen triangle rack.

pre-load? 'splain pleez
 
pre-load? 'splain pleez
The thickness of the rack causes the balls to not just be frozen, but actively pressing against each other. This isn't how a normal behaving rack should be. Frozen is frozen, pressing against each other with some additional force isn't correct. Pre-loaded will make a rack fly apart explosively with even a soft hit. A soft hit on a frozen rack doesn't unrealistically explode apart.
 
That's the correct one. A word of warning, the magic rack is the original but it has issues. The material is thick enough that it will cause roll offs if you don't take it off after the break. It is also thick enough that the balls are not simply frozen, but "pre-loaded" against each other. This will make them explosively break, more so than a perfectly frozen rack with a normal triangle. You can break way softer with a magic rack for this reason. They are fine and a good rack, but the ball action is not realistic.

The outsville is thin enough to not cause roll offs or "pre-load." It acts like a perfectly frozen rack like you would get from a triangle. You do have to learn to use it correctly, it takes a small amount of user skill so it's not as "drop the balls in" as the magic rack is.

There are other racks. Forget the cheap thin knock offs, they are total shit. You can get like 10 of them for $12 but they are super thin and poor quality and will not rack as well, and also wear out faster. I have original magic racks from somewhere around the early 2000s. It's still perfectly usable.

Turtle racks are good, but somewhat thick so some of the same problems may apply. The thicker the racking material, the more tendency to cause roll offs and the "pre-load" issue. The "pre-load" isn't a horrible thing, but just realize it breaks way easier and way more explosively than a normally racked rack. If you're in a tournament and playing rack your own with a triangle don't expect the same break as you get on a magic rack, even when perfectly frozen. This is why I like the outsville as it's the most similar to a perfectly frozen triangle rack.
Thank you for saving me the time.

The balls pop out of the plastic racks (including Magic Rack).
 
"Magic Ball Rack" is the original one, designed in Japan, that started the whole craze. It's way better than the Outsville, IMO. Everyone calls it "magic rack", but its "Magic Ball Rack".

Also, consider the new Taom Max Rack. I just got it a month ago as a gift, and I think it might be even better than the Magic Ball Rack.
https://taombilliards.com/product/taom-maxrack/ I think its also on Amazon.
I've been seeing ads for the new Taom rack (thanks targeted advertising...).
Any more detailed thoughts on it?
 
I've used the Magic (Ball) Rack, Turtle Rack and the Outsville Accu-rack. Speaking of their dedicated 9-ball racks, all 3 have their pluses and minuses. Between the MR and TR, I prefer the TR because it's easier to remove after the break since you can maneuver it around 2 balls. My experience also shows that the MR does "load" the balls against each other to some degree leading to better spreads. Both are about the same thickness and can cause roll-off. The Accu-rack is by far the best one for ball sets where there is some variance in the size of the balls, as will be the case with almost every set of house balls. The flexible material of the AR allows for easy removal after the break, but does seem to act as a slight drag resulting in smaller spreads. Also, the material wears down around the holes for the head ball and the balls behind the head ball after repeated use.

TLDR Accu-rack for well-worn ball sets, Turtle Rack for newer ball sets.
 
Frozen is frozen, pressing against each other with some additional force isn't correct.
I'm guessing that all the templates are cut in such a way that the balls lean against each other. If the plastic is thicker, maybe the balls lean harder against each other. If you think of a ramp, you can have a ramp with a small rise or a ramp with a steep rise. The steeper the rise of the ramp, the more the weight of the ball is leaning against the adjacent balls. Or, maybe it has to do with how far the holes are spaced, the closer the holes, then the more the balls are squeezed against each other?
 
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