The real reason men are better at pool than women

There are not one but many reasons that women don't currently dominate the top ranks.
However, not one of those reasons is that they simply cant.

As our culture changes, clearly more women are playing at all, and more are achieving higher levels of play than any time in pool history, so, I believe its only a matter of time..

That being said, Karen and Kelly for example, can smoke the VAST majority of all men players, and would give any top tier player, a very strong run for the money. The gap is closing.
 
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There are not one but many reasons that women don't currently dominate the top ranks.
However, not one of those reasons is that they simply cant.

As our culture changes, clearly more women are playing at all, and more are achieving higher levels of play than any time in pool history, so, I believe its only a matter of time..

That being said, Karen and Kelly for example, can smoke the VAST majority of all men players, and would give any top tier player, a very strong run for the money. The gap is closing.


In the past, a few women have competed at Derby City Classic. First, those that competed have my respect, but there is always very very few. And those that have competed havent done much.

If you think Karen or Kelly are serious contenders for winning ANY event at DCC, bring a few dollars and you can leave a millionaire. :rolleyes:

You can kid yourself, but dont expect anyone to buy into it.

Ken
 
If not that many participate, then clearly the stats cannot accurately represent the entire talent pool.

How many personal friends of yours would you back against Karen?

Maybe we can set something up
 
This discussion constantly reappears with the same cast of characters talking about how awesome men are and how crappy women are at pool. Whatever makes you guys feel better about yourselves, I suppose.
 
You have to look at why there are so few female players in the first place, and why the recrutiment amonst women is so low. It has to do with the atmosphere (or lack thereof...)
Pool is male dominated and the males that dominate pool are not really inclusive or openminded.


Always the male's fault. :thumbup:

In "League of Legends", there are quite a lot of womens playing, a greater % than pool players, they can hide their gender because they don't have to talk, and yet they can't reach the top.

The only known females with a good ranking are transgender (males).
 
Physical strength has nothing to do with it. If it did bodybuilders would be making all the balls on the break.

Men work hard on their game to improve relationships with people. That's what drives them, it's not the money. If they work ridiculously hard they have a chance to be liked, respected, admired and maybe even desired by the opposite sex.

Women don't need to work hard to be liked, respected, admired and desired- all they have to do is walk in the room.

Tell me I'm wrong

Your wrong.
A lot of bodybuilders are not all that strong. ;)
 

You're wrong.

"Men work hard on their game to improve relationships with people."

I work hard on my game to try to improve so that I feel good about myself. I don't give a flying fig about relationships with people. The only reason I hang out with my pool team at all is because that's how I get to play pool. If there was a individual pool league around instead of a team one, that's what I'd be doing.

"If they work ridiculously hard they have a chance to be liked, respected, admired
and maybe even desired by the opposite sex."

If that's what drives you, that's what drives you. Whether you're a man or a woman - your sex makes no difference in that case.

"Women don't need to work hard to be liked, respected, admired and desired- all they have to do is walk in the room."

Do you really believe this? If so, I feel sorry for you. And I'll let some woman that wants to take this one and eviscerate you for your uninformed and mind-bogglingly fanciful statement.
 
Strength is a non issue in Cue sports. Don't believe me? How many World Champion female snooker players have there been? I would suspect (as been mentioned here) its a numbers game. Men still out number woman in this game by at least 10 -1.
 
Lol man if I got a game on the wire every time a keyboard warrior personally attacked me I'd be champion.

1. Physical has little to do with anything. Because chess ( elite male grandmaster chess players destroy elite women it's not even close )
2. My theory is right because majority of top female players are gay.

LMFAO!!!
Did you call Freddie a keyboard warrior? Man, talk about not knowing your audience :thumbup:
 
You have to look at why there are so few female players in the first place, and why the recrutiment amonst women is so low. It has to do with the atmosphere (or lack thereof...)
Pool is male dominated and the males that dominate pool are not really inclusive or openminded.


My ex-daughter in law plays professional poker, and there are a lot of cultural similarities with pool. Here are some comments she made a while back on the experience of being a female playing poker:


Sexism in action: A decidedly un-fun experience
So, finally, the meat of the issue: Does the manner in which women are treated in poker rooms make them feel uncomfortable or unwelcome? Here, I feel a twinge of anxiety, because I have to acknowledge that — other than the important observation that only 5 percent of poker players are female — I don’t have a trove of data to support my belief that it does. There are no exit polls in casinos. What I do have is my own experience, and the reported experiences of many other female pros I know. And while there is some vanishingly small chance we are all outliers, extreme misogyny-magnets, the degree of correlation between our experiences gives me a high level of confidence that our experiences are well within the bounds of normalcy.

I came to poker at the tail end of more than a decade of surviving, and frankly thriving, in male-dominated fields. I graduated summa cum laude with a degree in biochemistry and a minor in math. I ran a daily newspaper with a nearly all-male editorial staff. I went on to law school, where I headed the technology law journal. Until I left for poker, I worked at a law firm where approximately 90 percent of the attorneys were men. What I’m trying very hard, maybe obnoxiously hard, to signal is that I’m not a delicate naif who has been coddled from birth by the sisterhood. I can take a joke. I can take a compliment. But the amount of bullshit I contend with while playing poker — the incessance, the variety, the sheer volume of it — is totally exhausting.

These days, I primarily play relatively high-stakes cash (5/10 and higher), where there’s less small talk and fewer stone-cold idiots. Despite that, in an average session I probably receive at least 10 comments, ranging from innocuous to outrageous, that call attention to my gender. With experience, I’ve figured out ways to respond effectively to most categories of comments from most categories of men, in much the same way a seasoned player can respond almost intuitively to particular actions by certain types of opponents, but the routine never ceases to be taxing. On good days, it exerts a slow drain on my mental resources. On bad ones, I still have to pick up to keep myself from tilting from frustration and fatigue. If I were not a serious competitor playing to make money, but instead an amateur playing to have some fun, I would not be back; the experience is emphatically not fun.

And the problem is almost indescribably more severe as you move down in stakes. In a recent session, I sat in a 2/5 game for about an hour while waiting for a seat, and the campaign of minor indignities was tilting enough that I eventually opted to hover in the high-limit area instead of playing. One man peppered me with questions like “what does a woman like you do when not playing poker?” and grabbed my arm repeatedly to get my attention, despite my swift recoil. Another nicknamed me “sweetheart” and stared me down, grinning, in every pot, chuckling as he announced he was “scared.” Another tried to cajole me into promising I would “beat them up” when I was called for “the big boy’s game” (and later teetered over to 5/10, beer in hand, to press his sweaty palm into mine for no apparent reason — twice).

Believe us: Sexism is a real problem
I have heard some male pros — I make no claim about their representativeness — take the position that this kind of behavior is innocuous, on the theory that it’s flattering or benign or exploitable. It can be all of those things in certain contexts. But by and large, it is instead irritating or unnerving or embarrassing. And it sends women a consistent signal that they are alien objects of curiosity rather than people who belong at a poker table. If the poker community wants more women to join the game — in other words, if it wants droves of inexperienced players with pristine bankrolls to sit down at the table — the first step is to listen to current female players when they say the environment in most card rooms is a problem. If we diehard enthusiasts are exasperated, try to imagine how women ambivalent about poker likely feel. Your livelihood depends on it.

Cate Hall

Cate Hall is a professional poker player based in Washington DC. Follow her on Twitter: @catehall.
 
My ex-daughter in law plays professional poker, and there are a lot of cultural similarities with pool. Here are some comments she made a while back on the experience of being a female playing poker:


Sexism in action: A decidedly un-fun experience
So, finally, the meat of the issue: Does the manner in which women are treated in poker rooms make them feel uncomfortable or unwelcome? Here, I feel a twinge of anxiety, because I have to acknowledge that — other than the important observation that only 5 percent of poker players are female — I don’t have a trove of data to support my belief that it does. There are no exit polls in casinos. What I do have is my own experience, and the reported experiences of many other female pros I know. And while there is some vanishingly small chance we are all outliers, extreme misogyny-magnets, the degree of correlation between our experiences gives me a high level of confidence that our experiences are well within the bounds of normalcy.

I came to poker at the tail end of more than a decade of surviving, and frankly thriving, in male-dominated fields. I graduated summa cum laude with a degree in biochemistry and a minor in math. I ran a daily newspaper with a nearly all-male editorial staff. I went on to law school, where I headed the technology law journal. Until I left for poker, I worked at a law firm where approximately 90 percent of the attorneys were men. What I’m trying very hard, maybe obnoxiously hard, to signal is that I’m not a delicate naif who has been coddled from birth by the sisterhood. I can take a joke. I can take a compliment. But the amount of bullshit I contend with while playing poker — the incessance, the variety, the sheer volume of it — is totally exhausting.

These days, I primarily play relatively high-stakes cash (5/10 and higher), where there’s less small talk and fewer stone-cold idiots. Despite that, in an average session I probably receive at least 10 comments, ranging from innocuous to outrageous, that call attention to my gender. With experience, I’ve figured out ways to respond effectively to most categories of comments from most categories of men, in much the same way a seasoned player can respond almost intuitively to particular actions by certain types of opponents, but the routine never ceases to be taxing. On good days, it exerts a slow drain on my mental resources. On bad ones, I still have to pick up to keep myself from tilting from frustration and fatigue. If I were not a serious competitor playing to make money, but instead an amateur playing to have some fun, I would not be back; the experience is emphatically not fun.

And the problem is almost indescribably more severe as you move down in stakes. In a recent session, I sat in a 2/5 game for about an hour while waiting for a seat, and the campaign of minor indignities was tilting enough that I eventually opted to hover in the high-limit area instead of playing. One man peppered me with questions like “what does a woman like you do when not playing poker?” and grabbed my arm repeatedly to get my attention, despite my swift recoil. Another nicknamed me “sweetheart” and stared me down, grinning, in every pot, chuckling as he announced he was “scared.” Another tried to cajole me into promising I would “beat them up” when I was called for “the big boy’s game” (and later teetered over to 5/10, beer in hand, to press his sweaty palm into mine for no apparent reason — twice).

Believe us: Sexism is a real problem
I have heard some male pros — I make no claim about their representativeness — take the position that this kind of behavior is innocuous, on the theory that it’s flattering or benign or exploitable. It can be all of those things in certain contexts. But by and large, it is instead irritating or unnerving or embarrassing. And it sends women a consistent signal that they are alien objects of curiosity rather than people who belong at a poker table. If the poker community wants more women to join the game — in other words, if it wants droves of inexperienced players with pristine bankrolls to sit down at the table — the first step is to listen to current female players when they say the environment in most card rooms is a problem. If we diehard enthusiasts are exasperated, try to imagine how women ambivalent about poker likely feel. Your livelihood depends on it.

Cate Hall

Cate Hall is a professional poker player based in Washington DC. Follow her on Twitter: @catehall.

Female online poker players, League Of Legends or any other E-Sport can hide their gender. Therefore, they don't "suffer" from the male dominance and small-talk. Yet they can't compete.

In 2017 people will always find excuses. Make me think about African people, blaming Westerners to be the cause of their backwardness.

A friend of mine went to a nursery school to become a nurse. You can't imagine how annoying it was, the women dominance, the small talk and mockery (or curiosity if you prefer). Well, he finished the school with the best results and never blamed womens.
 
I think there is a nature and nurture difference between men and women that makes men more likely to obsess over a single skill/hobby. Pair that with more men choose to play. That puts many more men in the field of skilled players reaping the rewards of long hours of practice and competition. It’s so rare for a world-class player to emerge from that field, so it’s very likely to be a man.

And thankfully we have more time to practice when our wife cooks and does the laundry (I bring home 90% of the bacon). ... just kidding.

I find many women very boring to watch as there is definitely a lack of aggressive competitiveness. There are exceptions to both genders (we won't even go to the gender-confused side).
 
Female online poker players, League Of Legends or any other E-Sport can hide their gender. Therefore, they don't "suffer" from the male dominance and small-talk. Yet they can't compete. [...]

I was responding not to whether women can compete with men;but rather to whether the low (5-10%) participation rate of women in pool and in poker might stem from environmental/cultural issues that can in principle be addressed and changed. Both pool and poker enthusiasts want the activities to grow, want more players and more money in the activity. If there are nonessential factors with a net effect of discouraging half the population from participating, that's worth thinking about.

In 2017 people will always find excuses. Make me think about African people, blaming Westerners to be the cause of their backwardness.

A friend of mine went to a nursery school to become a nurse. You can't imagine how annoying it was, the women dominance, the small talk and mockery (or curiosity if you prefer). Well, he finished the school with the best results and never blamed womens.

There are legitimate reasons to think about and talk about these things besides making excuses.
 
It has to do with our biological engineering. Men have always been the hunter. Hunting requires complete focus for the task. If they get distracted, no meat in the fire. While the men were hunting, the women were managing the camp. This requires multi-tasking, watching the kids, cooking the meat, cleaning the camp etc. While the men are focusing on that one crucial shot, the women are focusing on the shot plus their environment. It is just the way our brains are wired.

Just a side note on this.. This probably applies to most of our animal ancestors, as well. Many human behavioral characteristics are shared by many, many other mammals.

Funny observation: Almost all male animals have some form of "display" to attract the attention of the fairer sex.......

And now... You know why young human males like making their cars as loud as possible, with stereos and glasspacks.. :grin-square:

Short Bus Russ
 
I have played APA for about 10 years. Once I met a friend of mine and his golfing buddies for beers after they had played. Talked about handicapping in golf and I mentioned the APA handicapping system and one great thing about pool is that it doesn't matter if you are a man or a woman, old or young, tall or short, slow or fast... you can still compete. They laughed when I told them I had lost to a woman. I said they were welcome to come down to the club sometime and play her, but they declined. Then I told them I had played an 82 year old guy once and a guy in a wheelchair another time...
 
Matt is right. Women are simply smarter. They know that the payoff in billiards is so piss poor that they self select out of that field more quickly than the dumb men. It's a matter of stats. Why does China produce so many elite athletes? Because they have a billion to choose from. Look at the inroads women are making in the corporate executive space. That is an area where the payoff is excellent (at least financially), and no one today would argue that a competent female executive can't compete heads up with a man. If you believe that, then you probably have never worked with a competent female executive.
 
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