The N.U.T.S.

PrinsNick said:
Timberly, I have to correct you. The UPA is far from being the "biggest tour." Seven events a year--of which two events on their schedule have been in existence long before the UPA was established--the Super Billiards Expo event at VF and the BCA Open--at 64 players per event or less is not exactly big. The UPA just happens to be the only men's pro association with a tour schedule right now. I'm not talking them down--if it weren't for them there would be no professional organization at all--but in the three years they have been around, we haven't exactly seen an impact brought about by their presence. They have just filled the vacuum that was left after the Camel Pro Series died and not really accomplished anything more than that. The UPA cannot "cut off other tours at the knees." They are not strong enough for that. Maybe in the future, but not right now...
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Timberly<----blabbering know nothing :D

Before you read the rest of this post and take it wrong, let me first say thank you for your input. Now, please read the following keeping in mind that I've got a shit eatin grin on my face as I type this.... I might sound angry, but that's not the case at all... it's just not easy to construe tones on a computer which is bad for me because I've got a really dry, smart ass sense of humor that people online tend to misunderstand.

My verbage, again is wrong. The meaning of what I said, in not so clear terms, is what you said... "The UPA just happes to be the only men's pro association with a tour schedule". I was referring to the calibur of player they "represent" and not so much the size of the UPA and their tour but I didn't do a good job of making my thoughts clear.

My comment about cutting other tours off at the knee's was a quote from someone else's post in reference to what's been stated in other posts. If the tour didn't agree to sanction the UPA then the UPA would schedule tourney's on the same date as the tour that didn't sanction them. Again, I know nothing except for what people tell me and some people here have said that this has happened to them.

I'm just going to sit back and keep my trap shut because I can't for the life of me verbalize what's in my thoughts the correct way. Not to mention, as I've already stated, I've been away from pool for a long time and I'm really not "in the know" about any of this. All I know is that I support what MJ and everyone else is doing to make this work. I've at least managed to get that point across and I'll leave it at that. :cool:

BTW Nick, I should be seeing you on the 30th... I'll buy you a beer but I ain't buying you that austrailian rum stuff! I'm only going to spectate but I might bring a friend along to play in the tourney that weekend....

T
 
landshark77 said:
Nick and Ceci....what about the women??? :confused:
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LS,

Since this is still very new and since the other tours who are currently part of NUTS do not have separate women's tours like ours, we are still trying to decide what to do. We will discuss this at Break Time in Salisbury and get some input from the ladies. As it stands right now, the Planet Pool ladies will not have to pay the $2 next weekend, but may be included somehow after that.

Nick
 
Timberly said:
Timberly<----blabbering know nothing :D

Before you read the rest of this post and take it wrong, let me first say thank you for your input. Now, please read the following keeping in mind that I've got a shit eatin grin on my face as I type this.... I might sound angry, but that's not the case at all... it's just not easy to construe tones on a computer which is bad for me because I've got a really dry, smart ass sense of humor that people online tend to misunderstand.

My verbage, again is wrong. The meaning of what I said, in not so clear terms, is what you said... "The UPA just happes to be the only men's pro association with a tour schedule". I was referring to the calibur of player they "represent" and not so much the size of the UPA and their tour but I didn't do a good job of making my thoughts clear.

My comment about cutting other tours off at the knee's was a quote from someone else's post in reference to what's been stated in other posts. If the tour didn't agree to sanction the UPA then the UPA would schedule tourney's on the same date as the tour that didn't sanction them. Again, I know nothing except for what people tell me and some people here have said that this has happened to them.

I'm just going to sit back and keep my trap shut because I can't for the life of me verbalize what's in my thoughts the correct way. Not to mention, as I've already stated, I've been away from pool for a long time and I'm really not "in the know" about any of this. All I know is that I support what MJ and everyone else is doing to make this work. I've at least managed to get that point across and I'll leave it at that. :cool:

BTW Nick, I should be seeing you on the 30th... I'll buy you a beer but I ain't buying you that austrailian rum stuff! I'm only going to spectate but I might bring a friend along to play in the tourney that weekend....

T
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Kimberly-With-A-T,

I wasn't rapping you over the knuckles at all. :p I know you are just getting back into the swing of the pool world, but I just wanted to point out to other people who are reading the posts that the UPA is not as powerful as you made them sound. I know you meant they are the "biggest" because they have all the biggest players, but in reality, the UPA has a long way to go to gain the respect of all the major players in the pool industry. I must hand it to them for hanging in there, though. I really believed they'd be history after the first year or so. I was so totally disgusted with their first event in Hampton, VA in 2003, but then again, I'm hyper-critical because of the way we run the Planet Pool Tour.

As for Hagerstown at the end of the month, I will not accept any excuse from you for not coming. I want my beer! I have a bottle of that Austrian rum that I could bring along if you're brave... ;) And I'd be able to knock Landshark off her feet with the smell again...

Now sit back and shut your trap! :eek: Just kidding! :D
 
PrinsNick said:
LS,

Since this is still very new and since the other tours who are currently part of NUTS do not have separate women's tours like ours, we are still trying to decide what to do. We will discuss this at Break Time in Salisbury and get some input from the ladies. As it stands right now, the Planet Pool ladies will not have to pay the $2 next weekend, but may be included somehow after that.

Nick
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Let me tell you how it's goina be. Any lady who wants to be eligible for nuts benefits will need to pay entry and the$2 and get in the open event as opposed to the ladie's event.nuts :D
 
Black-Balled said:
Let me tell you how it's goina be. Any lady who wants to be eligible for nuts benefits will need to pay entry and the$2 and get in the open event as opposed to the ladie's event.nuts :D
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And that is fine, BUT people can not bypass the WPBA. Pro women play on these regional tours. As someone pointed out to me most of the regionals do not have a separate woman’s division, so I say playing in PP's open event is fair, but what if one of the ones that q'ed is a WPBA touring pro. The WPBA needs to be in on this from the beginning. If not, I see another playing ban… as well as the loss of some great players on the regional tours. Both the ladies and the regional tours will suffer. I maybe making a bigger fuss than need be, but the situation needs to be addressed, IMO.
 
Gremlin said:
N.U.T.S. is a pipe dream. No one I have met in pool has the cash to pay for the N.U.T.S. overhead. Ha Ha Ha What a joke! :)

"Gremlin"
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Way to think positive and hope for the best.... thank goodness not everyone is as negative thinking as you are.
 
Timberly said:
Way to think positive and hope for the best.... thank goodness not everyone is as negative thinking as you are.
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pssst!

[WHISPERS] Becareful what you say to Gremlin...you could be the #10 on his "ignorant" list. :eek: [/WHISPERS]

:D :D :D :D :D
 
Gremlin said:
Hello,

From an administrative stand point N.U.T.S. is a nightmare. How the hell do any of you expect cash starved pool tours to pay for the administrative costs of such an operation? Are you going to ask for favors? Pool tours have been running on hand outs while the added money keeps dropping because the promoters take more and more for themselves. :cool:

One thing for sure if you can’t get the scores for the matches how do you think any of these so called pool promoters are going to keep track of official records. N.U.T.S. is a pipe dream. No one I have met in pool has the cash to pay for the N.U.T.S. overhead. Ha Ha Ha What a joke! :)

"Gremlin"
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Not really. You must remember, the NUTS is not a pool tour in and of itself trying to put together a non-existing 300 tournaments per year. We are asking our players an extra $2 per tournament, for which they get a chance to be part of something much bigger (all members of NUTS member tours will also get additional benefits such as hotel discounts, etc). 300 x 2 x 50 (avg entries per event) + sponsorships will cover the regional and national qualifier events and the paid spots into televised events.

Also, we don't need scores from the matches, just the names of the 8 qualifiers per local event. As for the rest, don't you worry about it. There are actually people in the pool world who know what they are doing... :cool:
 
All I can say is, I really hope this works out because I, like many others in this forum, am a pool player. This may not be the cure all for pool but it's definitely heading us in the right direction. To all the people that sit around and criticize this idea, go start your own tour or orginization and run it the way you want. And Gremlin, you really are an asshole. You sit around and talk shit about ideas of others and then you wonder why you get slammed? Get your head out of your ass and wake up. You take pictures, right? Well, picture this; You wake up one day and there's no W.P.B.A. because years ago some idiot like you said, "The W.P.B.A. is a pipe dream, it won't work, there's no money, the women can't play." Then what would you be doing with that camera of yours? LOL, don't answer that one. Good luck to you Mike Janis, this is a great idea you have and all players should be appreciating your efforts. Peace, John.
 
Gremlin said:
Hello,

From an administrative stand point N.U.T.S. is a nightmare. How the hell do any of you expect cash starved pool tours to pay for the administrative costs of such an operation? Are you going to ask for favors? Pool tours have been running on hand outs while the added money keeps dropping because the promoters take more and more for themselves. :cool:

One thing for sure if you can’t get the scores for the matches how do you think any of these so called pool promoters are going to keep track of official records. N.U.T.S. is a pipe dream. No one I have met in pool has the cash to pay for the N.U.T.S. overhead. Ha Ha Ha What a joke! :)

"Gremlin"
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You're saying that pool players do not have an extra $2.00 in their pockets when they sigh up for a $50 entry fee tour event ?

When did you have time, and where did you get the information, to perform the due dilligence necessary to make a statement like "No one I have met in pool has the cash to pay for the N.U.T.S. overhead" ? Or are you just speculating ?

Dave
 
Rude Dog said:
.... And Gremlin, you really are an asshole. ...
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Just thought this might bear repeating ... I know I wanted to read this truth again !

Dave
 
Gremlin said:
PrinsNick,
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...are the only promotion people I have met in pool I would trust with my money....

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It's $2. It's not your life's savings.

I would gladly pay an additional $2 in a $50 tournament to have the chance for myself or even fellow competitors to play at the next level. Especially if it means having more local tourneys. AND I will gladly pay the extra $2 to give someone who is trying to do something positive for pool a chance to succeed. That's one bottle of water at Teacherman's place. If Mike thinks he can pull it off, I say let him give it the old college try.

Cheers,
Regas
 
Gremlin said:
PrinsNick,

Andy Lincoln, Charlie Williams, Allen Hopkins, Eve, Trish and Holly (THE THREE CATS) John DiToro an TK are the only promotion people I have met in pool I would trust with my money. You use the word we an awful lot, we, who the hell is we?

The Televised events? Who is going to take there valuable time to watch televised evnts of people other than the best players? Maybe if it was a member of my family or a close friend. N.U.T.S. came from landsharks77 own
version of reality! :D N.U.T.S. has no relation to reality.

I am a WPBA & UPA fan. I am against any BS that effects the WPBA Regional tour system in anyway. I am interested in world pool because pool is a world game. All N.U.T.S. is, pool according to MJ. I am not buying into it.
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Gremlin,

Funny you should mention that Andy Lincoln is one of the few people you would trust with your money because Andy doesn't actually handle the Planet Pool money--I do. Andy Lincoln, Ceci Strain (nineballcc on here) and myself are a team, so if you praise Andy, then in effect you are praising all three of us.

As for "we," I was referring to the folks involved in the NUTS endeavor, i.e. the tour operators who are part of the NUTS (that includes Andy Lincoln, BTW).

All due respect, I think you are grossly misinformed. The WPBA does not have a "regional tour system," and neither does the UPA. The WPBA only sanctions qualifier events, of which our tour will be hosting some. And in case you don't know, the THREE CATS are no longer in the tour operator business, so I guess it is all up to Andy Lincoln and TK. ;)
 
Grem
THeres a lot for a fan. I mean how many people are there that are pool
fans that dont play. Not many. Thats who this is targeting --the players.

If it is able to get off the ground for a couple years the players (fans) benefit
due to the discounts and more local and regional events. The top players
are all going to have to compete in the various levels so more people will have a chance to view them. I dont think that the top players will be able to
ignore 12 events within a structure that shows promise. Now theres an
organization that does nothing but undercut the mini events.

Pool is comprised of many average or bad players. Not Pros. As soon as the Pros realize this fact they will be better off. With this they will have a schedule and can schedule exhibitions and challenge matches at various
rooms near or in the sites. They need to give a little to get the pool
public interested in them. After all not many people really know that much about the players.
Charlie Bryant is connecting via the APA in Houston and really has built a
nice fan base. He is well liked and due to the recent exposure in BD more people will follow.
Too many people in the past have been like you are now and are asking what is in it right now. You said it yourself that the minis are fading. That is correct so why not take a chance on a new choice that could increase
their attendence. If nothing else the organizational 2 bucks gets Hotel
discounts and other exposure for the players.

I do remember when the Ladies tour started as I had a friend on it and followed it. I went to several events and for a while heard all the talk of it not making it. They struggled and then came a sponsor or two. Then they
started getting on ESPN. Then fans became fans. They saw the long road and now have a fairly well organized system. Is the product that great?
You will have to answer that yourself but I think the end result of the players
being more accessable and personable makes the tour a product.

You have a very open mind about the ladys tour why not this one. Why not think of some problems you see and ask about them so the powers that be
might be able to eliminate them.
If this is a success then pool as a whole will benefit. Thats the womens tour all the way to the pool media.




Gremlin said:
Dave,

Just what I said N.U.T.S. is a player oriented idea that has nothing for a fan or a spectator who doesn't play on one of the tours. Who is going to watch it
on TV? When I have a choice to play pool or go to a baseball game I go to baseball. I am a season ticket holder now.

For you I will repeat it one more time if you can't keep the scores in pool how the hell are you going to keep track of ten or fifteen thousand names in N.U.T.S. If it works out I will be very surprised. Oh, who are you to ask? :p

Read this nothing there for a fan? Fans aren't mentioned. Just another promoter Idea.

(As proof of the concept, Janis said that each participating regional tour will send their top eight players to an event soon to be scheduled in or around September of this year. The overall winner of the September event will win lodging and a 5000 entry into Allen Hopkins Skin Game which will be televised just as it was last year.)

(Janis also indicated that he already has interest from companies outside of the billiards industry and named The ACCOR Hotel Systems as already signing on with a promotional discount to all pool players that stay at their Red Roof Inn Hotels and a commision on those rooms that will be routed back into the N.U.T.S. system.)

"Gremlin"
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