The Positive Side of Aiming Systems

Colin,

Got no clue what you're talking about...if I didn't know what Ron system was about. The diagram and video from cleary would give me a pretty good start and it seem it has given some Azers a taste of this aiming system.

You guys are the one that's throwing rubbish information on there with pivot point been exactly the same no matter what techniques you used....geometric theory BS. that I don't think help anyone better understand what the Ron's aiming system is all about. Pivot Point was defined by PJ as an exact point of contact of the cue and bridge, you guys already prove that wasn't the case...and you telling me he's correct? Tell me does BH movement vs Ron's body movement changes the contact pivot point? You guys haven't even answer this question...and you saying you're correct. The bridge hand does not move (fixed in the same position)...as stated by Ron. It means you don't have to take you hand up and place it down elsewhere to compensate to make the shot. It was not meant to be motionless as you think in your world of theory. You are wrong about a fixed bridge having the exact same pivot contact point, you're wrong about BH and Hip Pivot sharing that same contact pivot point because you believe that a fix bridge will have a fix contact pivot.

You guys just wanted to argue about technical explaination...should have done it else where...it was a nice thread meant to show people how Ron's technique works....then you have someone who doesn't even know what Ron's system is about...come on and say..."What exactly did they put out?" that the rubbish that should not have been left without comment.

I think PJ does sound like he's really into learning all these aiming systems but maybe it best if he can at least let the instructor finish before commenting. I have alway agreed that all systems are not perfect and that it needs to account for real condition but in that last thread...somehow it sounded like PJ was trying to prove the system was perfect.

It's nice to have all these technical knowledge but knowledge is useless to you if you can't apply it in a real game:).

PS.. I did leave positive comments about aiming system in my post:)

Regards,
Duc.


Colin Colenso said:
You couldn't leave Joey A's thread free to be about positive aspects.

I find it hard also to let your rubbish be left without comment.

Anyone who followed that entire thread, who had the brains to follow it, knows that:

1. The original video and its claim of bridge pivot point were erroneous.
2. The animation, attempting to explain how the pivot point could shift was erroneous.
3. The claim that a further back pivot could be made without any bridge movement was proved erroneous.

So all the 'rotten' interlopers (PJ and I and a couple of others) were proved correct, and the wannabe system learners shrieked with complaints.

State one thing that I or PJ were wrong about and you get a reply. Else, put your head back in the sand.

Colin
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I tend to think like the engineer that I am. The ghost ball system seemed to work fine for me to get line of sight and contact points and is logical from a geometry standpoint, but when you throw in some English and throw effects due to friction, etc. it is not perfect.

When I can be shown why a system works, not just be told to "do it this way and it works", I am then a student of the game, not simply a shotmaker. When I learned the clock system for kicking, it was straigtforward and calculative, but you must still compensate for speed, friction between the balls, speed of the cloth, cushions, etc.

That is why I love this game, if you have a shot, the only excuse for missing is lack of execution. By execution I mean understanding of the shot to be made and lack of experience and ability to execute the shot once you do come to understand how to make it. There are an infinite number of variables, but you are in total control. I have attempted to learn other systems or system elements to no avail, but that may mean that I am still not ready as a student.

"When the student is ready, the teacher appears."
 
The ghost ball system seemed to work fine for me to get line of sight and contact points and is logical from a geometry standpoint, but when you throw in some English and throw effects due to friction, etc. it is not perfect.
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This is true of any system or method of aiming. The fact that these things have to be adjusted for isn't a drawback of systems, it's a drawback of aiming.

pj
chgo
 
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Bob Jewett red-repped me for this. My very first since I first joined this site in 2006 - calling it destructive and offensive. What's funny is PJ didn't even red-rep me for this. PJ and I have had it out many times and he and I disagree vehemently regarding aiming, but he and I have never red-repped each other even though my veins were popping out of my forehead (maybe out of respect, I dunno). Actually, I green-repped PJ for a post not long ago.

I've seen some really nasty posts, flame wars, digs, cuts, insults, etc, on AZ before. Did I cross the line with this? If so, let me know everyone and I'll IMMEDIATELY remove it. Sometimes my perception is skewed.

PJ, if you think it crossed the line, PM me and I'll take it down - no need to send in the Jewettmeister.
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
PJ, if you think it crossed the line, PM me and I'll take it down - no need to send in the Jewettmeister.
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You want me to show you the courtesy of telling you privately what I think of the childish emotional outbursts you direct publicly at me? In the same public post in which you accuse me of "sending in Jewett" (and re-post the offending pic)?

Grow up. You're transparent.

pj
chgo
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
Bob Jewett red-repped me for this. ..
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Actually the red rep was for a lot of posts of yours which I have found arrogant, obnoxious, insulting, poorly informed and destructive. The particular post I attached it to was just the straw.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
You want me to show you the courtesy of telling you privately what I think of the childish emotional outbursts you direct publicly at me? In the same public post in which you accuse me of "sending in Jewett" (and re-post the offending pic)?

Grow up. You're transparent.

pj
chgo
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I just proved my point, thanks.

P.S. I'll remove it before you tag-team your buddy back in.
 
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Bob Jewett said:
Actually the red rep was for a lot of posts of yours which I have found arrogant, obnoxious, insulting, poorly informed and destructive. The particular post I attached it to was just the straw.
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Would love to know which post was poorly informed - or the ones that are arrogant/obnoxious. I wonder if a PJ post preceded it???

I know you two are peas in a pod, it's cool. Try to be balanced.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
... - no need to send in the Jewettmeister.
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For the record, I have had no private contact with Pat Johnson in quite a while and he certainly didn't "send me in." You owe both Pat and me an apology for your insulting post.
 
I didn't expect this thread to be completely without incident but some of you on both sides of the fence have seriously disappointed me.

It amazes me that grown men can't contain their resentment toward each other, if only for a single thread.

It amazes me equally as much that grown men can't simply ignore or keep their mouths shut when they are being criticized justly or unjustly, if only for a single thread.

I'm no goody-two-shoes and I've done my share of embarassing posts but it really amazes me that men can't act like men if only for a short while.

Thanks to those who attempted to keep this thread on the positive side.

JoeyA :frown: :o :frown:
 
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